Favorite Bad Guy Team

Which is your favorite bad guy team?

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i like team rocket because that cat was in it...

u know!!! the gay one!!
 
ive never heard of team aqua and magna

ur all sad for watchin it
 
Perfect. Maxman, apprehend those criminals. I'll send a report.

Demon boy, and Moonraker. We've reported you to the authorities. There will be NO bad language in this forum.
 
what do u mean bad language?

saddo is hardly a swear word
 
~_~; It is here. Gay is NOT to be used a slur word here.

I'll be now posting about you two in public.
 
stop now!

you guys need stop now do hear me?! :17: :17: :dead: :dead:
 
my fav bad guy team is Team magma...i'm all for the fire!
 
You can't beat a classic so Team Rocket it is. Besides, at least Giovanni is honest to himself about his own motives instead of trying to convince others, or himself, that he's doing a favour to the world, which is more than can be said for Archie or Maxie; 'Oh no, I'm not doing this for myself. If the land/sea is expanded there will be more room for people/pok?mon. Everyone will be happy' <_<

To believe unshakably that you are in possession of the complete and absolute truth is to have a religion, and small and unpopular religions (Like team Aqua/Magma) are, as I believe Kohei pointed out, referred to as cults.
 
I think moonmaker was refering to James. Even I really don't think James is (blank), he's just bizarre. He's had attractions to girls before but nothing in Hoenn.

Guess Hoenn women aren't that special. Shrugs. But that's not the point.

Alter Ego, you're certainly right about that about the Bosses, although should we factor in Giovanni's past into his motivations? Like his mother and the roles and obligations? Don't see any origin stuff for Magma/Aqua, special episodes or not. Although a CD Drama would be funny.

To go one step further about the organizations themselves, as I think, I see them as products of their times and deepen the personal impact/allegory. Team Rocket's theme/connection to money is more of a sign of Japan's economic dominance and becoming one of materialism (almost like America, winks) and the fact with the money with Japan's whaling, obviously feeds into the Rockets' mentality to hurt and exploit animals for profit (this is particularly observant in Pokemon Special).

On that note about the whalism, with the American liberal environmentalism plus Japan's remorse (the series is so littered with environmentistic messages) no doubt fed into Aqua/Magma in that of their playing the environment, making that the priority, although their respective final goal for more land smacks too much of Japan's overcrowding issue really. Although of the two, Magma's plan makes sense, I'm unsure about Aqua's with more water, do they plan to live underwater or evolving everyone into a fish hybrid? The organization should have scientists working on this (Heck, for Magma, they had Butler, a geneticist) or some allusion to.

Given the greed for a better life is more prevalent with most of humanity, I can see the Rockets' popularity (not to mention their diversity) being such a fan favorite for we're a stone's throw away of wearing a black uniform because of the search for money as that can lead to a better life. (Although with Magma/Aqua's fanatism, I suppose it can be timely with the Muslim Jihad/War of Terror we're engaged in but given Japan's blaiseness with that, and the more obvious issues of overcrowding and more fantasy fare, I really rather doubt that, but I did want to leave that out there).

Or course, it doesn't always work as seen with Jessie and James but that makes the human connection that more impactful than seeing a bunch of nameless fanatics kill everyone for the sake of a few's insane ambitions and...a weird detachment with that. Although that could be with the exception of Homura/Isabel, we don't see much of a human face on this.
 
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Team Aqua. Who wouldn't love a group of psychos trying to flood all of existence? :P
 
I like all five! Yes, I said five. I can't believe you've forgotten all about the two Teams in Orre in Pok?mon Colosseum and Pok?mon XD; Team Cipher and Team Snagem! Cipher happens to be just as evil as Rocket! Plus, they're the ones behind both Shadow Pok?mon incidents! Unlike Magma and Aqua, Cipher's plans were simple! World domination! Snagem's also devious in that they desire to steal Pok?mon from Trainers at will! Some people should also speak up about these two!
 
I have something to say to Demon Boy, moonraker, and LanceLite and Maxman. If you're going to argue about something, please argue somewhere else because what you're arguing about is offtopic.
 
In response to Sunflorazumarill, I do agree about including Cipher and Snagem but they weren't exactly the most memorable villains. Didn't Snagem collapse at the start of Colosseum?

And Cipher's simple plan of global domination seems just that--simple. We have the complexity of the Team Rocket stealing/profit/domination and the environmentism/cultism of Magma/Aqua. Cipher seems...too much of Silver Age comic threats. Given the creativity of the prior teams, this feels far too lazy.

All they do is just Pokemon evil and...what?

Anyone wants to prove me wrong on this, please.
 
Rayquaza1: There's no point in that since both Demon Boy and moonraker have been banned, as happens to flamers around here, and despite what his name might imply, LanceLite and Maxman can't argue on his own.

Dark Weezing: I have to confess to being blatantly ignorant about Giovanni's history. I only saw about the first season of the anime and some stray episodes from the later ones, so most of my opinions are based on what I have piece together based on the games. Although I don't have a console so of course my knowledge might have its gaps even in that area. Also, when you put it into that context Team Magma's goal makes a lot more sense. I live in Finland where the crowding definitely isn't a problem (Well, the politicians keep lamenting the terrible lack of building space but as far as I can see that's all it is; talk). In fact, in the countryside its the sparcity of people that's causing trouble, so the whole 'expanding the land mass' thing seemed kind of daft to me. As does Team Aqua's goal. Maybe they were thinking that everyone lives on ships or something? Meh, still seems like a pretty dumb goal to aspire to unless you have somehow developed the talent to breathe underwater, but then again; religion is rarely logical.
 
They're banned. Yay.

Alter, I can agree with that, I live in America and I don't have the main story that helps give more to the Giovanni character, the Birth of Myuutsu CD Drama. (4Kids won't dub it because of its rather old and too many God references. Although with the past season they're kinda lifting that) I had the internet and translations to help gel it all together.

The CD Drama is probably the only thing that gels Giovanni as a character. Season Two on, he's quite arrogant to the point of cartoonary and thus...he's not a character. Hence why I use the Special version of him because he's a Machiavellian (he times the seconds in a battle!) schemer but with his own personal issues, like his honor and roles to perform and then use the anime for the past since Special won't cover the exposition the anime lovingly provides. Email/PM me and I'll get into it with you more and help out.

Aqua/Magma: It's funny, you don't see that until you live it. America isn't overcrowded but I know that water covers 75% of the earth, so with more people, you're going to need more land. It's just with Japan, the overcrowding is obvious. Magma also has a distinction of looking more professional with the uniforms and more cultish with the hoods. They're more in the supervillain role than Aqua, who look like pirates to me and while that's good, that doesn't have that gothic streak the Rockets have or Magma's ominous ness.

The thing is, they don't do the necessary exposition for Aqua, (although I haven't played Sapphire, no time but the anime should drop a hint about this somehow within the past two years) where Magma, you more or less get it.

Of course of the two, Magma is the more successful in the anime (Success by fluke but still success at Slateport and Bannai's double cross--their first real win), whereas Aqua has failed. I wonder if the writers feel Magma has more of an cohesive logic and give them the wins, while bashing Aqua with the failures (Isabel's running away at Mt. Chimney and the Weather Institute are quite the tells). And by not elaborating on Aqua's plan to live underwater, just undermines their legitimacy further.

It's an odd angle. But then I shouldn't be surprised by the anime in their intentions to not realize the scope of a good criminal organization when they see one as they've done it before (the underuse of the Rockets).
 
if i could pick any evil team, i'd have 2 pick Cipher. but since they aren't a choice, i chose Team Magma because i like fire types. I will agree w/ dark weezing about that TM's scheme makes more sense than TA's. While most people will say that i know nothing about fashion, but i like TM's apparel. I've always liked capes and red is my favorite color. Maxie does look too serious for my liking tho.
 
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