Remember when there were only 150 pokemon?

[The Bringer!]

This topic is made of phail.

"OLOLOLOL!!!11!One!11!!! thur r 2 many i cant cownt then al no mor!"
[dramatization of what the general public thinks]
Really, 493 isn't too much at all. If small children can keep track of them, I'm sure that you can too. Besides, isn't variety good? If there are pokemon that you don't like (don't be sad probopass) or think are bad, then just don't use them. No one is forcing you to use them. Now for my next dramatization of the opinion of the general public.

"poke'mns r not, liek, crative any moar. y cant them hav more liek CHARIZARD! lulzers!"
Yes, because seel and psyduck are oh so creative. Seriously, I think an absol or budew are much more interesting than a ditto or voltorb could be. They are not running out of ideas, they are using ideas that are 'unfamiliar' with you. If you people could just try to get used to them, they wouldn't be that bad. I am sick and tired of people saying "the nuw 1s r not real pok'enoms!" Since when was there any way for something to not be a "real pokemon". Learn to get with the program. Which brings me to my next complaint.

"evry1 noes that anythng past RES an YELLO an GOWLD iz bad! Thay wur tha onlly goud gams!!!11!one!eleven11!!!"
Says who? The only reason for this kind of behavior is that most of the people that post these kind of things grew up with those games. Sure, they may give you a "warm and fuzzy feeling" and whatnot, but that does not mean that they are better. You just associate those games with when you were younger. More often than not, you look back at them with more fondness for that fact and that fact only. It's not the actual game thats better. It's that you're getting older while pokemon stays the same. No need to bash the new games.

Thank you to all who have took they're time to read this. Hopefully, I will not be murdered in my sleep and you will leave a more knowledgeable person. Once again, to get my point across, this topic is phail.

 

[Roy G. Biv]

This topic is made of phail.

"OLOLOLOL!!!11!One!11!!! thur r 2 many i cant cownt then al no mor!"
[dramatization of what the general public thinks]
Really, 493 isn't too much at all. If small children can keep track of them, I'm sure that you can too. Besides, isn't variety good? If there are pokemon that you don't like (don't be sad probopass) or think are bad, then just don't use them. No one is forcing you to use them. Now for my next dramatization of the opinion of the general public.

"poke'mns r not, liek, crative any moar. y cant them hav more liek CHARIZARD! lulzers!"
Yes, because seel and psyduck are oh so creative. Seriously, I think an absol or budew are much more interesting than a ditto or voltorb could be. They are not running out of ideas, they are using ideas that are 'unfamiliar' with you. If you people could just try to get used to them, they wouldn't be that bad. I am sick and tired of people saying "the nuw 1s r not real pok'enoms!" Since when was there any way for something to not be a "real pokemon". Learn to get with the program. Which brings me to my next complaint.

"evry1 noes that anythng past RES an YELLO an GOWLD iz bad! Thay wur tha onlly goud gams!!!11!one!eleven11!!!"
Says who? The only reason for this kind of behavior is that most of the people that post these kind of things grew up with those games. Sure, they may give you a "warm and fuzzy feeling" and whatnot, but that does not mean that they are better. You just associate those games with when you were younger. More often than not, you look back at them with more fondness for that fact and that fact only. It's not the actual game thats better. It's that you're getting older while pokemon stays the same. No need to bash the new games.

Thank you to all who have took they're time to read this. Hopefully, I will not be murdered in my sleep and you will leave a more knowledgeable person. Once again, to get my point across, this topic is phail.

THIS COMMENT IS WIN

Anyway, yes I completely agree with the above poster... Variety is good, it's all your opinions... Just read the above post, 'kay?

 

[KillaKoopa]

The first two gens were the best. Not because of the Pokemon, not because of nostalgia, they just felt a lot more like, well, Pokemon. Nowadays I think I'm playing an entirely different game. I'm not saying the new games are bad, I love them. They just don't feel like Pokemon anymore, you know what i mean?

 

[YOOM-TAH]

This topic is made of phail.

"OLOLOLOL!!!11!One!11!!! thur r 2 many i cant cownt then al no mor!"
[dramatization of what the general public thinks]
Really, 493 isn't too much at all. If small children can keep track of them, I'm sure that you can too. Besides, isn't variety good? If there are pokemon that you don't like (don't be sad probopass) or think are bad, then just don't use them. No one is forcing you to use them. Now for my next dramatization of the opinion of the general public.

"poke'mns r not, liek, crative any moar. y cant them hav more liek CHARIZARD! lulzers!"
Yes, because seel and psyduck are oh so creative. Seriously, I think an absol or budew are much more interesting than a ditto or voltorb could be. They are not running out of ideas, they are using ideas that are 'unfamiliar' with you. If you people could just try to get used to them, they wouldn't be that bad. I am sick and tired of people saying "the nuw 1s r not real pok'enoms!" Since when was there any way for something to not be a "real pokemon". Learn to get with the program. Which brings me to my next complaint.

"evry1 noes that anythng past RES an YELLO an GOWLD iz bad! Thay wur tha onlly goud gams!!!11!one!eleven11!!!"
Says who? The only reason for this kind of behavior is that most of the people that post these kind of things grew up with those games. Sure, they may give you a "warm and fuzzy feeling" and whatnot, but that does not mean that they are better. You just associate those games with when you were younger. More often than not, you look back at them with more fondness for that fact and that fact only. It's not the actual game thats better. It's that you're getting older while pokemon stays the same. No need to bash the new games.

Thank you to all who have took they're time to read this. Hopefully, I will not be murdered in my sleep and you will leave a more knowledgeable person. Once again, to get my point across, this topic is phail.

You have captured every single sentiment I have tried to express against things people seem to say around here, and managed to fit it into one post. If there were a reputation system, I would want to give you the max amount possible.

Seriously, in my honest opinion (and I don't try to be rude or anything, take it as you will), anyone who actually thinks this (and there's a lot from this topic) shouldn't really be here. I mean, can you really consider yourself enough of a pokemon fan to join a pokemon FORUM if the only pokemon you liked were from more than 10 years ago? This isn't a board where people just look back at the past with fondness, it's a place for REAL pokemon fans to interact.

Now, there's two schools, so to speak, when it comes to bashing pokemon now. One is the amount of pokemon. And that is a stupid school. Seriously, if you think there are too many pokemon now, then just leave this place. You are not a fan of pokemon at all, and you are also apparently lacking lower level brain functions. 493 is not that large a number. To me, it's just a stupid excuse to mask the fact that you just don't CARE about pokemon enough to keep up with them. If you were actually a fan of pokemon, this lame excuse for a complaint would never leave your lips.

The other school is about the originality of the pokemon. This is something that's completely relative to opinion, and I of course find myself agreeing with Mr. Person. The only reason in my opinion that people think the originals are more creative is because just that--they ARE the originals! But looking back and completely throwing the timeline of the games out the window, you can't really come up with evidence for Mewtwo, the legendary birds, and the rest of them being more original than pokes like Arceus, the Lake Trio, etc. Seriously, Voltorb? It's a pokeball, with eyes. What makes that more creative than something like Drifloon or Cherubi? People often point to the starters too. IMO the newest set of starters are way more awesome and creative than the originals, and I don't just say that because Piplup is my favorite pokemon.

Now this is all just about the pokemon. I didn't even begin to talk about the GAMES, which compared to now were terrible. (I'm not saying they are terrible, just compared to the newer gens.) I won't get too much into it, since I ranted about it in another topic recently, but like Mr. Person said, which I have also said before, just because you grew up with them and so they hold a special place in your heart, doesn't make them actually BETTER. I too grew up with red and blue. My fondest pokemon memories were during Gold and Silver days, waking up every morning to bike to my friends' houses to trade Mystery Gifts. But unlike most (apparently), I have the ability to draw the line between fond childhood memories and how good a game actually is. Geez, if I had Diamond and Pearl back then, I don't think I'd have gone to school. There's just so much more to do both alone and with friends in the new gens. And people will complain and say those extra features are bad or lame, but guess what? It's better than NO features. Red and Blue, you go from city to city, gym to gym, you beat the E4, then you get Mewtwo. And that's it. You're done. Nothing else to do in the game. Oh, you can get all the pokemon. Which takes a couple days. There, game over, throw it in the closet and wait for the next one. Now, I'm still playing D/P trying to get all the pokemon, trading with friends, breeding, etc.

In the end, it boils down to this. The more pokemon they add, the better. The minute they stop adding more is the minute the game dies, because there's no point in making a new pokemon game without new pokemon, because it would essentially be the same game.

And the problem is, people seem to think nostalgia and childhood memories and being the original of a series all somehow make a game better than something with way more content, way better systems of battling, trading, game mechanics, etc. etc. Pretty much better in every single way.

And again, anyone who really thinks it's out of hand and there's too many pokemon and that the franchise was actually better off with just the original 150, you really shouldn't be here on a Pokemon fan board, because you're not really a Pokemon fan at all, much less enough of one to join a message board.

 

[invisible-chan]

Personally, I liked it when there were 251. My first game was Silver, so I started with second gen. I've read the the previous posts and since I'm too lazy to quote, here's my summarized take. Though I do dislike most of the new Pokemon, I do like some of the new ones and parts of the new game. I think what bugs me most about the new gens is the over abundance in legendaries. I'm okay with the legendary trio, a cute, and at most three ubers. What happened with the newer generations is that they took it too far, for me anyways. There are 32 legendaries now if I'm not mistaken. I also hate the pre/evo's of classic Pokemon. Some are cute and work fine, but others like Magmar, Electabuz, and Magnaton's evelutions, I found to be stupid.
Gamewise, I think that the first two generations were great. The things in the new generations are fun and all, but they seem a little excessive to me.

I'd like to end reminding people this is my opinion.

 

[airconditioning]

Everyone in this thread is a scrub and/or nostalgiafagfriend. Seriously, who can't keep track of 493 Pokemon?

But seriously, the only reason you thought RBY was better was because you were six. Now shut up.

You have captured every single sentiment I have tried to express against things people seem to say around here, and managed to fit it into one post. If there were a reputation system, I would want to give you the max amount possible.

There is. Notice the scales above each post?

 

[cal.kriptic]

You have captured every single sentiment I have tried to express against things people seem to say around here, and managed to fit it into one post. If there were a reputation system, I would want to give you the max amount possible.

Seriously, in my honest opinion (and I don't try to be rude or anything, take it as you will), anyone who actually thinks this (and there's a lot from this topic) shouldn't really be here. I mean, can you really consider yourself enough of a pokemon fan to join a pokemon FORUM if the only pokemon you liked were from more than 10 years ago? This isn't a board where people just look back at the past with fondness, it's a place for REAL pokemon fans to interact.

Now, there's two schools, so to speak, when it comes to bashing pokemon now. One is the amount of pokemon. And that is a stupid school. Seriously, if you think there are too many pokemon now, then just leave this place. You are not a fan of pokemon at all, and you are also apparently lacking lower level brain functions. 493 is not that large a number. To me, it's just a stupid excuse to mask the fact that you just don't CARE about pokemon enough to keep up with them. If you were actually a fan of pokemon, this lame excuse for a complaint would never leave your lips.

The other school is about the originality of the pokemon. This is something that's completely relative to opinion, and I of course find myself agreeing with Mr. Person. The only reason in my opinion that people think the originals are more creative is because just that--they ARE the originals! But looking back and completely throwing the timeline of the games out the window, you can't really come up with evidence for Mewtwo, the legendary birds, and the rest of them being more original than pokes like Arceus, the Lake Trio, etc. Seriously, Voltorb? It's a pokeball, with eyes. What makes that more creative than something like Drifloon or Cherubi? People often point to the starters too. IMO the newest set of starters are way more awesome and creative than the originals, and I don't just say that because Piplup is my favorite pokemon.

Now this is all just about the pokemon. I didn't even begin to talk about the GAMES, which compared to now were terrible. (I'm not saying they are terrible, just compared to the newer gens.) I won't get too much into it, since I ranted about it in another topic recently, but like Mr. Person said, which I have also said before, just because you grew up with them and so they hold a special place in your heart, doesn't make them actually BETTER. I too grew up with red and blue. My fondest pokemon memories were during Gold and Silver days, waking up every morning to bike to my friends' houses to trade Mystery Gifts. But unlike most (apparently), I have the ability to draw the line between fond childhood memories and how good a game actually is. Geez, if I had Diamond and Pearl back then, I don't think I'd have gone to school. There's just so much more to do both alone and with friends in the new gens. And people will complain and say those extra features are bad or lame, but guess what? It's better than NO features. Red and Blue, you go from city to city, gym to gym, you beat the E4, then you get Mewtwo. And that's it. You're done. Nothing else to do in the game. Oh, you can get all the pokemon. Which takes a couple days. There, game over, throw it in the closet and wait for the next one. Now, I'm still playing D/P trying to get all the pokemon, trading with friends, breeding, etc.

In the end, it boils down to this. The more pokemon they add, the better. The minute they stop adding more is the minute the game dies, because there's no point in making a new pokemon game without new pokemon, because it would essentially be the same game.

And the problem is, people seem to think nostalgia and childhood memories and being the original of a series all somehow make a game better than something with way more content, way better systems of battling, trading, game mechanics, etc. etc. Pretty much better in every single way.

And again, anyone who really thinks it's out of hand and there's too many pokemon and that the franchise was actually better off with just the original 150, you really shouldn't be here on a Pokemon fan board, because you're not really a Pokemon fan at all, much less enough of one to join a message board.

You asked if the games are better because they give us a warm and fuzzy feel. Well yes they are nothing can compare to the old days pokemon now just isnt the same back then pokemon was magic.

 

[Saltare.]

My bro and I could sing the ENTIRE Kanto Pokerap! But if you try to put them all together...BIG MESS! But yeah, 150 was better than 493....150 made it easier to "Catch em' all!"

 

[Percy Thrillington]

Pokémon was better back in the day. There was more originality, everything was new and exciting and we were all much younger. Sure, the graphics might have been a bit worse than they are now, but in the end, it's the gameplay that matters to me, not the graphics.

I can't even begin to explain how much I disagree with everything this topic stands for. I actually feel disdain for people who feel this way.

First of all, if they didn't add any pokemon past the first generation, it would have died and been completely not fun and this forum wouldn't even exist.

Second of all, 493 is in no way too many pokemon. It's not hard to keep track of them. 7-year olds have no problem doing so. What's the issue? Can you not count that high or something?

I won't say anything else, because I don't want to pick a fight with anyone.

First off, I don't think we've talking in a one-on-one conversation before, but I've seen you post and I don't like the fact that you think your opinion is above everyone else's. This thread is for the opinions of whether or not people preferred Pokémon back in the day and I really doubt that you're going to change the views of the people who did.

Okay, so you're telling me that the Pokémon Blue, Red and Yellow were not going to be as great as they were unless a second generation was created? That statement was completely illogical, my good sir, as a second generation wouldn't really have effected the first generation games in any way. Sure, the Pokémon franchise may collapse and it's probable that this forum wouldn't exist, but who cares? So long as one good game was created and the franchise wasn't milked for all it was worth, I wouldn't have minded.

What are you talking about? Do you know a seven year old that can list off all 493 Pokémon off by heart? No, you don't, unless he or she is completely obsessed.

This topic is made of phail.

"OLOLOLOL!!!11!One!11!!! thur r 2 many i cant cownt then al no mor!"
"poke'mns r not, liek, crative any moar. y cant them hav more liek CHARIZARD! lulzers!"
Yes, because seel and psyduck are oh so creative. Seriously, I think an absol or budew are much more interesting than a ditto or voltorb could be. They are not running out of ideas, they are using ideas that are 'unfamiliar' with you. If you people could just try to get used to them, they wouldn't be that bad. I am sick and tired of people saying "the nuw 1s r not real pok'enoms!" Since when was there any way for something to not be a "real pokemon". Learn to get with the program. Which brings me to my next complaint.

"evry1 noes that anythng past RES an YELLO an GOWLD iz bad! Thay wur tha onlly goud gams!!!11!one!eleven11!!!"
Says who? The only reason for this kind of behavior is that most of the people that post these kind of things grew up with those games. Sure, they may give you a "warm and fuzzy feeling" and whatnot, but that does not mean that they are better. You just associate those games with when you were younger. More often than not, you look back at them with more fondness for that fact and that fact only. It's not the actual game thats better. It's that you're getting older while pokemon stays the same. No need to bash the new games.

Thank you to all who have took they're time to read this. Hopefully, I will not be murdered in my sleep and you will leave a more knowledgeable person. Once again, to get my point across, this topic is phail.

Spelling fail by replacing the f and putting in a ph isn't cool. Way to kill the English language.

In response to your claims against the general public, not everyone bashes the third and fourth generation. There are a few good Pokémon from both of those generations, I admit that, but, to me, both generations were pretty much epic failures. You also seem to think that people have this idea that so long as the Pokémon wasn't from the Blue, Red, Yellow, Gold, Silver and Crystal era, they will instantly hate it. That's not true. I'm pretty sure everyone will give something a chance and then place their verdict upon it. That's why practically everyone on this forum who hated Diamond and Pearl has a copy of at least one.

Also, nobody likes someone who thinks he or she is always right. As I said earlier, this thread was made so people could post their opinion on whether or not they preferred Pokémon back in the day, not for people like you to attempt to convert everyone over to your side of the story.

You have captured every single sentiment I have tried to express against things people seem to say around here, and managed to fit it into one post. If there were a reputation system, I would want to give you the max amount possible.

What happened to you not posting again in this thread? Oh, and (as airconditioning has so kindly pointed out) there is a reputation system.

Seriously, in my honest opinion (and I don't try to be rude or anything, take it as you will), anyone who actually thinks this (and there's a lot from this topic) shouldn't really be here. I mean, can you really consider yourself enough of a pokemon fan to join a pokemon FORUM if the only pokemon you liked were from more than 10 years ago? This isn't a board where people just look back at the past with fondness, it's a place for REAL pokemon fans to interact.

And who are you to define what a true Pokémon fan is? In my mind, anybody who likes any aspect of the game or the franchise but feels indifferent about everything else is still a fan. You really cannot comprehend how much I dislike people that think they're above everyone else.

Now, there's two schools, so to speak, when it comes to bashing pokemon now. One is the amount of pokemon. And that is a stupid school. Seriously, if you think there are too many pokemon now, then just leave this place. You are not a fan of pokemon at all, and you are also apparently lacking lower level brain functions. 493 is not that large a number. To me, it's just a stupid excuse to mask the fact that you just don't CARE about pokemon enough to keep up with them. If you were actually a fan of pokemon, this lame excuse for a complaint would never leave your lips.

For some reason, this paragraph reminded me of a religion debate I had a while ago. Religion is ridiculous, and so is this paragraph. First off, nobody really cares about what you think is stupid or not, secondly, why would anyone be lacking brains if they decide to speak out against the unoriginality that is Pokémon? And thirdly, what the hell? People have lives. They're too busy to learn everything about fictional beasts.

The other school is about the originality of the pokemon. This is something that's completely relative to opinion, and I of course find myself agreeing with Mr. Person. The only reason in my opinion that people think the originals are more creative is because just that--they ARE the originals! But looking back and completely throwing the timeline of the games out the window, you can't really come up with evidence for Mewtwo, the legendary birds, and the rest of them being more original than pokes like Arceus, the Lake Trio, etc. Seriously, Voltorb? It's a pokeball, with eyes. What makes that more creative than something like Drifloon or Cherubi? People often point to the starters too. IMO the newest set of starters are way more awesome and creative than the originals, and I don't just say that because Piplup is my favorite pokemon.

Yes, you do.

And that wraps my argument up because the rest of YOOM-TAH's post was ridiculous.

 

[.]

You asked if the games are better because they give us a warm and fuzzy feel. Well yes they are nothing can compare to the old days pokemon now just isnt the same back then pokemon was magic.

Um...That's nice. However, it means nothing considering that you probably felt that because it had an impact in your early life. I know I will always love RBY/GSC much more than D/P or RSE. This does not mean RSE or D/P was bad, just that they were around me when I was more into them, I had more time to dedicate to them. Now, I don't get as attatched to the games as I used to.

My bro and I could sing the ENTIRE Kanto Pokerap! But if you try to put them all together...BIG MESS! But yeah, 150 was better than 493....150 made it easier to "Catch em' all!"

Congratulations, you caught them all. Now what? Nothing. Seriously, this whole "Catch em' all!" argument is pathetic. Why would you want less Pokemon? So you can obtain them all and finish the game quicker? Thus limiting the experiance and lowering the exhiliration of catching them all? I'd be more proud to catch 493 than 150. Plus, 493 makes the metagame much more interesting since there will be more to battle on Wifi or Shoddy. The first 150 were very easy to predict, a lot of them were Not Fully evolved, thus the amount appearing in competative battling was severely limited. How would you like to see Starmie on nearly every single team? Sure, there are standards today, but there is a lot more possible faces to see.

Taking a break from the competative point of view, I really did like the first 251. A lot of the RSE/DP ones weren't that interesting, only a few touched my heart. Still, I think 4 games is good enough, and a 5th is welcomed, but not entirely encouraged.

 

[airconditioning]

Pokémon was better back in the day. There was more originality, everything was new and exciting and we were all much younger.

Do ho.

Sure, the graphics might have been a bit worse than they are now, but in the end, it's the gameplay that matters to me, not the graphics.

Wait, RBY had better gameplay than D/P? What?

Spelling fail by replacing the f and putting in a ph isn't cool. Way to kill the English language.

Normally this would annoy me, but only phaggots replace 'f' with 'ph'.

not everyone bashes the third and fourth generation.
both generations were pretty much epic failures.

I'm pretty sure everyone will give something a chance and then place their verdict upon it.

That's not how arguing about video games on the internet works, kiddo.

Religion is ridiculous

I'm sure there are a number of people who have something to say to this.

why would anyone be lacking brains if they decide to speak out against the unoriginality that is Pokémon?

Don't give me that. We know how you people act when something original actually does come along. Get back to your Charizards and Pikachus. >:(

Poor Probopass... ;_;

 

[Katnip]

I have to agree with the people like YOOM-TAH. It feels like there's nobody who really enjoys the 4th generation. Sure, I might have made a few jokes at the newer additions, but I don't hate them. I mean, come on! If you don't like the 4th generation, then don't bother to talk about them! And what comes with being nostalgic? Sure, you have some great memories of the first generation, but that's because it's the first pokemon game you picked up! Think of all the seven year olds who are halfway through Sinnoh, they must have the same feelings for pokemon now as you did then! To them it's as magical as it was in R/B/Y! The people who are designing pokemon, they're taking risks and trying new things. Yeah, there are some 'hokey'mon in the fourth generation, but haven't there always been? What you might dislike could be someone else's favorite! And to all nostalgic fans out there, don't reminisce about the past games while the new ones come out, because someday, be it ten days or ten years from now, they'll stop making pokemon! And then you'll REALLY have something to be nostalgic about!

 

[.]

I have to agree with the people like YOOM-TAH. It feels like there's nobody who really enjoys the 4th generation.

No one who enjoys the 4th generation? How about you ask the thousands upon thousands who use Wifi and Shoddy for competative battling means.

Sure, I might have made a few jokes at the newer additions, but I don't hate them. I mean, come on! If you don't like the 4th generation, then don't bother to talk about them!

Freedom of speech.

And what comes with being nostalgic? Sure, you have some great memories of the first generation, but that's because it's the first pokemon game you picked up! Think of all the seven year olds who are halfway through Sinnoh, they must have the same feelings for pokemon now as you did then! To them it's as magical as it was in R/B/Y!

Everyone understands that, what we're talking about it how many swear by RBY, and only has the argument of "IT WAS VERY MEMORABLE" to back it up.

The people who are designing pokemon, they're taking risks and trying new things. Yeah, there are some 'hokey'mon in the fourth generation, but haven't there always been? What you might dislike could be someone else's favorite!

We know that, but a lot of 4th gen's Pokemon are very similar to the 1st, 2nd, and 3rd gen.

 

[Katnip]

No one who enjoys the 4th generation? How about you ask the thousands upon thousands who use Wifi and Shoddy for competative battling means.

Just because they use Wifi doesn't mean that they use 4th generation pokemon. Wifi is an addition that came with the 4th gen, not the fourth gen itself.

Freedom of speech or not, it's pointless to complain about the 4th generation. It's out, it's official, and no amount of complaining is going to make Nintendo take it back.

People say "It was very memorable" because it was new and it was the first pokemon game they picked up. Pokemon was absolutely brand-new back then and it left impressions on a lot of people. And when it got popular a lot of people admitted to liking it, not like today where 99.9% of the population says that it's kiddy stuff.

Some of the fourth gen looks similar because they're new evolutions to old pokemon. Chimpchar and its evolutions are the only ones I could pull off the top of my head that seem blatantly like a recycling of the Torchic family. And to anyone who says that adding new evolutions to old pokemon is recycling, did you say that when they came out with pre-evolutions in G/S/C?

 

[.]

Just because they use Wifi doesn't mean that they use 4th generation pokemon. Wifi is an addition that came with the 4th gen, not the fourth gen itself.

You said people don't enjoy the 4th generation. Not about it's Pokemon.

Freedom of speech or not, it's pointless to complain about the 4th generation. It's out, it's official, and no amount of complaining is going to make Nintendo take it back.

It may be "pointless" but it still doesn't stop people from complaining.

People say "It was very memorable" because it was new and it was the first pokemon game they picked up. Pokemon was absolutely brand-new back then and it left impressions on a lot of people. And when it got popular a lot of people admitted to liking it, not like today where 99.9% of the population says that it's kiddy stuff.

Okay, it's memorable, still doesn't mean that it's gameplay is better than DP. Take away the memorable stuff, DP had much better ingame play.

Some of the fourth gen looks similar because they're new evolutions to old pokemon. Chimpchar and its evolutions are the only ones I could pull off the top of my head that seem blatantly like a recycling of the Torchic family. And to anyone who says that adding new evolutions to old pokemon is recycling, did you say that when they came out with pre-evolutions in G/S/C?

[/quote]

The only D/P Pokemon that I think was interesting, and I mean truly interesting, was Mamoswine, and that was a 2nd gen Pokemon's evolution. Sure it's my opinion, but I truly feel there has been a severe lack of creativity in the creation of a lot of the new Pokemon.

 

[pong08]

I don't think there's anything wrong with pokemon these days.... besides the anime.

 

[pokeretard]

when there wuz only 150 pokemon they looked pretty cool but now that the pokemon corporation is making more the pokemon are starting to look kinda weird...

 

[YOOM-TAH]

^^Lol Vance and Katnip, you two are on the same side, more or less, and you're still arguing.

Anyway. Oni Raichu. Just gonna throw this out there, your arguing is no different than mine. You're acting no less "right about everything" than I am. It's the point of a debate. If I'm not adamant about my opinion then it's pretty hard to defend it.

So, you said this:

Okay, so you're telling me that the Pokémon Blue, Red and Yellow were not going to be as great as they were unless a second generation was created? That statement was completely illogical, my good sir, as a second generation wouldn't really have effected the first generation games in any way. Sure, the Pokémon franchise may collapse and it's probable that this forum wouldn't exist, but who cares? So long as one good game was created and the franchise wasn't milked for all it was worth, I wouldn't have minded.

What are you talking about? Do you know a seven year old that can list off all 493 Pokémon off by heart? No, you don't, unless he or she is completely obsessed.

First, reread what I said. Never said that RBY itself would not be as big as it was if it weren't for future gens. I said the franchise itself would not exist, nor would this forum. And you acknowledged this fact. And for some reason you're okay with that. And somehow you call youself a pokemon fan, yet you claim you'd prefer the franchise to no longer exist. Which makes...sense?

And yes, I know plenty of 7-year olds who can name every pokemon off the top of their head. It's not an obsession, it's simply a hobby. And being able to memorize that many things is a good skill to have. I imagine you wouldn't ever want to be a doctor. You'd have to memorize so many more things, you'd probably just say something like "Screw this, I have a life, I'm too cool to learn and retain information."

Airconditioning's comic sums it up perfectly. It was new and exciting. That's why it was more fun to you. But that doesn't make it a better game, that just makes youth a better age. It means the game had better timing. Face it, if you had Diamond and Pearl back then, with breeding and Wi-Fi and all that, you'd have liked it way way way way WAAAAAY better. You'll deny this, of course, but I'll just laugh at your denial.

And thirdly, what the hell? People have lives. They're too busy to learn everything about fictional beasts.

I have a life. I am in college in an Honors program, and maintaining good grades, and I have quite a healthy social life. I'm quite content with where my life is going. And I have no problem keeping up with 493 different pokemon. I might not know every single thing about every single pokemon, but I can easily look that up on Serebii pretty quickly if I need it.

Yes, you do.

This proves how you are no different than me in your style of arguing. Despite preaching how much you hate people who act like they're "above" everyone else, you actually tell me that I am wrong about how I feel. But hey, I guess you know how I feel more than I do.

Let's put it this way. You claim to be a pokemon fan, thus self-validating your purpose in even being here. But I want you to honestly read into your posts and opinions that you've made, with a neutral mind. Because almost everything you've said is very negative about pokemon. Here are some things you've said youself.

Sure, the Pokémon franchise may collapse and it's probable that this forum wouldn't exist, but who cares? So long as one good game was created and the franchise wasn't milked for all it was worth, I wouldn't have minded.

There are a few good Pokémon from both of those generations, I admit that, but, to me, both generations were pretty much epic failures.

In my mind, anybody who likes any aspect of the game or the franchise but feels indifferent about everything else is still a fan.

First off, nobody really cares about what you think is stupid or not, secondly, why would anyone be lacking brains if they decide to speak out against the unoriginality that is Pokémon?

(way to be a hypocrite and just bash my opinion and say no one cares about it...)

People have lives. They're too busy to learn everything about fictional beasts.

So, read those again. From this, I can infer these things about you:

--You think that Pokemon would be better off if it no longer existed.
--You say that the last two gens are epic failure (which says nothing of your opinion of the first two, so we'll leave it at that)
--You apparently like one or a few aspects of the entire pokemon franchise, and couldn't care less about the rest.
--You believe that Pokemon is unoriginal. Not only that, but you say "the unoriginality that is Pokemon". Apparently, Pokemon embodies unoriginality to you. Pokemon is the epitome of unoriginality.
--You have a life and therefore cannot be bothered to care about pokemon, or as you call them, "fictional beasts".


From this, I gather that you just plain don't like pokemon. Which again leads me to question why you are here and posting. Not saying you should leave, not saying you have no right to be here. Geez, even if you couldn't spell pokemon, I wouldn't deny your right to join the forums. But I question your actual motive to be here. I question why you would actually WANT to take time out of that precious life of yours to come to a fan forum of a game/anime/entertainment franchise that you clearly seem to not like at all.

 

[Johnnyboi]

This topic is made of phail.

You're made of fail tbh

"OLOLOLOL!!!11!One!11!!! thur r 2 many i cant cownt then al no mor!"

That's not the arguement, it's that some people would rather have 150 amazing Pokémon and dislike the Hoenn/Sinnoh Pokémon which quite frankly have been surprisingly crappy compared to the original 251 IMO.

"poke'mns r not, liek, crative any moar. y cant them hav more liek CHARIZARD! lulzers!"
Yes, because seel and psyduck are oh so creative. Seriously, I think an absol or budew are much more interesting than a ditto or voltorb could be. They are not running out of ideas, they are using ideas that are 'unfamiliar' with you. If you people could just try to get used to them, they wouldn't be that bad. I am sick and tired of people saying "the nuw 1s r not real pok'enoms!"

Budew more interesting than a Ditto? You've gotta be kidding me. Some of the new Pokémon are just so incredibly ugly and uninteresting, I'm gonna name a few, of course I don't know the names at the top of my head, so I'm gonna check out serebii:
Kricketot, Budew, Burmy, Wormadam, Combee, Cherubi, Shellos, Bronzor, Spiritomb
I mean, come on, I didn't even have to go through the Pokédex to find these ugly 'mon. I could just take some at random and see, they're just horrible.

"evry1 noes that anythng past RES an YELLO an GOWLD iz bad! Thay wur tha onlly goud gams!!!11!one!eleven11!!!"

Pokémon Gold and Silver were my favourite games, those games were just incredible. If you havn't noticed, R/S was a pile of... well, suck compared to G/S. It isn't wierd that R/S sold way less than G/S compared to the gain of fandom Pokémon would have gotten those like 4 years between the games?


Huge evidence that the general Pokémon quality is going waaaay downhill:
Look at the games legendary trios, first we have the legendary birds: Zapdos, Articuno and Moltres, now, these are pretty darn awesome. Then we have the legendary beasts of G/S/C, now these are just AMAZING. I personally just love Suicune and Raikou to bits! Then in R/S/E we have.... the regis? What the? First off, they are extremely ugly, secondly: They are not very creative, and... They're just horrible to the first 2 legendary trios.
Then, in Diamond/Pearl of course I hoped for a better trio, and we got it... not. The 3 silly apes. Seriously, 3 almost identical looking apes, all psychic. I don't think I have to say more about this, I dunno which trio is the worst, the regis or the apes, but they both suck supernaturally much.
And of course we have the other legendaries, I mean come on, what the hell is Heatran, the volcano spider, compared to like Mewtwo? Or like Palkia compared to Ho-Oh? A Silly joke, yeah, you heard me. I would have been okay with more Pokémon post 251 if they didn't make horrible ones. Some of the new Pokémon are awesome, like Milotic, but they are few and far between.
And, last but not least: Piplup is just a blue copy of Torchic, you havn't noticed?

 

[ChronicEdge]

I don't think there are too many. I think some are unoriginal and suck at life (SPIRITOMB?!?! WTF D:<?!?!?), but 500's cool with me.

I do completely agree with whoever said that the games need more thickness. The E4 was scary back in the day. Now it's pathetic. Honestly, if the next generation doesn't deliver more plot and challenge, I'm going to stop playing. Except for Crystal. Because I have 10 100's on that old POS, and that's a lot to me.