Day of Silence

[Merzbau]

Me and my homosexual life-partner hate homosexuals and all activities thereof.

...or something like that.

Paraphrasing Ted Haggard, or something like that.

Guess what, everybody!

Some people are gay - get used to it.

 

[wee187]

It just seems so silly to me though. It seems to further ostracize the participants from their peers.

To spread awareness, you need to stand out, not blend in. Before WWI, Women in America actually picketed the White House. They didn't say a word, but their signs did. They stood out, and they got arrested and were treated terribly in prison. They stood out. They ended most of the discrimination. They stood out, they didn't blend in. It's the same here(although in today's society, I'm glad we can't get arrested!).

 

[Stairmaster]

Yes, but fundamentally it did not change. Also if morals change that is a scary thing, because then how do you know that you are morally right in the sight of people who look back ten years from now?

Well, the founding fathers knew that their document would have to change, because people's thoughts and morals change over time. That is why we have something called amendments. That is also why our document is the oldest still in use Constitution, or whatever another country calls their's.

What does the constitution have to do with a completely law-abiding, silent, peaceful protest?

 

[Team Rocket's Raichu]

Yes, but fundamentally it did not change. Also if morals change that is a scary thing, because then how do you know that you are morally right in the sight of people who look back ten years from now?

Okay here is some examples of morals being changed.

1: African American Rights.
2: Women Rights.
3: No Children working.
4: Minimal Wage
5: Universal Health Care.

And how the hell did you drag politics into this.

 

[Yusshin]

Also, will you try to prevent me from eating pork and shellfish?

Having been Christian for 15 years before converting, I can honestly say I never read nor was I told about not being permitted to eat pork or shellfish in that particular religion.

The "don't eat pork" is for Jewish and Muslim individuals, since pigs are extremely dirty and are high in cholesterol (at least, I believe that's the reasoning behind why Allah banned it).

As for shellfish, that's certainly not in Islam, and I never heard about it in Christianity. I eat fish all of the time - everyone in my family does, them being Christian and I being the sole Muslim.

Where does it say no shellfish / pork in the Bible? I would have assumed both the Baptist and Free Methodist church would've told me about this during my eight-year period of attending.

 

[Mario The World Champion]

Can't we all just get along? *awkward wink*

I think this thread should be closed due to high amounts of debate. We should have a debate forum, prolly.

Anytime religion and or politics are introduced into a discussion, it all goes downhill fast. Having a forum dedicated to that will only turn it into a flame war. I personally don't like talking about that stuff. So, you asking if we can't all get along can never be realized.

 

[Merzbau]

To be a light in the darkness as I usually am, the shellfish and pork argument is a common rebuttal to the bringing up of Christians of Old Testament passages such as Leviticus 18:22 which calls homosexuality an abomination; laws in this book and this surrounding are sometimes funny or downright ludicrous, and no Christian follows them today. Calling homosexuality an abomination in that context is similar to calling shellfish an abomination.

Thread defeated.

 

[Stairmaster]

Anytime religion and or politics are introduced into a discussion, it all goes downhill fast. Having a forum dedicated to that will only turn it into a flame war. I personally don't like talking about that stuff. So, you asking if we can't all get along can never be realized.

I think that's the problem though. This topic had nothing to do with politics or religion. Just someone's personal preference to participate in the event. I don't even know how the topic got on politics or religion, but I don't think it's against any laws or anyone's religion to protest against violence.

 

[Team Rocket's Raichu]

Thread defeated.

The point of the thread was to say whether you participated in the Day of Silence then someone brought up religion... "-__-

 

[Merzbau]

It's all happening because people read their prejudice into books - especially ancient ones that are impressionable and easy to seduce, like the Bible.

Reading the Bible literally is like reading The Boy Who Cried Wolf and thinking that one should never say the word "wolf."

Anyway, to get back on topic - as I am an executive board member of my university's gay-straight alliance type group, I participated in the activities, t-shirt making, and stuff. We weren't silent, though - we were obnoxious. Silence works in high schools, not universities. I hope that was clear for everyone.

 

[Team Rocket's Raichu]

It's all happening because people read their prejudice into books - especially ancient ones that are impressionable and easy to seduce, like the Bible.

Reading the Bible literally is like reading The Boy Who Cried Wolf and thinking that one should never say the word "wolf."

Okay, that is probably one of the funniest things I have read all day.

 

[SparklingMistral]

I forgot it was yesterday till I had gotten to school & saw my friend at her first block class doing her homework. She had duck tape over her mouth & that was when I remembered. I saw a bunch of the "table/tree kids" (which is a group of gothic/emo/scene/whatever kids at my school that stand by a tree outside in the morning & during 20 minute break when it's nice outside; I chill with them sometimes despite the fact that I'm not gothic/emo/scene/whatever) with black duck tape over their mouths too. Once I saw 'em, I remembered completely. I had already understood what was going on & so whenever I talked to one of them, they would write their response down on a piece of paper.

I believe most of the teachers at my school knew about it; I know my Theatre & English teachers knew about it, but I dunno if my Chemistry teacher knew. My friend had my History teacher from last year that day & I was chillin' in that class for a bit to talk to my friend; I would assume she knew. My friend also has my Spanish teacher from last year, but I never went to that class with her yesterday in between blocks, so I dunno if she knew. As for my ex-Foods teacher, she's too dumb, so I highly doubt she knew. There was one History teacher, whom I hate with a passion, who had no idea what it was about. I was with two of my friends at the time when she had come into the room looking for my ex-History teacher and she had asked us what it was for. None of us had bothered to answer her.

I didn't partake in it due to the fact that I had Theatre that day and we're basically required to talk in that class. I don't talk much anyways, so yeah. However, despite the fact that I didn't partake in it, I still support gays, lesbians, bisexuals, whatevers. Some of my closer friends are gay, lesbian, bisexual, or whatever & I really don't care if they are or not.

 

[Team Rocket's Raichu]

^ Ah, that's okay. I couldn't stay silent, but I still work the Day of Silence paper, and stood up for anyone participating.

 

[Merzbau]

I forgot it was yesterday till I had gotten to school & saw my friend at her first block class doing her homework. She had duck tape over her mouth & that was when I remembered. I saw a bunch of the "table/tree kids" (which is a group of gothic/emo/scene/whatever kids at my school that stand by a tree outside in the morning & during 20 minute break when it's nice outside; I chill with them sometimes despite the fact that I'm not gothic/emo/scene/whatever) with black duck tape over their mouths too. Once I saw 'em, I remembered completely. I had already understood what was going on & so whenever I talked to one of them, they would write their response down on a piece of paper.

I believe most of the teachers at my school knew about it; I know my Theatre & English teachers knew about it, but I dunno if my Chemistry teacher knew. My friend had my History teacher from last year that day & I was chillin' in that class for a bit to talk to my friend; I would assume she knew. My friend also has my Spanish teacher from last year, but I never went to that class with her yesterday in between blocks, so I dunno if she knew. As for my ex-Foods teacher, she's too dumb, so I highly doubt she knew. There was one History teacher, whom I hate with a passion, who had no idea what it was about. I was with two of my friends at the time when she had come into the room looking for my ex-History teacher and she had asked us what it was for. None of us had bothered to answer her.

I didn't partake in it due to the fact that I had Theatre that day and we're basically required to talk in that class. I don't talk much anyways, so yeah. However, despite the fact that I didn't partake in it, I still support gays, lesbians, bisexuals, whatevers. Some of my closer friends are gay, lesbian, bisexual, or whatever & I really don't care if they are or not.

If you're still in school next year and wish to participate, talk to your teachers beforehand and ask them if they have a problem with it. If they give you any problems, then skip that teacher. Talking in class to a teacher, and answering teacher questions, at least in my experience, is not forbidden...after all, some teachers will get you in trouble for not answering them.

In my opinion, it's the voluntary conversing that should be silent. Speak in class if you have to, but don't otherwise.

 

[Team Rocket's Raichu]

If you're still in school next year and wish to participate, talk to your teachers beforehand and ask them if they have a problem with it. If they give you any problems, then skip that teacher. Talking in class to a teacher, and answering teacher questions, at least in my experience, is not forbidden...after all, some teachers will get you in trouble for not answering them.

In my opinion, it's the voluntary conversing that should be silent. Speak in class if you have to, but don't otherwise.

Yeah, I believe that the DoS site says that you can talk to teachers, but that is about it.

 

[wee187]

Lol, our school makes a bit deal out of it. We even made T-shirts and a lot of the Staff wore them if they wanted to show their support. I'm not part of the actual club that sets up the school stuff for this, but I definitely participate. I just don't go to the club because I don't want people thinking I'm gay or anything when I actually am straight and just support the cause itself because of my friend, and others.

 

[Team Rocket's Raichu]

Lol, our school makes a bit deal out of it. We even made T-shirts and a lot of the Staff wore them if they wanted to show their support. I'm not part of the actual club that sets up the school stuff for this, but I definitely participate. I just don't go to the club because I don't want people thinking I'm gay or anything when I actually am straight and just support the cause itself because of my friend, and others.

I think that next year, I am going to wear the T-Shirt instead of just the piece of paper.

 

[NarutoActor]

Okay here is some examples of morals being changed.

1: African American Rights.
2: Women Rights.
3: No Children working.
4: Minimal Wage
5: Universal Health Care.

And how the hell did you drag politics into this.

1: African American Rights.- The bible said all men are created equal and so did the consitution, some people just chose to be not moral.
2: Women Rights. same as the first
3: No Children working. Why can't children work, I am working it is savory that is wrong, and god saved the jews out of Egyptian savory.
4: Minimal Wage- how dose this have to due with morals?!?
5: Universal Health Care. many people believe this is un constitutional and not moral so it hasen't change it just means some people are acting un moral.

 

[wee187]

I think that next year, I am going to wear the T-Shirt instead of just the piece of paper.

Same. Sadly, I had to go without the shirt this year because by the time I was convinced to support it this year, the shirts were sold out. I had the paper though, that's something, and at least I attempted really hard to do the right thing. ^_^ I didn't use the tape either, simply because I can't breathe through my nose that well all the time.

 

[Team Rocket's Raichu]

1: African American Rights.- The bible said all men are created equal and so did the consitution, some people just chose to be not moral.
2: Women Rights. same as the first
3: No Children working. Why can't children work, I am working it is savory that is wrong, and god saved the jews out of Egyptian savory.
4: Minimal Wage- how dose this have to due with morals?!?
5: Universal Health Care. many people believe this is un constitutional and not moral so it hasen't change it just means some people are acting un moral.

1) The makers of the Constitution didn't include Africans because a lot of them were slave owners, and didn't want to give them up.
2) Women according to the bible are "servants to men" if I remember correctly from my Christian days.
3) Children use to work in the coal mines and other dangerous jobs. Then America made that illegal.
4) People use to think that the government shouldn't interfere with business, but then that changed.
5) The sad thing is that a lot of people in other countries celebrated this passage. They were celebrating, because we finally caught up with the rest of the civilized world. They already had it.