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How do you feel about Same-Sex Marriage?

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    • NarutoActor said:
    It's just an example there are lots of things animals do, that humans shalt not do. We hold our selves to a high standard. And I'm not afraid of homosexuality, in any way.
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    There's also things that animals do that humans don't, but should do. To an animal, everyone is equal. They don't understand differences in fur, height, sexuality, or whatever. To them, they're just the same animal. And they treat them like that. They don't hurt people based on unchangeable characteristics or opinions, which is what you're proposing to keep doing.

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    BareBones

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    • NarutoActor said:
    It's just an example there are lots of things animals do, that humans shalt not do. We hold our selves to a high standard. And I'm not afraid of homosexuality, in any way.
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    All I'm simply saying is that the 'Homosexuality is unnatural' argument is invalid.

    Landorus said:
    Small note: Animals don't usually kill their own. Neither do we. We kill other animals, so do we.
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    Also, this. We do infact murder. We kill cows and sheep and chickens to eat and wear. Infact, we're worse in that respect because we also kill to wear the skin. Animals kill so they can survive (for the most part). 'tis very rare you'll see an animal kill its brethren, but yes it will kill things lower on the food chain simply to survive.

    Your point is invalid.
     

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    • It's a perversion of the truth, and homosexuality erodes the morals of the country
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    I don't get why or how.

    I personally just feel that if two people want to get married, then they should be allowed to get married. I just don't see the huge deal about two men or women getting married, nor have I actually found much of a good valid argument against why they should not be married.
     

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    • BareBones said:
    All I'm simply saying is that the 'Homosexuality is unnatural' argument is invalid.



    Also, this. We do infact murder. We kill cows and sheep and chickens to eat and wear. Infact, we're worse in that respect because we also kill to wear the skin. Animals kill so they can survive (for the most part). 'tis very rare you'll see an animal kill its brethren, but yes it will kill things lower on the food chain simply to survive.

    Your point is invalid.
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    Yes, but we don't kill the same species (unless war) and get away Scott free. Animals don't have prisons, they don't have manners. They do what ever they feel they need to do.

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    I don't get why or how.

    I personally just feel that if two people want to get married, then they should be allowed to get married. I just don't see the huge deal about two men or women getting married, nor have I actually found much of a good valid argument against why they should not be married.
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    It's a chain reaction, where you keep pushing the binderies of what is right or wrong.
     
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    • NarutoActor said:
    Yes, but we don't kill the same species (unless war) and get away Scott free. Animals don't have prisons, they don't have manners. They do what ever they feel they need to do.

    It's a chain reaction, where you keep pushing the binderies of what is right or wrong.
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    Animals don't need prisons, they do what they need to survive. So do we. We are worse too. We don't kill the same species? Have you ever watched the news? There are murders all the time. Death penalty.

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    BareBones

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    • NarutoActor said:
    Yes, but we don't kill the same species (unless war) and get away Scott free. Animals don't have prisons, they don't have manners. They do what ever they feel they need to do.
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    Which surely backs up my point of homosexuality being completely natural? If animals do whatever they feel the need to do, and they feel the need to 'do' something of the same sex (bad joke, I know) then surely that's simple instinct, yes?
     
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    • NarutoActor said:
    Yes but those people get punished. In the animal kingdom they are not.
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    That's actually not true. Animal behavior (especially with animals that travel in groups) when one animal kills another animal that is the same species, the killer animal is generally forced out of the group. Yay for scientific studies.

    So far, all your reasons for not wanting gay marriage have fallen flat.
     
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    • NarutoActor said:
    Yes, but we don't kill the same species (unless war) and get away Scott free. Animals don't have prisons, they don't have manners. They do what ever they feel they need to do.

    It's a chain reaction, where you keep pushing the binderies of what is right or wrong.
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    People have been killing other people as long as there have been other people to kill. We may be more evolved, and we may possess greater technological powers, but, we're still beasts. There is no escaping that fact.

    But what constitutes "right" and "wrong"? Your argument is invalid. Subjective terms are subjective. Your version of what is "right" is by no means the truth.
     

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    • NarutoActor said:
    Yes but those people get punished. In the animal kingdom they are not.
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    They do infact get punished, as Landorus said. Notable in wolf packs, I believe. If one turns vicious and starts attacking their own kind they are forced away or killed.

    Landorus said:
    That's actually not true. Animal behavior (especially with animals that travel in groups) when one animal kills another animal that is the same species, the killer animal is generally forced out of the group. Yay for scientific studies.

    So far, all your reasons for not wanting gay marriage have fallen flat.
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    I don't think many points about homosexual marriages are being made... he seems to be going off on a tangent about murder in the animal kingdom.
    Can that be a small reminder that talking about animals killing eachother isn't relevent to homosexual marriages at all?
     

    NarutoActor

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    • Just because people do kill, doesn't make it right. That is a scary thing if what is right or wrong, is subjective. There are fine lines that can easily say what is right or wrong. Theses basic morals are what the country was founded on. (USA)
     
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    • BareBones said:
    I don't think many points about homosexual marriages are being made... he seems to be going off on a tangent about murder in the animal kingdom.
    Can that be a small reminder that talking about animals killing eachother isn't relevent to homosexual marriages at all?
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    Well, he's trying to make the point that humans are above animals, and that homosexuality is something animals do and that humans should abandon.
     

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    • A lot of the argument herein kind of butchers the philosophy of natural rights / natural laws, lol. But without even resorting to whether or not homosexuality is inherently 'right' or 'wrong,' per se, consider this:

    What is the purpose of government? To protect the fundamental and inalienable rights of its citizens.

    Does homosexual marriage in any way damage the fundamental rights of any citizen? Certainly not. Rather, it seems that outlawing it in fact does violate the right to self-determination of homosexual citizens.

    Therefore, the government can have no hand in making it illegal. This is the case whether or not homosexuality is amenable to one's particular religious views or whatnot. It is simply not a matter on which government can issue a justified restriction.
     

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    • Landorus said:
    Well, he's trying to make the point that humans are above animals, and that homosexuality is something animals do and that humans should abandon.
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    Which is certainly to say that we should also abandon eating meat, cuddling for warmth and sex in general?

    Thank you for clearing up his point, though ^^
     

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    Sanguinius said:
    A lot of the argument herein kind of butchers the philosophy of natural rights / natural laws, lol. But without even resorting to whether or not homosexuality is inherently 'right' or 'wrong,' per se, consider this:

    What is the purpose of government? To protect the fundamental and inalienable rights of its citizens.

    Does homosexual marriage in any way damage the fundamental rights of any citizen? Certainly not. Rather, it seems that outlawing it in fact does violate the right to self-determination of homosexual citizens.

    Therefore, the government can have no hand in making it illegal. This is the case whether or not homosexuality is amenable to one's particular religious views or whatnot. It is simply not a matter on which government can issue a justified restriction.
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    The purpose of government is a debate that would warrants its own thread. I wouldn't agree with your premise.
     

    NarutoActor

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    • Sanguinius said:
    A lot of the argument herein kind of butchers the philosophy of natural rights / natural laws, lol. But without even resorting to whether or not homosexuality is inherently 'right' or 'wrong,' per se, consider this:

    What is the purpose of government? To protect the fundamental and inalienable rights of its citizens.

    Does homosexual marriage in any way damage the fundamental rights of any citizen? Certainly not. Rather, it seems that outlawing it in fact does violate the right to self-determination of homosexual citizens.

    Therefore, the government can have no hand in making it illegal. This is the case whether or not homosexuality is amenable to one's particular religious views or whatnot. It is simply not a matter on which government can issue a justified restriction.
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    I agree if that country as no morals on which to justify right or wrong. (Court of law is the essence of judging right or wrong)
     

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    NarutoActor said:
    I agree if that country as no morals on which to justify right or wrong. (Court of law is the essence of judging right or wrong)
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    Wrong. The legislative branch determines what is right or wrong. The judicial branch interprets the law.
     

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    • FreakyLocz14 said:
    The purpose of government is a debate that would warrants its own thread. I wouldn't agree with your premise.
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    What ought to be the purpose of government, sure, that deserves (and is given) much discussion.

    What actually is the basis of the modern liberal state, though - that is settled. At the very least, it is in America. Until our constitution is changed, that is the purpose for which government exists.
     
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    • BareBones said:
    Which is certainly to say that we should also abandon eating meat, cuddling for warmth and sex in general?

    Thank you for clearing up his point, though ^^
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    By his logic, yes.

    I say bring on cuddling-sexy-time with members of the same sex while eating tons of beef. Me gusta! o3o (I am obviously being sarcastic, but you get my point.)
     
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