5th Gen Pros and Cons Discussion Thread

[Derezzed]

I really do miss the Safari zone, I'm not a fan of White forest and would have loved some variation of the safari zone.

 

[Alomar]

no Pokeathlon or safari is a huge loss, obviously.

I also think the underground needs to come back, / or secret bases.

 

[dieter57]

the no fishing thing bugged me a little bit.
the underground thing was easily replaced with the Entralink. good job on that one :)
the safari zone was replaced by the dream world so it didn't bother me.
i feel that instead one step forward and two steps back, unova was three steps forward.

 

[voodoocakes]

Originally, I was pretty disappointed :/
I bought d&p but haven't bought any more games since black and white came out so I don't know about those
I miss the apps from d/p and I miss the underground.
Dream world was a pretty cool addition and it makes up for a lot, but it could be further developed still :/
Also, they could have done a little more with the seasons.

From a training stand point though, I love that you can now reset EVs, and Ev training is pretty easy.

 

[Jack Kentnon]

The only thing that bothers me, is that lack of a VS seeker. Otherwise, I could not care less about the rest.

Actually no fishing buged me a little bit. Until I foud out that there were only like, 4 water pokemon.

 

[voodoocakes]

The only thing that bothers me, is that lack of a VS seeker. Otherwise, I could not care less about the rest.

Actually no fishing buged me a little bit. Until I foud out that there were only like, 4 water pokemon.

I agree with all of this!
I've been wishing I had a vs. seeker like the whole time

 

[Sydian]

Contests and Pokethlon were replaced with Musicals. I think you're overlooking that. I wish secret bases would return, but the biggest loss for me was the follow me feature, which is probably the main reason HGSS are some of my favorite games. I mean, I want a fluffy Rufflet and a pretty Petilil following me. That's not too much to ask for, is it? <3

 

[stepher]

There are also some other things i didn't say in the original post.The first gym isn't a rock gym i know about hoenn but still,the bug type pokemon is found after the 2nd gym and the pigeon pokemon at the start.

 

[Molts]

First of all this is not a complaining thread.

IN unova there are lots of new things C-Gear,long bridges,Transfer Lab,new Elite Four style,Seasons and so on. With all these new things does anyone else feel like we lost more than we gained.In Unova we lost Contest/Pokeatholon,pokemon walking with you,old rod,saffari zone,underground and so on.I just would like to see how other people feel about this

Well I personally wasn't bothered at all that I lost, a small perk that most of the time didn't matter since the core of the game (catching and battling) where not changed or advanced, "easily catch magikarp at the start of the game", "use a horrible catching method the STOPS you from battling at all", and I don't really have anything for or against the underground... it never really did anything except give you random chances at a few items.

What Unova brought was a streamlined game play and human interaction, no access to the old world giving a new sense of exploration and "newness", something quite a few people thought was lacking in previous gens. Unova also has a very big change, the almost complete dis-requirment of an HM slave. Since the beginning of gen 1, you HAD to have HM's to get around, you needed surf and cut. This change basically gives you FULL capacity to explore the world, AND have 6 battle ready Pokemon with you. Plus the story outmatches any other pokemon by far, which shows the advancement of the series as a whole.

 

[Alomar]

I also have always been a fan of the rebattle-able Gym Leaders, not just the E4

 

[Jdwg1337]

I agree with the statement that we lost more than we gained, but the three things i miss most were the pokeradar, contests, and most importantly the underground. They gave the previous pokemon games ALOT more replay value than B/W could ever have. If i was in a shiny hunting mood, i'd use the pokeradar and it would keep me occupied for many many many hours. contests were always a fun thing to go back to ever now and then, but the best part of the game that is missing in my opinion is the Underground, It kept having me come back to pokemon diamond, it was just so addicting, making your own secret bases, planting traps, mining for fossils and stones, having freinds come into your underground. good times.

 

[Amore]

Following pokémon is a loss...however, hopefully just like they lost Cutscenes from Fr/Lg to E/D/P/Pt but then regained it in Hg/Ss, we'll get following and cutscenes restored to Hoenn, along with something else (i.e. Safari Zone similar to Hg/Ss).

Safari Zone was a loss too, but then again Dream World did replace it...if only it were less complex.


However, on the other hand, we have much better battles (battle graphics could improve though), a region less focused on HMs (I miss them all the time, even Cut from Hg/Ss, but it's a nice change), and stuff I can't remember as it's 00:36 here xD

 

[PlatinumDude]

I wanted the Pokeathlon, Game Corner and the Safari Zone in B/W, but I was sad when they were taken out.

 

[Ho-Oh]

This thread is beginning to overlap with pros/cons, since really, you're listing the pros of the games, then listing the cons and seeing if the cons outweigh the pros, just... using different words. XD Either way, merged with pros/cons.

As for me, seasons make it all worth it. :)

 

[2Cool4Mewtwo]

Pros - interesting storyline, cool new pokemon, 2 rivals instead of 1...

Cons - Nothing much interesting going on after E4. Not even unlocking 1/3 of the unova region helps imo :\

 

[Kaean]

I love a lot of black and white, which I never thought I would say. I was prepared for it to be lackluster compared to the nostalgia that was gen 1 and 2. I was happily surprised and quickly grew attached to my Pokemon. The seasons are something that is a huge plus for me, along with when and where some Pokemon and areas are available depending on it, not to mention deerling and sawsbuck actually changing form on the seasons.

Their were, however, some huge disappointments. The lack of fishing and the seemingly low number of water Pokemon for one was a huge turn off. The musicals are of no interest to me and seem kind of dumb (just my opinion). Also the removal of the Pokemon following me was rather upsetting to someone who grew extremely attached to seeing my little buddies following behind me.

All in all I see two, maybe two and a half steps forward, and 1 step back.

 

[PurpleMischief]

Bitter Disappointment *spoilers*

I filled my Unova dex last night...

So I go to Juniper and she's like "WOW, you've seen all the pokemon in the unova region!" While a victorious little tune is playing. and then she's like "Now go try to catch them all!" Which I'd already done. So then she's like "YOU CAUGHT ALL THE POKEMON IN UNOVA?! That's great, Im so glad I asked you to do this," /End

That was it. No big celebration or cut scene. No mega-cool item.

First N leaves, then the shadow triad leaves, and now this.

This game is just filled with bitter disappointments.

What were your major in game disappointments?

 

[hiff8]

yah sam happend to me it was very annoying I thought i was going to get a pokeradar which i miss SOOOOOOO MUCHHH!!!!

 

[hiff8]

I saw nothing cool in the musical you can click 2 buttons DONE, I wish the brought back contests and i really wanted the pokeradar back i still play my pearl for hunting shinys

 

[Molts]

Every game has never given you anything really special for completing the pokedex, though the game freak NPC's will give you a poster/certificate if you show them a complete pokedex(national).

The point of completing it IS the reward. Gamefreak doesn't want you to be forced into catching all the pokemon just to get some item. They want you to do because you want to, because that by itself is rewarding. This is something the series has had since the beginning, and something a lot of these newer age games should have more of. Accomplishments that are rewards by themselves, rather than spamming me with achievements.

As a disappointed, the only thing that I didn't really like was the diving area, it was really cool, but you don't have enough time to explore it. XD