Pokemon Ruby, Sapphire, & Emerald Remake Speculation Thread

[Kanto_Johto]

Reading through this thread makes me feel as though I missed out big time having not played Emerald; sounds like a great game.

However, I think the vast differences in terms of storyline between R/S and E lead me to believe that if remakes are to be made, they'll be solely remakes of R/S with the original Team Magma/Aqua storyline and with Steven as Champion (similar to how FireRed and LeafGreen didn't introduce any of Yellow's significant changes). A mixed storyline would definitely prove to be more interesting though.

 

[blue]

I said next year because they usually produce a remake a year or so after the last main title. Releasing for christmas this year would lower sales of B2W2 or the remakes as both would be pokemon's main focus for sales which is destructive to the company. At the earliest I can see a feb. or march release as it wouldn't have as drastic of an wffect on estimated sales. If not then the remakes could be next years main focus depending on what Gamefreak and Nintendo plan on doing marketing wise.

As for the caves in B2W2, watch we get trolled and they'll have either a) nothing to do with hoenn. Or b) have groudon/kyogre in them as an after game catch.

I agree, we had Platinum in September and then HGSS the following September in order for Platinum to gain a respectable amount of sales so going by past releases I'd expect them to release them around mid 2013 for Japan and then the rest will follow 5/6 months later in November/December which would actually mark the 10 year anniversary for Europe.
The caves I doubt have any relation to Kyogre & Groudon although there's still the possibility but for me I still see it as a relevant hint due to the circumstances.

 

[MiTjA]

The caves are proof that no RS remakes are in the making if anything. Theyd keep Kyogre/Groudon (or however you guys think those cave are any hint) out of BW2 if they were planning to make them stars anytime soon.

 

[blue]

Kyogre & Groudon aren't making an appearence in B2W2 IIRC. Also I've noticed that many of the sprites from Hoenn have been changed between DPPT & BW but if you look at them many have been changed to the original positioning in RSE.. just look at Swellow, Slaking, Altaria, Pelipper and more on Bulbapedia.

 

[C Payne]

I smell a 3DS remake brewing...that's some major foreshadowing there.

Here is a pic of the supposed cave exclusives in B2W2(one magma based/one water based), cut them out so as to not use the huge image. Took the pic from the CoroCoro scans posted on Serebii.

 

[Clark]

I doubt the caves will have Groudon and Kyogre in them, available for you to catch. We got Groudon and Kyogre rather recently in HGSS, and there are other legendaries with more urgent availability needs. The caves may very well be in reference to them, but that doesn't mean Groudon and Kyogre are in BW2, or that there can't be RSE remakes for that matter. And for all we know the caves might not have anything to do with RSE's legendaries; water/fire is a common theme, and if the caves have to mirror each other of course pools of magma would be used as a parallel to pools of water.

 

[blue]

Groudon and Kyogre wouldn't fit into Black & White's plot.. they have no relation and really, I doubt it's something Nintendo would do.

 

[Sydian]

Maybe they are event areas for a Kyogre and Groudon in-game event. idk.

 

[MiTjA]

...
Well then I fail to see why they are so obviously hints to anything RS related? Let alone being a clue for upcoming remakes or whatever?

People pointed to the damn colours of the "2" in the BW2 logos when they were revealed.

 

[C Payne]

I think that's more because of how much the remakes are looked forward to, along with the fact that Gen I already had it's remake. Who would have seriously guessed that they'd use those colors for an unrelated matter, aka B2 and W2?

Also, as of now, we don't know what the caves will be used for; we already got Groudon and Kyogre in HGSS recently though, as has been pointed out, and the Magma/Aqua(water) theme has nothing to do with BW, or Unova for that matter(at least not the '2 year ago' version).

With that said, I think most of us would like to see the caves as having to do with hinting of the remakes, not that they necessarily mean it. The theme popping up like that seems too...direct to be just coincidence, although we could just be getting trolled again, like was thought of further up this page.

 

[Xander Olivieri]

I think that's more because of how much the remakes are looked forward to, along with the fact that Gen I already had it's remake. Who would have seriously guessed that they'd use those colors for an unrelated matter, aka B2 and W2?

Also, as of now, we don't know what the caves will be used for; we already got Groudon and Kyogre in HGSS recently though, as has been pointed out, and the Magma/Aqua(water) theme has nothing to do with BW, or Unova for that matter(at least not the '2 year ago' version).

With that said, I think most of us would like to see the caves as having to do with hinting of the remakes, not that they necessarily mean it. The theme popping up like that seems too...direct to be just coincidence, although we could just be getting trolled again, like was thought of further up this page.

I honestly see them throwing in Groudon and Kyogre into the Story as a Post Game thing since you can most likely get into Black City/White Forest before the end of the Story. Its something trolly enough for Gamefreak to do.

 

[wombateiro]

Even if Kyogre and Groudon are going to be in those caves, I wouldn't say remakes will be denied by their presence. We know that R/S remakes won't be necessary to get Hoenn legendaries into gen 5 because we can transfer them from older games.
The main reason for R/S remakes will be to render Hoenn into modern graphics. Gamefreak's people have already rendered most of Hoenn-ish environment in gen 5. And now they've rendered lava cave which is Hoenn's signature location. Those water/lava caves look exactly like they should look in remakes.

 

[Xander Olivieri]

A Lava cave isn't Hoenn's signature environment. They had volcanoes in Kanto, Sinnoh, and Johto as well. Now there is one in Unova. Hoenn doesn't stake claim to Magma/:ava and Hoenn itself has not been rendered with Gen 5 Graphics.

 

[MiTjA]

Alright time for a proper rant from me that I've developed over the past years about this topic (lol.):

So everyone is like "RSE remakes are obvious since it happened 2 times before".
Well I disagree.
I am confident that Gamefreak realised doing this thing for a third time won't work nearly as good enough as it did for RBY/GSC.

Gen III set new standards for the whole "third version" fiasco.
It was when they figured they might as well create the initial versions with the third in the back of their minds.
Meaning they intentionally told an incomplete story from 2 sides, just so they could combine them and complete them into the full story for the third game.

You might (or not) already notice a problem this poses for remake potential.
The remakes so far, only featured the initial versions, because the third did not add anything that was such a big deal they couldn't just include it in both versions without affecting anything. If they did this for RS remakes, it would be a mess.
Meaning they would have to either remake all three games (which would just spread the sales into more titles), or have to change the main part of the plot in such drastic ways that they would not be actual remakes anymore, OR they could simply leave Rayquaza as a mysterious unexplained postcredits legend on both, which would be quite sad.

The second thing to note is that compared to the previous remade generations, gen III pretty much set the last serious mechanics upgrades, and wouldn't play much differently.
There is the special/physical split, but thats about it.
Graphically also, it was quite more developed, and had very exotic atmospheres. It had a much more distinct visual feel.

What I'm getting at here is that just adding 2 or 3 new fun places in some corner will not cut it this time. Nor will plain remakes be easily done without some adjusting of the plot.

I'm not saying I don't want to see Hoenn again. Neither am I saying we won't see it again.

But they would have to spice up their remake-business a level or two.

If I was in charge, the most obvious solution where everybody wins, seems to be in abandoning the plain remake concept (when the games are copy paste down to the point of hidden items and every single trainer roster) and do REVISITS from now on instead.

A new player, experiencing the old region but in newer times.

It is nostalgia and new at the same time.

Not to mention all the fanservice potential with meeting old characters, or their relatives now taking over their gym etc.

Just imagine how that would sell compared to the same game with newer graphics, which would maybe get them half as much as the other remakes..
"A completely new adventure in good old Hoenn. Old faces, new faces, discover the changes and the remaining mysteries"

For legendaries in particular it could for example explain more about the golems, how they relate to Regigigas.
(Also, it's about time Jirachi got an actual ingame event place like the rest.)

In short:
plain RS remakes=lame same old milking
A Hoenn sequel=potential to actually outsell previous remakes

I thought this would be the way to go, before BW2 were even announced, but with those 2 games showing us for the first time that sequels are an option, it just makes it even more likely than before!

 

[Xander Olivieri]

Alright time for a proper rant from me that I've developed over the past years about this topic (lol.):

So everyone is like "RSE remakes are obvious since it happened 2 times before".
Well I disagree.
I am confident that Gamefreak realised doing this thing for a third time won't work nearly as good enough as it did for RBY/GSC.

Gen III set new standards for the whole "third version" fiasco.
It was when they figured they might as well create the initial versions with the third in the back of their minds.
Meaning they intentionally told an incomplete story from 2 sides, just so they could combine them and complete them into the full story for the third game.

You might (or not) already notice a problem this poses for remake potential.
The remakes so far, only featured the initial versions, because the third did not add anything that was such a big deal they couldn't just include it in both versions without affecting anything. If they did this for RS remakes, it would be a mess.
Meaning they would have to either remake all three games (which would just spread the sales into more titles), or have to change the main part of the plot in such drastic ways that they would no be real remakes, OR they could simply leave Rayquaza as a mysterious unexplained postcredits legend on both, which would be quite sad.

The second thing to note is that compared to the previous remade generations, gen III pretty much set the last serious mechanics upgrades, and wouldn't play much differently.
There is the special/physical split, but thats about it.
Graphically also, it was quite more developed, and had very exotic atmospheres.

What I'm getting at here is that just adding 2 or 3 new fun places in some corner will not cut it this time. Nor will plain remakes be easily done without some adjusting of the plot.

I'm not saying I don't want to see Hoenn again. Neither am I saying we won't see it again.

But they would have to spice up their remake-business a level or two.

If I was in charge, the most obvious solution where everybody wins, seems to be in abandoning the plain remake concept (when the games are copy paste down to the point of hidden items and every single trainer roster) and do REVISITS from now on instead.

A new player, experiencing the old region but in newer times.

It is nostalgia and new at the same time.

Not to mention all the fanservice potential with meeting old characters, or their relatives now taking over their gym etc.

Just imagine how that would sell compared to the same game with newer graphics, which would maybe get them half as much as the other remakes..
"A completely new adventure in good old Hoenn. Old faces, new faces, discover the changes and the remaining mysteries"

For legendaries in particular it could for example explain more about the golems, how they relate to Regigigas.
(Also, it's about time Jirachi got an actual ingame event place like the rest.)

In short:
plain RS remakes=lame same old milking
A Hoenn sequel=potential to actually outsell previous remakes

I thought this would be the way to go, before BW2 were even announced, but with those 2 games showing us for the first time that sequels are an option, it just makes it even more likely than before!

A lot of this is what a small part of majority of the arguments had in here were about. XD

Honestly a Sequel to Hoenn would be awesome. That could easily become the 6th Generation game if they added new Pokemon to it with a new story. Even if it doesn't become a 6th Generation idea the concept of Sequels, especially for this game is an amazing one, the only question is how they would go about doing this. Unlike the other three Major teams, Aqua and Magma disbanded by themselves after seeing the error of their ways, not because some random 10 Year old thwarted us not once, but twice (Gens 1 and 2) or all major parties were Arrested/Mysteriously disappeared (Gens 4 and 5).

Aqua and Magma just gave up after realizing their goals only to find out their goals were bad. So that would pretty much require a new bad guy team as well as a new focal legend cause (even though) Kyogre/Groudon/Rayquaza may or may not have been caught since it wasn't mandatory to the stories to catch them.

 

[MiTjA]

A lot of this is what a small part of majority of the arguments had in here were about. XD

Honestly a Sequel to Hoenn would be awesome. That could easily become the 6th Generation game if they added new Pokemon to it with a new story. Even if it doesn't become a 6th Generation idea the concept of Sequels, especially for this game is an amazing one, the only question is how they would go about doing this. Unlike the other three Major teams, Aqua and Magma disbanded by themselves after seeing the error of their ways, not because some random 10 Year old thwarted us not once, but twice (Gens 1 and 2) or all major parties were Arrested/Mysteriously disappeared (Gens 4 and 5).

Aqua and Magma just gave up after realizing their goals only to find out their goals were bad. So that would pretty much require a new bad guy team as well as a new focal legend cause (even though) Kyogre/Groudon/Rayquaza may or may not have been caught since it wasn't mandatory to the stories to catch them.

I've been wondering about that.

Yes, the awesome way to pull this off would be by making it an actual new generation.

The other way I can see it, they could do some ancient formes thing on us, but that would be pushing it lol... and its not like people arent pissed off by formes in particular atm for some silly reason.

With the VI gen way, it would obviously be a Johto/Sinnoh-like thing, with maybe adding a hundred pokes that mostly consist of hidden special stuff, with the common ones being Hoenn focused and introducing moar big deal legends.

Or... they could make you start off on a new landmass located northwest of Hoenn, but let you visit it, ie what Johto was for Kanto.

Anyhow. I want a giant orange nasty Ground/Bug alt evo for Trapinch then! ): <

Villainous team you say.
Get all the bored passionate Aqua/Magma grunts together, merge them into a single new environmental group, and call them Team Gaia. Ba dum tssss.
Create appropriate legends focused on nature and the stage is set. Besides, its time for an important Grass type legendary Id say.
:E

But yes my point is, anything but plain old remakes involving Hoenn should be the smarter move.

Ive been quite confident for a while that gen VI is gotta be a complimenting gen for Unova. But I figured Unova is much better rounded up and has a feel of completness on its own, not to mention BW2 essentially pulls a Johto trick without using new pokemon already... so who knows what they plan lol...

 

[OmegaRuby and AlphaSapphire]

Sequel for Remakes...imagine Ruby Rayquaza and a Sapphire Rayquaza formes xD Or maybe a stronger forme for Groudon and Kyogre to make them equal to Rayquaza stat wise.
Though the evil team thing is interesting because of what Xander said...unless they make a Team Sky who wants to capture Rayquaza...rule the skies and you rule the world...

 

[wombateiro]

A Lava cave isn't Hoenn's signature environment.

This is arguable because even though there are volcanoes in other regions, flowing magma inside of the cave is something shown only in Hoenn (and in Unova, as we know now) There is some flowing magma only outside Stark Mountain in Sinnoh as well, but not inside the cave.

Having two alternate caves in two versions, one water based and another magma based is another Hoenn-ish element put into gen 5, increasing possibility of R/S remakes in gen 5.

 

[MiTjA]

This is arguable because even though there are volcanoes in other regions, flowing magma inside of the cave is something shown only in Hoenn (and in Unova, as we know now) There is some flowing magma only outside Stark Mountain in Sinnoh as well, but not inside the cave.

Having two alternate caves in two versions, one water based and another magma based is another Hoenn-ish element put into gen 5, increasing possibility of R/S remakes in gen 5.

"Lets put the lava only outside Stark Mountain, so we can use it as an obvious hint for RS remakes in the future by leaving it a Hoenn-ish element"
No.

May I ask what other Hoenn-ish elements in BW2 you are talking about?

And how does putting Hoenn-ish stuff in BW2 increase the possibility of RS remakes? I could argue it lowers it.

 

[KingSchmoe]

As true as all of these points are, they could just be references to the earlier generations. There are probably references to the other generations as well. I haven't played any gen after 3, so I wouldn't know. Try to look for some!

Also, your speculation on the Elite 4 and the Bird-Type Pokemon seems a bit forced.