Will Serena actually be in the sun and moon anime?

[jjc927]

Did Ash ever visit them and, more importantly, literally put his goals on hold half-way through his current trek in a region for him to do so? No? Then why should they do that? As far as I'm concerned, if Ash isn't going to do it, then neither should the other characters, hence another reason for the regional limit. I mean, when did Ash EVER visit May and Iris in Johto during his trek in Sinnoh and Kalos? When did he EVER visit Dawn in Hoenn during his trek in Unova? The same goes for Serena as well. Now, with Misty and Iris, their goals AREN'T limited to regions, and in the case of the former, going to Alola would aid her goal far more than at Cerulean gym (especially when she didn't even like that area). And I'd say the same for the likes of Brock and Cilan as well, heck, even Clemont and Bonnie.

Do you really think anyone besides hardcore fans are going to think in these terms? They could make up any reason they want to bring back whichever character they decide. It would be for nothing but fanservice.

 

[Piii]

True that ash doesn't go visiting but it doesn't have to stop the others from visiting him. But we have to wait and see. If for the whole region, there is no older companion returning then that is that. Expectations can be low but it is not impossible either.

I rather see Misty/Iris both make cameos re-appearance then May/Dawn anyday. Serena is not coming back to the show and if they do bring her back it would only be for fan service, she doesn't have a good reason to return and her crush on Ash could have gone further.

 

[Alexander18]

I rather see Misty/Iris both make cameos re-appearance then May/Dawn anyday. Serena is not coming back to the show and if they do bring her back it would only be for fan service, she doesn't have a good reason to return and her crush on Ash could have gone further.

Misty yes. Iris no because her character was bad. I actually want may and dawn to return. Serena i am hoping never reappears.

 

[weedle_mchairybug]

Do you really think anyone besides hardcore fans are going to think in these terms? They could make up any reason they want to bring back whichever character they decide. It would be for nothing but fanservice.

Having Ash leave his current region randomly and going to another region simply to visit his friends in that region, even when his journey is left unfinished, is also just as much nothing but fanservice as simply having the girls appear, arguably even more fanservice than the type you are describing because it would be OOC for Ash to just interrupt his own goal and doing so for no real reason besides just doing it to cheaply appeal to fans. I may not have liked May, but at least with her cameo in the Sinnoh region, it was justified not only by Pokémon Contests being present in the region, but also the whole Wallace Cup that had a trans-regional ribbon. Dawn's cameo was flat out pointless in BW, and having Serena cameo would be even more pointless, regardless of whether she's still going for her Kalos Queen goal or choosing to become a Coordinator. In fact, the only ones who actually COULD cameo and have it not be of any particular problem with their goals is Misty (since Misty's sisters already forced her out of her goal anyway the moment they forced her to resume Gym Leader duties, not to mention her traveling, whether with Ash or by herself, would actually benefit her in the long run, and she doesn't exactly have a regional limit to her goal unlike with May, Dawn, or Serena) and Iris (who due to the nature of her goal, has no actual limit there). Oh, and also Brock and possibly Cilan as well. And yes, actually, I'm pretty sure most fans would operate under that premise and not just "hard-core fans."

@Alexander18: You do know there's a trope called "Rescued from the Scrappy Heap", right? Well, try to imagine Iris reappearing as a means to actually salvage her character. And besides, unlike Serena, she has no regional restraint there. I do agree about Serena, though.

@Piii: Pretty much agree there regarding May/Dawn, and the bit about Serena. And even IF I wanted May/Dawn to reappear, they have no reason to return for the same reason why Serena doesn't.

 

[Alexander18]

Having Ash leave his current region randomly and going to another region simply to visit his friends in that region, even when his journey is left unfinished, is also just as much nothing but fanservice as simply having the girls appear, arguably even more fanservice than the type you are describing because it would be OOC for Ash to just interrupt his own goal and doing so for no real reason besides just doing it to cheaply appeal to fans. I may not have liked May, but at least with her cameo in the Sinnoh region, it was justified not only by Pokémon Contests being present in the region, but also the whole Wallace Cup that had a trans-regional ribbon. Dawn's cameo was flat out pointless in BW, and having Serena cameo would be even more pointless, regardless of whether she's still going for her Kalos Queen goal or choosing to become a Coordinator. In fact, the only ones who actually COULD cameo and have it not be of any particular problem with their goals is Misty (since Misty's sisters already forced her out of her goal anyway the moment they forced her to resume Gym Leader duties, not to mention her traveling, whether with Ash or by herself, would actually benefit her in the long run, and she doesn't exactly have a regional limit to her goal unlike with May, Dawn, or Serena) and Iris (who due to the nature of her goal, has no actual limit there). Oh, and also Brock and possibly Cilan as well. And yes, actually, I'm pretty sure most fans would operate under that premise and not just "hard-core fans."

@Alexander18: You do know there's a trope called "Rescued from the Scrappy Heap", right? Well, try to imagine Iris reappearing as a means to actually salvage her character. And besides, unlike Serena, she has no regional restraint there. I do agree about Serena, though.

@Piii: Pretty much agree there regarding May/Dawn, and the bit about Serena. And even IF I wanted May/Dawn to reappear, they have no reason to return for the same reason why Serena doesn't.

I rather iris didn't return or serena. Dawn and May don't need a reason to return. They csn return if they want to.

 

[weedle_mchairybug]

I rather iris didn't return or serena. Dawn and May don't need a reason to return. They csn return if they want to.

If that was the case, please explain why in DP, they needed to have a Wallace Cup and a transregional ribbon to even justify May reappearing? And either way, if Ash doesn't bother interrupting his own journey to visit friends, even when he doesn't need a reason to do so, I see zero reason why May, Dawn, and Serena should do the same.

Now, that BEING said, IF I had to choose one of those three to return, I'd probably choose May, though even there, that's only because by this time, she probably would have already completed Sinnoh, not to mention Johto, and thus probably have travelled all regions that have contests, and then we might get some insight as to what her rankings were. In other words, by that point, a regional limit probably won't even matter since she'll have challenged all contest regions anyways. Dawn, we're not even sure if she's even gone to Kanto or Johto, or if she's still in Hoenn, so she's in the gray area and thus we cannot be sure what her current status is. And as far as Serena, she just started her Hoenn trek, so it's extremely unlikely that she'll go to Alola while she still has a journey to go to.

 

[Piii]

Misty yes. Iris no because her character was bad. I actually want may and dawn to return. Serena i am hoping never reappears.

Serena was just as bad as Iris. May/Dawn don't need to comeback because they were nothing more but blend boring characters. I rather for Misty to make a comeback because her character was really good throughout the Kanto/Johto anime. I highly doubt that Serena will make a cameo re-appearance.

 

[weedle_mchairybug]

Serena was just as bad as Iris. May/Dawn don't need to comeback because they were nothing more but blend boring characters. I rather for Misty to make a comeback because her character was really good throughout the Kanto/Johto anime. I highly doubt that Serena will make a cameo re-appearance.

Agreed (and BTW, Alexander18 agrees with you about Serena), and besides, at least the other female characters are actually working towards their goals whether they revisit Ash or not. At least we know they are pursuing their goals when they left (and in the case of Serena, changed her vocation of her own volition, with that Strangelove-like lady merely giving her a suggested course of action). Misty was practically robbed of her goal at the end of Johto. Of all the characters who left, it's Misty who deserves a return first and foremost especially after the shabby treatment she got at the end of Johto, heck, even in her last full appearance in AG. Serena at least has a Coordinating goal in Hoenn that she actually chose for herself, so she doesn't need a return (especially when her returning would if anything ensure even more flames against her due to the implication that she gave up her goal to be with Ash).

 

[Alexander18]

Serena was just as bad as Iris. May/Dawn don't need to comeback because they were nothing more but blend boring characters. I rather for Misty to make a comeback because her character was really good throughout the Kanto/Johto anime. I highly doubt that Serena will make a cameo re-appearance.

No. May and Dawn are just as good as Misty. Serena and iris turned out to be disappointments. Lillie is disappointing too.

Agreed (and BTW, Alexander18 agrees with you about Serena), and besides, at least the other female characters are actually working towards their goals whether they revisit Ash or not. At least we know they are pursuing their goals when they left (and in the case of Serena, changed her vocation of her own volition, with that Strangelove-like lady merely giving her a suggested course of action). Misty was practically robbed of her goal at the end of Johto. Of all the characters who left, it's Misty who deserves a return first and foremost especially after the shabby treatment she got at the end of Johto, heck, even in her last full appearance in AG. Serena at least has a Coordinating goal in Hoenn that she actually chose for herself, so she doesn't need a return (especially when her returning would if anything ensure even more flames against her due to the implication that she gave up her goal to be with Ash).

I only agree that serena is a character that should not return so i don't know what you are saying.

 

[weedle_mchairybug]

No. May and Dawn are just as good as Misty. Serena and iris turned out to be disappointments. Lillie is disappointing too.

I saw them, they weren't. If anything, they're about as bad as what you claim Iris and Serena are (heck, May literally started off not even liking Pokémon at all, meaning she had zero reason to even be doing a Pokémon Trainer or even journeying, much less travelling with Ash. And I don't care if she received Character Development or not, a person who hates Pokémon should not even do the career of Pokémon training. As stupid and pointless as I think Serena's crush on Ash was, at least it made her desire to journey with Ash somewhat relevant, which is more than can be said about May.), and technically, Dawn didn't even need to travel with Ash, since she did well enough by herself. Either way, Serena really has no need to return.

I only agree that serena is a character that should not return so i don't know what you are saying.

Piii when he responding to you indicated he thought Serena was as bad as Iris in a way that sounded like he disagreed with you. I only pointed out to him that he if anything agrees with you regarding Serena. That message was not meant to be directed at you.

 

[Alexander18]

I saw them, they weren't. If anything, they're about as bad as what you claim Iris and Serena are (heck, May literally started off not even liking Pokémon at all, meaning she had zero reason to even be doing a Pokémon Trainer or even journeying, much less travelling with Ash. And I don't care if she received Character Development or not, a person who hates Pokémon should not even do the career of Pokémon training. As stupid and pointless as I think Serena's crush on Ash was, at least it made her desire to journey with Ash somewhat relevant, which is more than can be said about May.), and technically, Dawn didn't even need to travel with Ash, since she did well enough by herself. Either way, Serena really has no need to return.



Piii when he responding to you indicated he thought Serena was as bad as Iris in a way that sounded like he disagreed with you. I only pointed out to him that he if anything agrees with you regarding Serena. That message was not meant to be directed at you.

Actually no. May and Dawn are far superior to Serena, Iris and Lillie. They and misty were the best female companions. It went downhill when iris came into the picture. Serena was just as bad. Lillie is no different either.

 

[Rad Dudesman]

I don't see how Lillie is as bad as Serena.

Lillie actually does stuff, has had meaningful character development (no Serena fans, cutting your hair and changing your clothes is not character development) and has a personality beyond wanting to get into Ash's pants.

 

[Piii]

I saw them, they weren't. If anything, they're about as bad as what you claim Iris and Serena are (heck, May literally started off not even liking Pokémon at all, meaning she had zero reason to even be doing a Pokémon Trainer or even journeying, much less travelling with Ash. And I don't care if she received Character Development or not, a person who hates Pokémon should not even do the career of Pokémon training. As stupid and pointless as I think Serena's crush on Ash was, at least it made her desire to journey with Ash somewhat relevant, which is more than can be said about May.), and technically, Dawn didn't even need to travel with Ash, since she did well enough by herself. Either way, Serena really has no need to return.



Piii when he responding to you indicated he thought Serena was as bad as Iris in a way that sounded like he disagreed with you. I only pointed out to him that he if anything agrees with you regarding Serena. That message was not meant to be directed at you.

Agreed (and BTW, Alexander18 agrees with you about Serena), and besides, at least the other female characters are actually working towards their goals whether they revisit Ash or not. At least we know they are pursuing their goals when they left (and in the case of Serena, changed her vocation of her own volition, with that Strangelove-like lady merely giving her a suggested course of action). Misty was practically robbed of her goal at the end of Johto. Of all the characters who left, it's Misty who deserves a return first and foremost especially after the shabby treatment she got at the end of Johto, heck, even in her last full appearance in AG. Serena at least has a Coordinating goal in Hoenn that she actually chose for herself, so she doesn't need a return (especially when her returning would if anything ensure even more flames against her due to the implication that she gave up her goal to be with Ash).

No. May and Dawn are just as good as Misty. Serena and iris turned out to be disappointments. Lillie is disappointing too.


I only agree that serena is a character that should not return so i don't know what you are saying.

May and Dawn were just as bad as Serena and Iris put together. Serena really doesn't need to come back and besides she's all the way in Hoenn now doing contests, and that's were she belongs. SM anime already have great female characters like Lillie Mallow and Lana that will get really great character development.

 

[weedle_mchairybug]

Actually no. May and Dawn are far superior to Serena, Iris and Lillie. They and misty were the best female companions. It went downhill when iris came into the picture. Serena was just as bad. Lillie is no different either.

I'm sorry, but I really fail to see how a person who started out hypocritically going on a Pokémon trainer journey even when she downright hated Pokémon is at all a good character, period, regardless of whether she's comparable to Serena or not. I'm no Serena fan, and I'm certainly not fond with how Amourshipping was handled by any stretch, but at least she had an actual reason for joining Ash even if she didn't have a good reason to go on a journey, at least she didn't outright HATE Pokémon, while May should NOT even be a trainer in the first place if her hatred of Pokémon in the beginning is anything to go by. And quite frankly, her relationship with Manaphy was soured the second she let Phantom abduct it and made absolutely no attempt at stopping him or even doing anything to save him in what was supposed to be her movie (That's essentially your kid there. Mothers would do ANYTHING in their power to save what is essentially their own child. If this were Misty in her position, you'd bet that she'd do everything she can to save Manaphy).

And as far as Dawn, she literally retreaded May's goal, probably the only real difference is that unlike May, Dawn actually wanted to be a coordinator from the very start, and overall from watching the first few episode, I tried to get into Dawn, but just couldn't, with the Buneary episode eventually killing off any likeability I might have found in Dawn. And even if I DID like May and Dawn, especially to the degree that you do, I still wouldn't see any reason for them to return largely because there aren't any contests in Alola (in fact, of May, Dawn, and Serena, only May I could plausibly see possibly visiting Alola, and that's only because she most likely would have already taken care of Johto and Sinnoh by that time anyways, as we already saw her trek in Hoenn and Kanto, and thus she probably won't be impacted by the regional limit nearly as much.).

And quite frankly, like I said earlier, I doubt Serena would have much chance to return, especially when her returning would actually cause some rather negative implications about her possibly ditching her goal so she can be with Ash in a romantic manner.

And I'm not going to speak for Lillie since, like Serena, I don't have much of a clue on what her character is like, as unlike AG or DP, I've never watched even a second of Best Wishes, Sun and Moon, or XY.

 

[Alexander18]

May and Dawn were just as bad as Serena and Iris put together. Serena really doesn't need to come back and besides she's all the way in Hoenn now doing contests, and that's were she belongs. SM anime already have great female characters like Lillie Mallow and Lana that will get really great character development.

Nope. Misty, May and Dawn are the best. Lillie is the worst like iris and serena.

I'm sorry, but I really fail to see how a person who started out hypocritically going on a Pokémon trainer journey even when she downright hated Pokémon is at all a good character, period, regardless of whether she's comparable to Serena or not. I'm no Serena fan, and I'm certainly not fond with how Amourshipping was handled by any stretch, but at least she had an actual reason for joining Ash even if she didn't have a good reason to go on a journey, at least she didn't outright HATE Pokémon, while May should NOT even be a trainer in the first place if her hatred of Pokémon in the beginning is anything to go by. And quite frankly, her relationship with Manaphy was soured the second she let Phantom abduct it and made absolutely no attempt at stopping him or even doing anything to save him in what was supposed to be her movie (That's essentially your kid there. Mothers would do ANYTHING in their power to save what is essentially their own child. If this were Misty in her position, you'd bet that she'd do everything she can to save Manaphy).

And as far as Dawn, she literally retreaded May's goal, probably the only real difference is that unlike May, Dawn actually wanted to be a coordinator from the very start, and overall from watching the first few episode, I tried to get into Dawn, but just couldn't, with the Buneary episode eventually killing off any likeability I might have found in Dawn. And even if I DID like May and Dawn, especially to the degree that you do, I still wouldn't see any reason for them to return largely because there aren't any contests in Alola (in fact, of May, Dawn, and Serena, only May I could plausibly see possibly visiting Alola, and that's only because she most likely would have already taken care of Johto and Sinnoh by that time anyways, as we already saw her trek in Hoenn and Kanto, and thus she probably won't be impacted by the regional limit nearly as much.).

And quite frankly, like I said earlier, I doubt Serena would have much chance to return, especially when her returning would actually cause some rather negative implications about her possibly ditching her goal so she can be with Ash in a romantic manner.

And I'm not going to speak for Lillie since, like Serena, I don't have much of a clue on what her character is like, as unlike AG or DP, I've never watched even a second of Best Wishes, Sun and Moon, or XY.

Incorrect. May and Dawn are great companions. They deserve to come back. Misty too. But not the ones after Dawn.

 

[weedle_mchairybug]

Nope. Misty, May and Dawn are the best. Lillie is the worst like iris and serena.



Incorrect. May and Dawn are great companions. They deserve to come back. Misty too. But not the ones after Dawn.

No, not really, and even if they truly WERE great companions and deserved a return, they'd still have the problem of regional limitations regarding Pokémon Contests if they are to return, not to mention actually justify them returning in a way that it doesn't actually interfere with their goals. Now, if they mention they just took care of whatever current contest region they did and (in the case of Dawn and Serena at least) are trying to figure out where to go next and are on vacation until then, I can sort of see the plausibility of May, Dawn, and even Serena returning.

 

[Alexander18]

No, not really, and even if they truly WERE great companions and deserved a return, they'd still have the problem of regional limitations regarding Pokémon Contests if they are to return, not to mention actually justify them returning in a way that it doesn't actually interfere with their goals. Now, if they mention they just took care of whatever current contest region they did and (in the case of Dawn and Serena at least) are trying to figure out where to go next and are on vacation until then, I can sort of see the plausibility of May, Dawn, and even Serena returning.

Actually they are great companions. Majority wins. Only iris, serena and lillie fail. May and Dawn don't need to do contests to visit the region. They can come if they like.

 

[weedle_mchairybug]

Actually they are great companions. Majority wins. Only iris, serena and lillie fail. May and Dawn don't need to do contests to visit the region. They can come if they like.

You DO realize I mentioned a vacation in my prior post as a possible way to justify them appearing and that they specifically finished one contest cup and are trying to decide on which one, right?

And not according to that Japanese poll. If anything, May and Dawn are less popular than Misty, and even Serena managed to beat them out (or at the very least, even if they were popular, the fans certainly saw less need of them returning than they do Misty or Serena for that matter). The Japanese fans saw no reason for May and Dawn to return (ranking in fourth and fifth place), while Misty ranks third, and Serena ranks second, and Brock of all people ranks first. Of course, that's not indicating whether they were favorites, but it does indicate that, at the very least, the Japanese fans consider May and Dawn to be of lower priority than Misty or even Serena regarding a return.

 

[Alexander18]

You DO realize I mentioned a vacation in my prior post as a possible way to justify them appearing and that they specifically finished one contest cup and are trying to decide on which one, right?

And not according to that Japanese poll. If anything, May and Dawn are less popular than Misty, and even Serena managed to beat them out (or at the very least, even if they were popular, the fans certainly saw less need of them returning than they do Misty or Serena for that matter). The Japanese fans saw no reason for May and Dawn to return (ranking in fourth and fifth place), while Misty ranks third, and Serena ranks second, and Brock of all people ranks first. Of course, that's not indicating whether they were favorites, but it does indicate that, at the very least, the Japanese fans consider May and Dawn to be of lower priority than Misty or even Serena regarding a return.

Serena ranks last just like iris and serena in my opinion. Misty, Dawn and May take first over them anyday.

 

[weedle_mchairybug]

Serena ranks last just like iris and serena in my opinion. Misty, Dawn and May take first over them anyday.

If it's in your personal list, fine, but don't act like it's a majority of fans who like May and Dawn. And either way, the one thing we can definitely agree on is that, even with that poll, there's definitely not much of a chance for Serena to make an appearance in Alola even if she was good. And for the record, use logic instead of your personal feelings, if Serena can't rejoin Ash, what makes you think May and Dawn would rejoin him in Alola? Even if I had your exact feelings for May and Dawn as well as Serena, I'd STILL say they'd probably not have a chance at rejoining, if Serena can't rejoin due to being busy in Hoenn, I see zero reason why May and Dawn would rejoin him for pretty much the same reasons (being busy with their goals, and Alola not even having contests). The closest any of them has any chance is May, and that's only because by this time, she's most likely finished with Johto and Sinnoh. In any case, like I said earlier, we can at least agree on Serena.