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Happily Never After II [Villains Win!]

ASDBUDDY

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  • first of all Bidoof FTW! literally.
    The pulled through <3

    on the other hand i felt, a lot of hate from vragon, who mostly accused me of not doing anything basically, which seems rather ironic seeing they barely made more than 4 posts two of which were accusing me of not giving opinon, or wait wasn't that what you other two posts are.

    also samething could be said about you, using the "post/contribution dynamic" that nakuzami so generously gave to us. whilst i could see barely anything from your part as well vragon.
    it just felt ike you were trying to turn the ppl against me by taking advantage of the fact that I couldn't speak.

    Edit: voting [Vote] Vragon for now for a poke.
    if any credible information is presented in the day, i will change my vote accordingly.
     
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    Vragon

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    first of all Bidoof FTW! literally.
    The pulled through <3

    on the other hand i felt, a lot of hate from vragon, who mostly accused me of not doing anything basically, which seems rather ironic seeing they barely made more than 4 posts two of which were accusing me of not giving opinon, or wait wasn't that what you other two posts are.

    also samething could be said about you, using the "post/contribution dynamic" that nakuzami so generously gave to us. whilst i could see barely anything from your part as well vragon.
    it just felt ike you were trying to turn the ppl against me by taking advantage of the fact that I couldn't speak.

    Edit: voting [Vote] Vragon for now for a poke.
    if any credible information is presented in the day, i will change my vote accordingly.

    You were but one of peeps that I was talking about. I didn't accuse you of not doing anything, this is what I said and even then just using you as an example of someone I was more suspicious of
    For example:
    ASD buddy always being a yes man and either repeating the same reasoning as others or doing simple reaction comments. I mean, buddy has given some talking points, but they've been more centered around agreeing with Nakuzima.
    And I find even more suspect you immediately jump to defense while also taking me (even if slightly) out of context. I hadn't made a decision on who I'd focus on as I also stated. So tell me again, how my four comments were mainly accusing you when only 1 comment called you out specifically on something I thought (my latest one in fact). The other just mentioned you as peeps I'm suspicious of. Overall, I'm getting an even bigger scum vibe from you.

    I'll avoid voting for now, but I'd seriously reconsider your defense, princess.
     

    ASDBUDDY

    The Derp
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  • i said that two of your comments were accusing me of being a "yes man" or "not stating original opinion" whilst that too be untrue, since yes i have agreed with bidoof and nakuzamiat on point or the other i have also provided with my own opinion, whilst you have done relatively not much, and are using my example while you are a prime example of that thing yourself.

    especially since i couldn't talk back which was becoming quite apparent by that point, yet you were using examples of other players to show that how they aren't contributing much.
    and that is surprising coming from you. Princess.
     
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    Vragon

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    i said that two of your comments were accusing me of being a "yes man" or "not stating original opinion" whilst that too be untrue, since yes i have agreed with bidoof and nakuzamiat on point or the other i have also provided with my own opinion, whilst you have done relatively not much, and are using my example while you are a prime example of that thing yourself.

    especially since i couldn't talk back which was becoming quite apparent by that point, yet you were using examples of other players to show that how they aren't contributing much.
    and that is surprising coming from you. Princess.

    I will say that I did find one example of you stating something new and originally thought, (that one being the whole president theory) and if there are more please point them out, but I fail to see how you can use that on me. Yes, I haven't had too many posts, but out of all my posts
    1) was agreeing with Nakizuma's logic and saying I had nothing to add. Also, it was to indicate who I was voting for
    2) Was the whole Llama biting and me pointing out that the Llama bites weren't lethal.
    3) was giving my thoughts and other suspicions I had more than for L'lbelle which was an answer to the comment made by the person in question earlier.
    4) Gave you as an example (just cause you were one. I could have given someone else) and I also point out that you have given out some points. The two comments below are that are in question.

    It was more or less what I saw rather than the peeps that got on you. Namely your defense, but that isn't as much of a detriment as others I've noticed.

    For example:
    ASD buddy always being a yes man and either repeating the same reasoning as others or doing simple reaction comments. I mean, buddy has given some talking points, but they've been more centered around agreeing with Nakuzima.

    I'm also have an eye on Bidoof as well due to diverting from the llamas and all. I'm not saying it isn't justified, but at the same time it kinda seems off to divert away from the Llamas and go into a talk about how we don't know the roles out there. I mean, that's true, but why exactly talk about roles now when peeps are llamas? Also, it was potion left by Rabi at Nakuzima's doorstep I theorize what caused the Llama bit so it obviously isn't too malice.
    1) I gave you credit for some talking points, just that your comments have been more centered around agreeing with Nakuzami.
    2) I also point out Bidoof. You being under my suspicion doesn't mean you are my primary suspect.

    Salzorrah has had the latest bite and while I don't think it is a lethal thing, there is the chance I'm wrong. I'm certain that it isn't enough of a reason for me to vote either. Personally, I'm a little suspicious of ASD for inactivity and not much of a new contribution or at least seeming to be more of an affirmer rather than actually making an analysis.
    Also, I agree on L'Belle being suspicious as well as PurpleCicadia being off. I'm not certain on exactly who I'd lynch yet so it still up for deliberating.
    This one only talked about a possible suspicion with you. I will admit I didn't see the President bit earlier. However, you have yet to actually prove the notion I haven't contributed when 3 out of my 4 comments brought up my suspicions and why I thought them as well as address my analysis on the Llama incident.

    Good point, but that's still a claim. It would suck if we lost our magic mirror, but I don't think that's enough reason to not still suspect or treat at least with scrutiny.

    Also, I think that those that are Llamas won't be able to vote so we have to be sure on this. For all we know all/none/or some of the mafia may be Llamas.
    And this one here (while not mentioning you) does point out we should jump on the anti-mirror bandwagon without treating it with scrutiny and a talk on the mafia being potential llamas so we need to be sure.

    I have class now so I won't be able to respond if you give more points, however I think I've pointed out the folly of your accusation (and while I give you credit on one of my assertions not being 100% correct as well as a guilty pleasure of enjoying your stylish vocab in your defense, though I will say it is quite odd for you to do that out of nowhere).

    Also, notice how only one of us immediately lynched the other because he felt threatened. This isn't a reasonable approach. I would expect a defense/counter but giving me your point merely for being suspected only adds to it for me.
     
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    ASDBUDDY

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  • my vote first and foremost was intended as a poke rather than a retaliation for being threatened. which i stated that i would change my vote if there was more credible information abbout the mafia or the third party was brought up.

    second i didn't see that one of your posts was a reply.
    but to some points i still stand about your agreeing with nakuzamipost was kinda a parallel of what you brought up against me.
    i'll disregard the vote post since that wasn't meant to be anything else and i should have done that from the start.

    what got me to take a step towards you was that you were mentioning me quite a bit even if as an example while though you weren't far of from it, but that it could easily have provoked other people namely Newstie who seems to have a vendetta against me, idk.
    and the fact i couldn't defend myself.

    also i see that your contribution about some of the llamas being maf and that was a completely valid point though idoof did respond to that adequately.

    all in all my intention was to get you to speak on this, and not completely scum reading, leaning at that time yes, but reading no.

    i'll give support to that statement by
    [Unvote] Vragon
     

    Vragon

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    my vote first and foremost was intended as a poke rather than a retaliation for being threatened. which i stated that i would change my vote if there was more credible information abbout the mafia or the third party was brought up.

    second i didn't see that one of your posts was a reply.
    but to some points i still stand about your agreeing with nakuzamipost was kinda a parallel of what you brought up against me.
    i'll disregard the vote post since that wasn't meant to be anything else and i should have done that from the start.

    what got me to take a step towards you was that you were mentioning me quite a bit even if as an example while though you weren't far of from it, but that it could easily have provoked other people namely Newstie who seems to have a vendetta against me, idk.
    and the fact i couldn't defend myself.

    also i see that your contribution about some of the llamas being maf and that was a completely valid point though idoof did respond to that adequately.

    all in all my intention was to get you to speak on this, and not completely scum reading, leaning at that time yes, but reading no.

    i'll give support to that statement by
    [Unvote] Vragon
    Fair, I apparently failed to get the joke heh. But yeah, I might suspect you, but I reserve my judgement for near the end. Though I can say the initial scum readings I had are less now and I'm glad we both could see the (flaws) in what we talked about. (Mine with your post and yours with my Llama bit)
     

    Nakuzami

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  • So I don't understand why Miah didn't get lynched?
    First two assumptions that come to mind are a Governor role or possibly help from Grandma Tala, depending on what that role actually does.

    If it's the former, I would assume that either Miah is the Governor role, or whoever is decided to trust her and let her live.

    If it's the latter, then not much info immediately presents itself from that, other than a better idea of what Grandma Tala might be able to do.
     

    Nakuzami

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  • wat

    o huh, I'm still alive.

    I think Naku is correct. THANK YOU SO MUCH GOVERNOR <3
    Well that's an unsatisfactory answer.

    I'm debating asking you for a claim.




    As it stands, I believe that the four remaining mafia and grandma tala are among Miah, aeternum, Desox, Kiyotaka Ishimaru, jdthebud, Vragon and ASDBUDDY

    Though I have more of a townread on jd, but that doesn't mean too much to me right now.

    Which means only two out of those seven are innocent, I believe.
     

    Nakuzami

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  • Okay darlings, we're about seventeen hours into this day phase and things have been far too quiet for my liking.

    I have an idea that I'd like to try out. Instead of asking for role claims outright at this point in time, I'd like to ask for night action claims/hypoclaims.

    Most roles in the game have some form of night action involving visits with another player. I want everyone to state which players that they have visited, but not necessarily what they did to those players. For anyone who doesn't have a role that visits, they may hypoclaim, i.e. make up a list of false visits as if they were a different role.

    Additionally, if everyone could take a glance at this list of roles and what I'm surmising that they do and simply state "correct" or "incorrect" in regards to your own role and whether or not I've properly labeled your abilit(y/ies), that would be swell.

    Spoiler:

    I'd like to see the reception of this idea before doing anything with it, but if it's a no go, then I'll have to start asking for more direct claims.




    Also, for the sake of some prodding

    Vote aeternum
     

    Kiyotaka Ishimaru

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  • Fletch as Null, but Maybe Townlean
    - > As far as I know, he hasn't really given much contribution in-game, but he has been sharing information he's gotten from Night Actions, so I may be inclined to townlean him if only for that.

    Miah as Scumread
    - > She hasn't been as active too, but I find her posting more scummy due to its nature being filler-ish. Also, her defense against being voted seems suspicious to me. It isn't solid and the aggressive stance smells scummy because I don't quite see town!Miah doing such a move. I'm opposed as to why Governor (if that was actually correct) saved her from the lynch.

    aeternum as Scumlean
    - > I find it hard to read him because of his low post count or activity but nearly all his posts are CWAC, so I'm inclined to scumread him for now.

    L'Belle as UnCCd Magic Mirror (Penguin)
    - > I have to admit L'Belle was initially scummy for me, but despite that, the claim is verifiable, so I find him as town.

    TheUncreativeSawsbuckFan as UnCCd Cruella (Blacksmith)
    - > I find his behavior scummy and too panic-ish, so much so that the only point where he looks town is because of his claim, which is also verifiable.

    Newtsie as Scumlean
    - > I find him being kinda scummy because of his posts which are not really contributory; however, the main reason I'm scumleaning on him is because of his attempt to use a soft-claim as his only defense and making full use of that soft-claim to avoid getting the heat.

    Desox as Null
    - > I find it somehow hard to read him. Some of his behavior is scummy like his actions yesterday regarding the llamas, but some other posts are townish with his previous contributions.

    Nakuzami as Townread, but semi-suspicious
    - > I know Naku's townie, very townie, but I can't help to think that maybe this is a repeat of WitchHunt, so though I townread him the most among all players, I'll choose to keep watch of him.

    purplecicada as Null, but maybe Townlean
    - > She hasn't really said much either and making my reading on her more difficult, but I think that scum!purplecicada would post less too, but more of having a townish feel as I think her scum game is kinda decent.

    Salzorrah as Null, but maybe Townlean
    - > Same with Nicki, but her little contribution is kinda decent and I'm kinda inclined to townlean her just because of the vote on EC who flipped scum.

    Bidoof FTW as Null
    - > I can't seem to search for his posts, but I don't honestly remember anything from him, so I'll put that as a null.

    Kiyotaka Ishimaru as Town
    - > Sorry for the inactivity, but I'll catch up on things and make a better game.

    jdthebud as Townread
    - > I like his contribution and though some of it is filler-ish, he's been giving good input. I support the vote on Miah, though if Miah is town, I might be inclined to think differently.

    Forever as Null, but maybe Townlean
    - > Not much out of him, but I think that he may be town only because of that angle of being attacked and losing the vest as a consequence. Might need to take a better look of him.

    Vragon as Maybe Townlean
    - > I like his contribution and input; other than that, I don't have much to say of him.

    ASDBUDDY as Maybe Townlean
    - > Same with Vragon, and I think that his effort is making me feel he is townish. I also think that their conflict earlier and in the previous day phase is more of town v town from what I feel from it.

    I'll go ahead and vote my top scumread.
    [Vote] Miah

    Might change depending on if there is an angle I haven't seen.

    Not really fond of making reads when there are a lot of players still alive but I'm bored and have some free time
     
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