I disagree. It's not so much based on stubbornness as it is the facts. I based my argument entirely on correlations to the game and facts of actual physics. In other words, my argument is based entirely on my knowledge of the games and the universes, rather than conjecture. That doesn't make it fact, though, but rather, it makes for a feasible theory. It would be wrong to call that ignorance. In fact, my argument is based entirely on logic, but you quickly said that my physics didn't mean anything, despite the fact that I can give you actual formulas to support my theories, and thus, I brought the logic and differences between our universes into it, because logic wouldn't get to you, you just wouldn't accept Physics (which is VITAL if you want to at all talk about this from an objective point of view or present a strong subjective theory). You say that Extreme Speed is faster than a bullet. Now, how would one support that? It is, indeed, possible to, but I will get to that later on. The pokedex entrees indeed say that it is "blindingly fast", but so is a speeding bullet. In fact, I know that one must take mass, acceleration, velocity, air resistance, and distance to calculate the damage, as well as the size and its dimensions (both of which are especially important in the case of a bullet, as the small size is made incredibly lethal and/or effective due to its shape, a large bullet would most definitely be less effective than a regular one, as its "puny" size makes it more efficient for piercing). That's how fast a speeding bullet goes. Then we must also calculate how much damage a bullet (depending on the type) can take before it is destroyed, and thus, we can further estimate how effective it would be on the target (by calculating the thickness, resistance, and mass of the in/organic materials that the bullet must navigate through and the stopping power of those materials and what affect they would have on the speed and acceleration, and thus, the piercing potential). I said something similar to this in the thread, but you just flat out denied it, and you can't just do that as there is no way to take an objective stance without it. What you see in the games and mere descriptions will not help you to completely understand unless you can convert the effect of the attack to a physics equation. Science is key to understanding fact, you can't just refute it with what you see, especially not without irrefutable evidence. Pokemon may be simple, but the developers aren't stupid, and they don't make attacks the completely defeat every sense of surreal logic; they try to make sense in terms of the Pokemon rather than making things that destroy all logical thought. And I'm not saying you can't bring Physics into Pokemon, the beautiful thing about it is that you can! In the case of Extreme Speed, one would calculate the acceleration, mass, size, shape, speed, and acceleration due to gravity of the pokemon. In this case, it would be more subjective as one would have to consider what they feel that a "blinding" speed entails (as, in my opinion, that is the fastest adjective used to describe the speed of the pokemon), specifically, we don't actually know the speed and acceleration, thus we must estimate as to what the values could be in miles per hour (we can pick something else, but that is the closest thing we can do to relate it to that of a speeding bullet). But, even still, it is possible. It's not possible to get something that is exact, it would always be a theoretical speed (due to the lack of knowledge about the exact speed). That is to assume that the two universes have the same, or similar, laws of physics (though, from what is shown in the games, one can infer that they at least appear to be quite similar). However, if one is to take the stance that it, indeed, isn't, then they must either state that it is merely a supposition or I'm not just spouting nonsense and I'm not ignorant to the relevant subject matter, I am using what we do and don't know about our universes and making correlations and what I consider to be valid and supported theories. If you don't agree with me and still think I'm spouting nonsense, I have an insurmountable amount of Pokedex entries and research books to support my theories. And as I said, you obviously can't say anything, that is, again, basic knowledge. I agree with you there, it would show true ignorance for one to think otherwise. You can only say what is supported by the established canon or universe of the subject matter, including the various correlations and implications made in the games, and that is the basis for my theories as well as my opinion about roleplays, and that is the backbone of canon. I stated this in my last post (and probably before that as well), but my entire argument isn't about roleplay, very little of it is (specifically, in this post, "And as I said" down to after this parenthesis, in the previous post, simply the parts that directly reference it) this is more about respecting canon and subjectivity/objectivity than anything else.
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I honestly see no reason to completely forget what I just said for any reason, I have done quite a bit of research and I see no reason to completely give it up. If you find it so ridiculous, then counter me, or even better, post it in the "General Pokemon [Gaming] Discussion" forum, then we can have a much larger discussion with people of a variety of IQs and the like, it'd be fine with me. Or rather, we can end it here (though I do find this talk of Physics enjoyable), though I am considering posting about this there, anyway. I'm sorry if it makes you mad, and honestly that is not my intention, I have absolutely nothing against you, but it saddens me that all of what I have said is so blatantly and easily refuted and then I be called ignorant and stubborn on top of that.
EDIT: Better yet, we may as well end it here. There's no sense in trying your temper any more than I already have, and this certainly isn't something I want on my mind 24/7 (seriously, this stuff is bad for my health).