Oh no, how did I miss out Barry/Paul? That was my favourite couple in DP XD Barry never got a chance to fine Paul, though. Trip/Paul? So...that's like Paul/Paul, right? XP But that is interesting, I've never thought of that before XD
Uuuuhhh, I think both interactions are pretty amusing, but I think that Dento has like absolutely no interest in Iris whatsoever. Iris may be a bit tsundere for him though, but that's as far as I'll go.Now I think Negashipping sucks. Besides, Iris has more interesting interactions with Dent. :P
No wonder Wishfulshipping is more popular.
It is for fun, I'm just pointing out the fallacies in the ships :P I can see those as hints too...on Iris's side. What has Dento done to reciprocate those feelings? :PHe may not have, but shipping is for fun, isn't it? Every time Iris is annoyed by him, we take that as a hint. Or when Iris hides behind Dento and stuff like that. :D
It's hilarious how complex shipping has become. But yeah, Iris and Dent are very interesting characters.
Um, I'd say Cafemocha is more popular than Negai. :/
Friendship does not equal luuuurve. I mean, do you ship yourself with all your close friends? :P LOLOLOLOL!!!!!!!!! What the hell do you mean? I'm pretty sure he's fabulous because, oh, I dunno, that's his PERSONALITY? :PUm ... he's shown his kind friendship towards Iris. And we all know he's being fabulous only to annoy her, he loves annoying her. :P
Well in the beginning it was just Pokeshipping and Palletshipping. XD
Well ofc, Japanese girls know what's good. xP
But there's nothing particularly striking about Dento/Iris's relationship...it seems pretty standard to me.NO! Only special ones. ˇ-ˇ :P
Nah, Dento was pretty calm at the start of BW but as he got more open to his friends he realized Iris was annoyed by his true nature. Thus, he used the opportunity in order to seduce her in his fabulous ways. Now they're like love birds teasing each other whenever they can. We need more Iris/Dento moments . :D
Uh, I completely forgot about them. It could be because Rocketshipping is canon and confirmed. XD
True, true. And I'm not judging anyone. Only those who ship Coma not so great shippings.
I don't know what you're trying to imply with those strike outs ._.Different skill color Maybe. xD
Pfft, you silly girl, he did since he wanted to make Iris jealous. ˇ^ˇ
Wait, there was an anti-shipping for a shipping? WUT? <.<
Okay, it's not awesome, but it's okay, I guess. :P
Can I copy/paste your arguments to the PokeCommunity Shipping debates? You're welcome to join me there, but I would love to initiate a debate on this with more than one person :P (don't worry, I think I'll be outnumbered since Wishful is very popular).It implies what I'm actually thinking while I write something else. Or you knew that before? LOL it also looks neat in a VM
That's all true, but not even Dento could fully be himself with unknown people that he had just met. He was a nerd but he was unsure of how Iris would react. As he slowly started unveiling his "tasting times" as a part of his daily routine and not just of some show they thought he was putting on during the gym battle, Ash and Iris realized that Dento really was a big nerd. Iris was attracted to that and so she started flirting via the best way she knew - snarky comments, pretending that she disliked it. :DD Dento realized Iris' signals and realized he could fully act natural around her, and Ash. That's how their platonic, still unconfirmed relationship, began.
He trolled her about being a photo sommelier in the Robert/Sawsbuck episode. You just know he did it on purpose. :P
That seems like quite a journey. Wow, those seem pretty fun. I wish I was there at the times, too bad I joined too late to the fandom. xD
Maybe if Paul actually says a normal, friendly, non-rival sentence to Ash? :P
Ah, I haven't been there in a while but you're welcome to use my arguments there, haha. By the way, I was checking out the Negaishipping thread in the SPPf and someone posted your AMV - everyone thought it was awesome. Just thought you should know! ;P
Haha, well I'm actually only trying to find ways so I could interpret Iris and Dent's friend relationship as something more than friendship. :P If anything, I'm definitely convinced Iris really does care about Dent. I've seen many subtle hints such as Iris putting her hand on his shoulder, Iris hiding behind Dent and NOT Ash, Iris being annoyed by Dent's nerdiness. Also, Dent is as a troll, why else would he had caught Stunfisk? xD But no really, it was like he was asking for it - he was pushing Iris' buttons knowing how she would react. And then he could gently troll her in his own way. :P Also, speaking of the Cabernet battle, the reason Iris wasn't very loud is because she didn't wanna bother Dent. She had come to conclusion that despite Dent acting the way he did, he really did want to prove Cabernet wrong which is why she acted the way she did. She discovered a completely new side of Dent, a badass side, but at the same time, a nerdy side of him too. But also, she really enjoys his cooking. :P
Oh wow. I joined Bulbagarden around May, I think, in late DP. :D
Well in terms of rivalry, true, Paul was best rival of them all. I wish Paul could make a reappearance along with Dawn in BW, as some sort of DP special. I'd say that they were, in a way, the most important people for him in DP. :P
How about both!? First with my Wishfulshipping stance. As a disclaimer, I respect wishfulshippers, a lot of them are my friends, and I don't think it's a silly ship. But I do have my opinions on the what I think is yet another case of strange popularity inflation...
Should Comashipping even be considered a real shipping? :P*COUGH* Comashippers, REPRESENT! >:D
I think that Trip is just...excited by everyone. He took "in your face" pics of Ash, Iris AND Dento...The kid has a problem! He does seem like the fanboy type, so I don't doubt that he'd fall instantly for Paulor you know, fight him for Ash's maid outfit negatives...I mean, love. It doesn't help that he's voiced by the same person who did Barry in the dub XD
Not really. While I admit that the same teasing she does with Ash could be attributed to Negaishipping as well, it's kinda gotten really obvious that she has this chemistry with Cilan which she only shares with him. Georgia is her rival and thus their rival-like relationship is similar to the Ash/Gary one, albeit, more *****y in female kind of way. Not to mention that Iris was snarky only once towards Trip, how is that even supposed to be flirting?Does being Snarky towards Ash, Trip, and Georgia mean she's "flirting" with them too? No, it's just who she is. While the idea of him doing so just to annoy the hell out of her is fun, he's not. Dento is a very expressive character so naturally he's going the act the way he does regardless of who is around.
I'd also like to point out the blushing in the subway when Cilan was acting like a total nerd. Ash acts like an idiot all the time around different people but now suddenly she was embarrassed by Cilan's behavior? Why?All in all, Iris is going to need alot more than just what she has displayed so far. Negaishipping is in the same boat. However, that comes down to 'your mileage may vary" as well..given that Iris hasn't shown a real attraction to Ash either.
The only thing is that Misty was never really that antagonistic towards Brock. In most cases she would side with him and gang up on Ash for his immaturity; While Dento seems very biased towards Ash XDDD But yeah, they just seem like friends to me.Honestly, the whole Iris/Dento relationship just feels like a revamp of Brock/Misty's relationship, but I'll get into that later. At this point I don't feel Iris likes anyone as anything more than just a good friend. I certainly don't ever see Ash, or Dento gaining an infatuation with Iris.
Exactly how I feel :)The whole argument that Dento is just being over-the-top just to annoy Iris is kinda silly. That's who Dento is, and I certainly don't see Iris "flirting" with Dento through her annoyance with his mannerisms. Iris being a debbie downer, and snarky is part of her character. Does being Snarky towards Ash, Trip, and Georgia mean she's "flirting" with them too? No, it's just who she is. While the idea of him doing so just to annoy the hell out of her is fun, he's not. Dento is a very expressive character so naturally he's going the act the way he does regardless of who is around.
Iris is probably the least shippable of the three girls because she's yet been shown to have any romantic subplot at all (with Misty, there was Rudy and a few other boys, May had Drew, Dawn hadAll in all, Iris is going to need alot more than just what she has displayed so far. Negaishipping is in the same boat. However, that comes down to 'your mileage may vary" as well..given that Iris hasn't shown a real attraction to Ash either.
I think that EVERYONE was surprised at this side of Dento...Not really sure how that would contribute to more smitten-ness...more like nightmare fuel. Cooking? really? Who DOESN'T like his cooking? Bel's DAD liked his cooking, can I pair him up with Dento too?Also, speaking of the Cabernet battle, the reason Iris wasn't very loud is because she didn't wanna bother Dent. She had come to conclusion that despite Dent acting the way he did, he really did want to prove Cabernet wrong which is why she acted the way she did. She discovered a completely new side of Dent, a badass side, but at the same time, a nerdy side of him too. But also, she really enjoys his cooking. :P
Should Comashipping even be considered a real shipping? :P
I mean, Paul was so cold and indifferent towards Ash during DP, he barely smiled except for the moments when he made Ash's Pokémon suffer. If their relationship was more friendly there could have been more basis for the supposed "relationship". But all they ever developed on was their rivalry which is what Trip's "rivalry" with Ash seems to lack of. Yeah, Paul learned to respect Ash, to respect his way of training, he changed into a better person but their friendship wasn't really a friendship - Paul was so cold and stoic most of the time towards Ash. So yeah, I can't even see Ash and Paul as normal friends, yet alone as lovers. <_<
I don't really see what's so unique about Iris's and Dento's relationship. He does something weird, Iris calls him out for it, Dento let's it roll off his back like water on a duck. Same thing happens to nearly every other character Iris interacts with ._.' I think that because the back and forth interactions between Georgia and Iris are so much more dynamic, it's just a more interesting pair :P (imagine the hate s*x). And I'm pretty sure that a lot of people see Iris/Trip more on Trip's side, since he's the one being so butthurt over her comments and he's the one who went up in her face to take that picture...Not really. While I admit that the same teasing she does with Ash could be attributed to Negaishipping as well, it's kinda gotten really obvious that she has this chemistry with Cilan which she only shares with him. Georgia is her rival and thus their rival-like relationship is similar to the Ash/Gary one, albeit, more *****y in female kind of way. Not to mention that Iris was snarky only once towards Trip, how is that even supposed to be flirting?
...Oh, I dunno. Maybe it was the DEGREE to which Dento was nerding out?? He was having an orgasm about trains in a train in front of young children. Now, I know that we must try our best not to be so judgmental, but...who wouldn't be embarrassed by that? The worst Ash can do is like tell pikachu to use an electric move on a ground type, which I suppose is pretty darn embarrassing too, but not as much as the train-loving sommelier.I'd also like to point out the blushing in the subway when Cilan was acting like a total nerd. Ash acts like an idiot all the time around different people but now suddenly she was embarrassed by Cilan's behavior? Why?
Because Cilan is a refined person and is probably all for table manners and stuff since he owns a fancy cafe ._.Oh, by the way, the Cottonee episode. Why was Cilan so bothered with Iris speaking about love with her mouth full? Did he feel as if Iris didn't respect love as much as he did? He was obviously kinda annoyed by that.
All I can say is, we're halfway through, and there are more Iris/Cilan moments awaiting us in the future, for sure.
Wow, how could I have missed all that sexual tension? Maybe it's all in your head since I'm still waiting for some solid proof. :PThere's love, and then there's obsession. Paul started off with the latter and worked his way up, it's just in his nature to do that. I think he gain sadistic pleasures in being more powerful than Ash, since he's so closely related to his goal (since Paul wishes to prove that he's better than his brother, and Ash was essentially an expy of his brother, so it was like indirectly satisfying his goals every time he crushed him). This of course grew into mutual respect when he found out that Ash had already beaten his goal a long time ago. I don't think they were ever made friends, but at the same time, friendliness isn't needed in a relationship. Just interaction with the other party, and boy was there a lot of it. I think they share something even stronger than thatsexual tension, a cosmic understanding of each other's aspirations and the desire to impress one another. Even if they still lack a friendship, I will quote: "When one life meets another, something will be born...That something is, a bond." (go Cyntha, you Crazy Comashipper, you ^_^).
Unlike Misty and Brock, writers treat Iris and Dento as a pair. Whether it is promoting the movie tickets for the upcoming Pokémon movie (it's movie time!!!!!) or the the official art featuring Iris and Dento holding hands and dancing in the musical - they are always featured together. They were introduced together and they will both leave at the end of BW. My point is - Iris and Dento are so alike and yet different from each other. They contrast each other in many ways while sharing a decent number of similarities as well. I've said this many times before but they represent B & W, IMO.I don't really see what's so unique about Iris's and Dento's relationship.
We don't know that now, do we? :/And he IS annoyed that Iris would disrespect love like that, but he would have reacted the same for anyone else. Yes, even Ash if he knew what the heck he was talking about.
Why have Iris dance with Dento? Why not Ash? Why not Kibago? :P
You see, that's what I'm talking about. This is why Wishfulshipping is so popular - Iris and Dento match perfectly to each other. While she may be snarky, she respects Dento and his cooking. Dento has great faith in Iris' abilities and he's the perfect person needed to transform Iris from a hypocritical little girl into a mature person. Dento may not feel the same way as Iris but I'm pretty convinced what Iris feels towards Dento is more than just a friendship. Possible crush, but definitely not love.
Well, um, that's true. But Ash WAS dancing with a Pokémon in the same picture where Iris and Cilan were dancing.Because he's Ash? Honestly, think about it. Ash's character. Would it make more sense to see him dancing with a girl, or a Pokemon. I don't know about you, but Ash dancing with a Pokemon is alot more in character. Guess who danced with Misty in the Lighthouse episode WAAAAY back in Kanto.....that's right Brock.
Haha, I'm also a Pearlshipper which is why I don't ship Ash with Iris. xPAt any rate, I can't make you believe anything contrary. I can just provide a non-biased opinion. Just because they are advertised together doesn't mean the writers are trying to make them a couple or anything. Dawn, and Ash where treated as a pair, and nothing happened.
Haha, that is also true.Also, you seem to forget that regardless of showing them dancing together...it didn't actually happen in this episode. Quite the oppisite really. Both Ash, and Iris abandonded Dento because Ash promised he would hang out with Iris. They played tennis together, went to the musical, ice cream...etc, etc. That made Negaishippers happy of course, but I still don't see it as any more than a friendly gesture.
^ This.This is my plain and simple answer to this debate; Ash lovesMistyIris. :)
It's actually the opposite of that for me. I kept with Pokéshipping until I saw the second episode of Best Wishes. I even made a Negaishipping video on youtube. (using those only two episodes at that time) That being said, people still ship multiple shippings with the same characters being involved. I sort of like the theory of each Ash of every region/generation/saga with May/Dawn/Iris. It sounds fun.ben_Pokemon said:The funny thing is, when I was younger, as soon as the girl left I would change the main Ash shipping. That's how I went from Pokeshipping to Advanceshipping and then to Pearlshipping. But now with Negaishipping introduced - I can't really feel it. For some odd reason I prefer pairing up Iris with Dento rather than Ash like I usually did with the main girls.
Sounds fun, indeed. *unhealthy thoughts*
I sort of like the theory of each Ash of every region/generation/saga with May/Dawn/Iris. It sounds fun.
That being said, people still ship multiple shippings with the same characters being involved.
Notice the strike out? It means that I'm kidding :PWow, how could I have missed all that sexual tension? Maybe it's all in your head since I'm still waiting for some solid proof. :P
I still fail to see how this is a hint...it just means that they're marketable when they're beside each other, just like Ash and Pikachu X'D And Misty and Brock WERE put together as a pair, they introduced the hoso specials together, very cutely might I add :PUnlike Misty and Brock, writers treat Iris and Dento as a pair. Whether it is promoting the movie tickets for the upcoming Pokémon movie (it's movie time!!!!!) or the the official art featuring Iris and Dento holding hands and dancing in the musical - they are always featured together. They were introduced together and they will both leave at the end of BW. My point is - Iris and Dento are so alike and yet different from each other. They contrast each other in many ways while sharing a decent number of similarities as well. I've said this many times before but they represent B & W, IMO.
I can't see the picture, but I think that ZeroX5 summed it up quite nicely XDWhy have Iris dance with Dento? Why not Ash? Why not Kibago? :P
I can be a total snark to someone and quiet up the moment they feed me. I'm like a cat, lol. That doesn't mean that I'm crushin' on them. Ash also has respect for Iris's abilities, and so do Bel, and Langley, and Kenyan, and Don George, and Trip, and basically everyone else who've seen her battle :PYou see, that's what I'm talking about. This is why Wishfulshipping is so popular - Iris and Dento match perfectly to each other. While she may be snarky, she respects Dento and his cooking. Dento has great faith in Iris' abilities and he's the perfect person needed to transform Iris from a hypocritical little girl into a mature person. Dento may not feel the same way as Iris but I'm pretty convinced what Iris feels towards Dento is more than just a friendship. Possible crush, but definitely not love.
We don't know that now, do we? :/
You never see people who deposit all their loyalty, efforts, and attention to just one ship anymore, do you? Especially with old ships, like before DP. Ah, but that's where I come in, here to play underdog in the crowds of indecisive people. Well, then again maybe not. I have nothing to constructively argue on, as my shipping palette contains only one color, if you will.
Do you know why that is? There is no blatant romance plot in BW at all. I will fully admit this. In the original series you had PokeShipping. Even if I'm not a shipper, I can't turn a blind eye to the blatant hints presented...especially with Misty's raging jealousy whenever a girl advanced on her Ashy-boy :PBut I will make one note to you people: Shipping in Best Wishes is a lot more attention-intensive with hints than in the old sagas, and I think few will deny that. By attention-intensive, I mean you must align yourself to see hints more closely — kind of like when your in a natural disaster your mind is tempted to craft signs from God (the signs being illusions, of course, but not necessarily the hints which are being compared). I hope that's enough to fill your 'plate' of food-for-thought for now ;)
Haha, I'm also a Pearlshipper which is why I don't ship Ash with Iris. xP
Haha, that is also true.I hated that episode. xD
This is where I come in. The episode, in my plain opinion, was much rather a Pearlshipping episode than a PenguinShipping episode. I always had the opinion Kenny liked Dawn but she didn't feel the same way (which I'm sure in in one of the previous shipping debate threads) and then this episode sort of proved it. She wanted to go and cheer Ash on in the league, rather than go and travel with Kennny. But why mention Ash/Dawn/Kenny? If you ask me, she knew she'd see Paul if she went along with Ash.Curious, if you "disliked" that episode...how did you feel about DP 180? With the whole Ash/Dawn/Kenny thing.