Vragon
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Not to reignite this whole thing, but is there really no policy (in this section, at least) against hate speech on PC? I guess this set of mods policies =/= all policies of all previous mods, but i've seen people infracted/been banned for that before here. One example i remember pretty clearly was some guy who said a bunch of garbage up to and including calling immigration of muslim people a "dirty brown tide" or something
I think there definitely needs to be some kind of iron fist past a point, especially for that kind of thing, because while debate is fine for most things we talk about here there's certain ideologies (white nationalism ect) that no one really benefits from debating, and can make the people who're the targets of those kind of ideologies feel uncomfortable. Even in a setting where something is so absurd for the only response to be mocking (Lets go for a hypothetical example, like "lets stop gay immigration" or something else substituting race/religion/ethnic group for "gay") that still gives a platform to ideologies that fundamentally don't deserve to be treated like they're valid viewpoints to be discussed, because you're working backwards and always in the favour of the people supporing it since it's a bad faith argument to begin with. You're legitimising it through allowing it to be treated as something worthy of being discussed, i guess
Not to accuse anyone of fostering that mindset, that's just what i got out of that
And this is one of the reasons I believe White Nationalism still exists. Regardless if you think it's stupid or contributes nothing you can't just disregard their ability to talk about things here. An issue I really see is this whole refusing to talk with them and as a result a sense of hostility from them. I get viewpoints I disagree, hell some on PC I'm firmly against, but at the same time this is a place to discuss ones opinions in a fair environment (or at least it should be).
I'm not a mod so I don't know that example or why it would happen unless it was a personal attack or something (in which case all I can take your example as is an interpretation unless you have evidence of the thread).
Also, so they aren't legitimizing it just by letting it have a say. That's what mediators do. Sides if you want to discuss an issue you need to discuss all sides of it with the viewpoints of the respective sides. Yes, I can agree with you that this debates place isn't very useful in the long term when it comes to changing things, but just cause this one debate section doesn't help much doesn't mean you change it
from the basic rules of Debate.
When it comes to me and debates I try to see each opinion out there as a statement. I try to get peeps show reasons/evidence why a certain thing is better or would work. Get them to prove their point in a way. This is something that has show problems here and doing what you would suggest would only make it worse for a couple of reasons.
1) I don't have to prove myself if the other opinion is stupid enough to not have a say
2) favoritism
3) I'm less inclined to change my opinion since anything a person with (so and so opinion) says is no doubt supporting a false idea.
Also, just cause someone has such an opinion doesn't mean they only have that opinion or fully support that belief. I'm sorry but it's for reasons like these I stayed away from debates for a long time. Frankly whatever your opinion is, if you wanna say it then support it. Don't just do subjective feelings in the matter, show why it would be better.
This is a problem with discussing problems I've seen and it needs to stop if any sort of solution or compromise is to come.