Off-Topic Hang out with people and talk about whatever. Feel free to suggest a better description for this forum as everyone seems to have an opinion. :D

Thread Tools
Old October 22nd, 2012 (12:59 PM).
Mr. X's Avatar
Mr. X Mr. X is offline
It's... kinda effective?
  • Crystal Tier
Join Date: Oct 2006
Location: London
Age: 24
Gender: Male
Nature: Quiet
Posts: 2,386

Six Italian scientists and an ex-government official have been sentenced to six years in prison over the 2009 deadly earthquake in L'Aquila.

A regional court found them guilty of multiple manslaughter.

Prosecutors said the defendants gave a falsely reassuring statement before the quake, while the defence maintained there was no way to predict major quakes.

The 6.3 magnitude quake devastated the city and killed 309 people.

Many smaller tremors had rattled the area in the months before the quake that destroyed much of the historic centre.

It took Judge Marco Billi slightly more than four hours to reach the verdict in the trial, which had begun in September 2011.

Lawyers have said that they will appeal against the sentence. As convictions are not definitive until after at least one level of appeal in Italy, it is unlikely any of the defendants will immediately face prison.
'Alarming' case

The seven - all members of the National Commission for the Forecast and Prevention of Major Risks - were accused of having provided "inexact, incomplete and contradictory" information about the danger of the tremors felt ahead of 6 April 2009 quake, Italian media report.
Continue reading the main story
Jonathan Amos
Science correspondent

The Apennines, the belt of mountains that runs down through the centre of Italy, is riddled with faults, and the "Eagle" city of L'Aquila has been hammered time and time again by earthquakes. Its glorious old buildings have had to be patched up and re-built on numerous occasions.

Sadly, the issue is not "if" but "when" the next tremor will occur in L'Aquila. But it is simply not possible to be precise about the timing of future events. Science does not possess that power. The best it can do is talk in terms of risk and of probabilities, the likelihood that an event of a certain magnitude might occur at some point in the future.

The decision to prosecute some of Italy's leading geophysicists drew condemnation from around the world. The scholarly bodies said it had been beyond anyone to predict exactly what would happen in L'Aquila on 6 April 2009.

But the authorities who pursued the seven defendants stressed that the case was never about the power of prediction - it was about what was interpreted to be an inadequate characterisation of the risks; of being misleadingly reassuring about the dangers that faced their city.

Nonetheless, the verdicts will come as a shock to all researchers in Italy whose expertise lies in the field of assessing natural hazards. Their pronouncements will be scrutinised as never before, and their fear will be that they too could find themselves embroiled in legal action over statements that are inherently uncertain.
Read more from Jonathan

In addition to their sentences, all have been barred from ever holding public office again, La Repubblica reports.

In the closing statement, the prosecution quoted one of its witnesses, whose father died in the earthquake.

It described how Guido Fioravanti had called his mother at about 11pm on the night of the earthquake - straight after the first tremor.

"I remember the fear in her voice. On other occasions they would have fled but that night, with my father, they repeated to themselves what the risk commission had said. And they stayed."
'Hasty sentence'

The judge also ordered the defendants to pay court costs and damages.

Reacting to the verdict against him, Bernardo De Bernardinis said: "I believe myself to be innocent before God and men."

"My life from tomorrow will change," the former vice-president of the Civil Protection Agency's technical department said, according to La Repubblica.

"But, if I am judged by all stages of the judicial process to be guilty, I will accept my responsibility."

Another, Enzo Boschi, described himself as "dejected" and "desperate" after the verdict was read.

"I thought I would have been acquitted. I still don't understand what I was convicted of."

One of the lawyers for the defence, Marcello Petrelli, described the sentences as "hasty" and "incomprehensible".
'Inherently unpredictable'

The case has alarmed many in the scientific community, who feel science itself has been put on trial.
Continue reading the main story
Franco Barberi, head of Serious Risks Commission
Enzo Boschi, former president of the National Institute of Geophysics
Giulio Selvaggi, director of National Earthquake Centre
Gian Michele Calvi, director of European Centre for Earthquake Engineering
Claudio Eva, physicist
Mauro Dolce, director of the the Civil Protection Agency's earthquake risk office
Bernardo De Bernardinis, former vice-president of Civil Protection Agency's technical department

Some scientists have warned that the case might set a damaging precedent, deterring experts from sharing their knowledge with the public for fear of being targeted in lawsuits, the BBC's Alan Johnston in Rome reports.

Among those convicted were some of Italy's most prominent and internationally respected seismologists and geological experts.

Earlier, more than 5,000 scientists signed an open letter to Italian President Giorgio Napolitano in support of the group in the dock.

After the verdict was announced, David Rothery, of the UK's Open University, said earthquakes were "inherently unpredictable".

"The best estimate at the time was that the low-level seismicity was not likely to herald a bigger quake, but there are no certainties in this game," he said.

Malcolm Sperrin, director of medical physics at the UK's Royal Berkshire Hospital said that the sentence was surprising and could set a worrying precedent.

"If the scientific community is to be penalised for making predictions that turn out to be incorrect, or for not accurately predicting an event that subsequently occurs, then scientific endeavour will be restricted to certainties only and the benefits that are associated with findings from medicine to physics will be stalled."
Yet again, more examples of judiciary dumbassery.

And in other news, large number of Italian scientists are applying for citizenship in other countries.
Reply With Quote

Relevant Advertising!

Old October 22nd, 2012 (2:08 PM).
Shiny Celebi Shiny Celebi is offline
  • Gold Tier
Join Date: Jun 2011
Posts: 2,402
Really? They're sending scientists to jail for not predicting an Earthquake? I mean I know Earthquakes are devestating and really destructive and people are killed but seriously, you can't always accurately predict Natural Disasters. I mean meteorologists try to predict the weather as accurately as they can and it dosent always happen like they predict either. We dont send them to jail for that certainly. What is wrong with the world?
Reply With Quote
Old October 22nd, 2012 (2:42 PM).
Wobbachomp's Avatar
Wobbachomp Wobbachomp is offline
  • Silver Tier
Join Date: Sep 2012
Location: If a mudkip could kip mud
Gender: Male
Nature: Adamant
Posts: 106
This is absolutely ridiculous and I feel sorry for the 6 who have been sentenced... And 6 freaking years!? Are you kidding me!?

Do they really think it's that easy to predict all earthquakes? This is a whole new level of stupidness!
Interested in rare Pokémon giveaways for 5th gen games? Click here!
Reply With Quote
Old October 22nd, 2012 (3:10 PM).
Mr. X's Avatar
Mr. X Mr. X is offline
It's... kinda effective?
  • Crystal Tier
Join Date: Oct 2006
Location: London
Age: 24
Gender: Male
Nature: Quiet
Posts: 2,386
Yeah, doing this isn't going to make natural disaster predition any more accurate.

If anything, its going to scare the scientists away and screw Italy in the long run.

The last thing in the story really shows how dangerous this charge is, not to these 6 scientists and ex-government employee, but to scientific progress as a whole.

But still, if Italy is going to scare away their scientists, hope they scare a few (hundred) our way. The US would be very happy to take them in.
Reply With Quote
Old October 22nd, 2012 (9:34 PM).
Plumpyfoof's Avatar
Plumpyfoof Plumpyfoof is offline
    Join Date: Apr 2011
    Location: Melbourne, Australia
    Age: 23
    Gender: Male
    Nature: Sassy
    Posts: 916
    Just read this hah.

    As if this holds up in court, there are thousands of variables these people have to calculate, some of which are beyond control and sometimes measurements. I protest to the families who lost loved ones, empathetically to not ruin someone else's (and their family's) life for something that was more than likely out of their hands.

    Although if they really were neglecting their duties then they should be let go from their position with a slap on the risk and a mark on their resume, not jail!
    Reply With Quote
    Old October 25th, 2012 (6:36 PM).
    Incineroar's Avatar
    Incineroar Incineroar is offline
    the spirit of the fighter
    • Moderator
    • Platinum Tier
    • Developer
    Join Date: May 2009
    Location: Iki Town
    Age: 22
    Gender: Male
    Nature: Brave
    Posts: 13,619
    There is only one statement that I have to use in situations like this:

    What is this world coming to?

    Whoever came up with the idea to sentence these people for not predicting earthquakes should be sentenced himself for such stupidity.
    Reply With Quote
    Old October 25th, 2012 (6:37 PM).
    Frostweaver's Avatar
    Frostweaver Frostweaver is offline
    Ancient + Prehistoric
      Join Date: Sep 2003
      Location: Canada
      Age: 29
      Gender: Male
      Nature: Calm
      Posts: 8,246
      Apparently they're sentenced due to "communications" and not so much the failure to call the earthquake, apparently... but Italy has always made awkward rulings so who knows.
      Reply With Quote
      Old October 25th, 2012 (7:45 PM).
      Mr. X's Avatar
      Mr. X Mr. X is offline
      It's... kinda effective?
      • Crystal Tier
      Join Date: Oct 2006
      Location: London
      Age: 24
      Gender: Male
      Nature: Quiet
      Posts: 2,386
      What they communicated, was their predictions.

      They called it, but they weren't able to call how severe it would be.
      Reply With Quote

      Quick Reply

      Join the conversation!

      Create an account to post a reply in this thread, participate in other discussions, and more!

      Create a PokéCommunity Account

      Sponsored Links
      Thread Tools

      Posting Rules
      You may not post new threads
      You may not post replies
      You may not post attachments
      You may not edit your posts

      BB code is On
      Smilies are On
      [IMG] code is On
      HTML code is Off

      Forum Jump

      All times are GMT -8. The time now is 4:58 AM.