2 Teams in 1 Thread?

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2 Teams in 1 Thread (DAMN POSTING MERGING)

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[Dark Azelf]

I actually like HP Rock on ninetales in plat as it hits its biggest counters, aka Altaria AND Mantine, but thats up to you.

 

[Supreme Dirt]

I say go with psycho cut on Absol, so SDVenusaur doesn't lol at it.

Otherwise, seems pretty good, though 4/6 of it could be taken down by my EQ/Seed Bomb Venusaur (I think), so go with Scarf on Claydol, so it doesn't get sleeped before venusaur gets the scarf. Would probly apply to other things as well.

 

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I say go with psycho cut on Absol, so SDVenusaur doesn't lol at it.

Otherwise, seems pretty good, though 4/6 of it could be taken down by my EQ/Seed Bomb Venusaur (I think), so go with Scarf on Claydol, so it doesn't get sleeped before venusaur gets the scarf. Would probly apply to other things as well.

Sorry, but SD Venusaur sucks =] Not only that, but Sucker Punch is going to hit it hard enough for Sharpedo to rip it a new one (or just have Ninetales revenge kill it) In other words, it's not a threat.

 

[Supreme Dirt]

Sorry, but SD Venusaur sucks =] Not only that, but Sucker Punch is going to hit it hard enough for Sharpedo to rip it a new one (or just have Ninetales revenge kill it) In other words, it's not a threat.

ORLY?

*sets out on an epic quest to prove SD Venusaur can pwn your team*

Absol gets sleeped, or saur just repeatedly SDs up until you stop sucker punching or I lose my patience and then I'll EQ, so that Ninetales cannot switch in either.
Calcs:

Venusaur after 1 SD against Claydol, Seed Bomb - 98.77% - 117.28%
Against Absol with either EQ, Seed Bomb, or Outrage - 117.34% - 138.38%
Against Poliwrath with Seed Bomb - 114.58% - 134.9%
101.65% - 120.13% on Probopass without a swords dance with EQ

Not going to bother with the other two, as noone would leave saur in against them.

Ninetales Fire Blast against Venusaur (UNboosted) - 95.68% - 112.29%
Sharpedo Ice Beam against Saur - 55.81% - 65.78%

The only thing that can beat Saur without getting 1-2HKO'd in the process is Ninetales, which is taken down by EQ, and there is a 15% chance that you will miss, as well as a 1/3 chance that it will not OHKO saur.

 

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ORLY?

*sets out on an epic quest to prove SD Venusaur can pwn your team*

Absol gets sleeped, or saur just repeatedly SDs up until you stop sucker punching or I lose my patience and then I'll EQ, so that Ninetales cannot switch in either.
Calcs:

Venusaur after 1 SD against Claydol, Seed Bomb - 98.77% - 117.28%
Against Absol with either EQ, Seed Bomb, or Outrage - 117.34% - 138.38%
Against Poliwrath with Seed Bomb - 114.58% - 134.9%
101.65% - 120.13% on Probopass without a swords dance with EQ

Not going to bother with the other two, as noone would leave saur in against them.

Ninetales Fire Blast against Venusaur (UNboosted) - 95.68% - 112.29%
Sharpedo Ice Beam against Saur - 55.81% - 65.78%

The only thing that can beat Saur without getting 1-2HKO'd in the process is Ninetales, which is taken down by EQ, and there is a 15% chance that you will miss, as well as a 1/3 chance that it will not OHKO saur.

Sharpedo and Absol can both take out Venusuar, as they both outspeed it (unless Venusaur is running Max Speed, which is dumb imo) The crit chance from Psycho Cut is so high, it's nearly guaranteed. Sharpedo can clean up Absol's mess with Ice Beam if need be (but it won't be living no Psycho Cut)

Ninetales is guaranteed to kill it, no need to go further. Stealth Rock also means that the "1/3 chance that it will not OHKO Saur" turns into a GUARANTEED OHKO >=].

 

[Supreme Dirt]

Sharpedo and Absol can both take out Venusuar, as they both outspeed it (unless Venusaur is running Max Speed, which is dumb imo) The crit chance from Psycho Cut is so high, it's nearly guaranteed. Sharpedo can clean up Absol's mess with Ice Beam if need be (but it won't be living no Psycho Cut)

Ninetales is guaranteed to kill it, no need to go further. Stealth Rock also means that the "1/3 chance that it will not OHKO Saur" turns into a GUARANTEED OHKO >=].

SDSaur ALWAYS runs max speed.

Also, Ninetales can't switch in and can only revenge unless you bait SDSaur with something, or it gets killed by EQ.

And yes, I forgot to factor in SR, my bad.

 

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SDSaur ALWAYS runs max speed.

Also, Ninetales can't switch in and can only revenge unless you bait SDSaur with something, or it gets killed by EQ.

And yes, I forgot to factor in SR, my bad.

Ninetales comes in on Swords Dance. Ninetales OHKO's with unboosted Fire Blast.

>=]

 

[Supreme Dirt]

Ninetales comes in on Swords Dance. Ninetales OHKO's with unboosted Fire Blast.

>=]

Except SDsaur is designed to be used as a lead. Which means that you will still have a 1/3 chance of not OHKO'ing, and a 15% miss rate.

 

[Dark Azelf]

Its kinda obvious SD Venu is NOT a threat to this team. He has revenge killers =/.


Also if its a lead, wouldnt Trick Scarf/Band from Claydol shut it down ?


EDIT : Not to mention that its a late game sweeper and NOT designed to be a lead anyways.

 

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Except SDsaur is designed to be used as a lead. Which means that you will still have a 1/3 chance of not OHKO'ing, and a 15% miss rate.

Right there that shows me you're not using it right ._. If it's a set up sweeper, it won't be doing much early game. Not to mention I can Trick a Scarf onto it, making it basically useless as it Sleep Powders me.

 

[Supreme Dirt]

Right there that shows me you're not using it right ._. If it's a set up sweeper, it won't be doing much early game. Not to mention I can Trick a Scarf onto it, making it basically useless as it Sleep Powders me.

It outspeeds Claydol, sleeps it, and either SDs up and OHKOs, or 2HKOs with Seed Bomb.

And D_A, Jolly Saur outspeeds his sharpedo by 50 points or so.

Ninetales can be taken down by EQ, and has a 48.53% chance of not OHKO'ing saur with Fire Blast (criticals not taken into account, 1/3 + 15/100)

 

[Anti]

It outspeeds Claydol.

And D_A, Jolly Saur outspeeds his sharpedo by 50 points or so.

Ninetales can be taken down by EQ, and has a 48.53% chance of not OHKO'ing saur with Fire Blast (criticals not taken into account, 1/3 + 15/100)

lol this team is not weak to SD Venusaur. I know you're a huge fan of it (judging by your signature) but it cannot safely come in on and set up on most of this team. Poliwrath or Sharpedo stuck on Hydro Pump yeah...but for real, this is totally absurd. Yeah Fire Blast has a chance to miss, but so does ice beam at gliscor, and nobody ever says "Gliscor weak!" Also, I don't know how a Jolly Venusaur outspeeds a Hasty Scarf Sharpedo...like ever =/

Under the right circumstances, SD Venusaur causes problems, but that is true with any even decent sweeper so I don't see why it's even be mentioned.

 

[Dark Azelf]

Ninetales can be taken down by EQ, and has a 48.53% chance of not OHKO'ing saur with Fire Blast (criticals not taken into account, 1/3 + 15/100)

Umm, then wouldnt he just finish it with sharpedo if it somehow survived ?

And D_A, Jolly Saur outspeeds his sharpedo by 50 points or so.

It outspeeds Claydol, sleeps it, and either SDs up and OHKOs, or 2HKOs with Seed Bomb.

If i didnt know better id say that was a troll =/

If you took the time read you would notice that his Sharpedo is scarfed.

His claydol also has a /Choice Scarf next to CB too =o.

 

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It outspeeds Claydol, sleeps it, and either SDs up and OHKOs, or 2HKOs with Seed Bomb.

And D_A, Jolly Saur outspeeds his sharpedo by 50 points or so.

Ninetales can be taken down by EQ, and has a 48.53% chance of not OHKO'ing saur with Fire Blast (criticals not taken into account, 1/3 + 15/100)

I'm starting to wonder if you're just trolling. How does SD Venusaur outspeed Scarf Claydol or Scarf Sharpedo? Nevermind that Claydol is gonna Trick a Scarf onto you while you're stuck on Sleep Powder, then I can bring in either Poliwrath, Ninetales, or even Absol to set up and destroy the rest of my opponents team.

 

[Supreme Dirt]

I'm starting to wonder if you're just trolling. How does SD Venusaur outspeed Scarf Claydol or Scarf Sharpedo? Nevermind that Claydol is gonna Trick a Scarf onto you while you're stuck on Sleep Powder, then I can bring in either Poliwrath, Ninetales, or even Absol to set up and destroy the rest of my opponents team.

Woops, didn't realize Sharpedo was scarfed. nonetheless, Sharpedo can't OHKO saur. And SD saur is exactly the reason Claydol should be scarfed and not banded. That is the point I am trying to make.

 

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Woops, didn't realize Sharpedo was scarfed. nonetheless, Sharpedo can't OHKO saur. And SD saur is exactly the reason Claydol should be scarfed and not banded. That is the point I am trying to make.

SD Saur is not a threat when I have Ninetales to take it out, or Claydol to incapitate. Since you're using Fire Blast's accuracy as an argument for SD Venu, I might as well use Sleep Powder's sucky 75% as well, eh?

 

[Zetta-Chan]

HP Ice on Venusaur > HP Ground and HP Fire.

Aqua Jet > Return on Kabutops. Also maybe consider Focus Sash.

Psycho Cut on Absol. Take care of Toxicroak.


May come back later for a full rate. Kinda in a rush right now.