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2016 US Presidential Elections Thread [Trump Wins]

I wonder if Mexicans are patriotic enough to the point of at least a partial boycott of American trade if Trump goes ahead with his plan.
 
This is another reason why I find the US so wachy with political labels, typically when you say "liberal" in the rest of the world it typically brings to mind economic neo-liberalism. But instead in the US it's more leaning towards social liberalism and multiculturalism. So I wouldn't call it phony per se Klippy, just a different focus entirely.

Then again Klippers the Democratic party is a coalition of Social Democrats, minority identity groups and center-right neo-liberals so I'd rather lament how our majoritarian form of government creates some interesting coalition's. Lol

As for building walls on the Mexican border, the concept is just so funny when we thoroughly embrace "free market" maquiladoras right over the border.
 
Netto Azure said:
As for building walls on the Mexican border, the concept is just so funny when we thoroughly embrace "free market" maquiladoras right over the border.
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Apparently not, according to those supporting Trump, some of whom are even posting in this thread. American manufacturing jobs seems to trump cheap products.
 
Kanzler said:
Apparently not, according to those supporting Trump, some of whom are even posting in this thread. American manufacturing jobs seems to trump cheap products.
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10/10 pun right there.

But it's not like what we are losing manufacturing jobs. A lot of people are wanting them to come back, and the only real way to do so will either remove regulations and add tax cuts to all classes (some regulations are needed, but not all) or we go the protectionist route to force companies to come back to us. It's quite sad, really.
 
I don't think Trump's plan, even if it works, is what Americans want. I don't think it's acceptable for Americans to work in sweatshops or maquiladoras. I don't think it's possible to create labour-intensive manufacturing that is also suitable for American sensibilities.

Also, Mexico is just plain competitive in the auto sector at the moment. Their cost of labour is apparently lower than even that of China's and the quality of their product grows every year. Eventually they'll be able to meet American levels of quality, but they'll be able to do it much cheaper.

Protectionism would raise the cost of American manufacturing even if it provides jobs to American manufacturers. The job growth caused by protectionism would be negated by the reduced competitiveness of those products. We wouldn't be going anywhere if we create jobs for people to make things that no one wants to buy.
 
Donald Trump decisively won the South Carolina Primary, and is currently leading comfortably in the Nevada Caucuses. It's hard to see him not clinching the nomination unless either Cruz or Rubio drops out so the establishment can rally behind just one of them.

On the Democrat side, Clinton only narrowly won the Nevada Dem Caucuses. Sanders finished closer than expected in Nevada because he surprised the pundits and won the Hispanic vote. Black voters are who pushed Clinton over the top, which is a good omen for her going into South Carolina. It is a real longshot for Sanders to win the nomination, but he could make this a much longer primary fight than Clinton would have liked. I hope he runs as an independent or on the Green ticket in the general.
 
FreakyLocz14 said:
Donald Trump decisively won the South Carolina Primary, and is currently leading comfortably in the Nevada Caucuses. It's hard to see him not clinching the nomination unless either Cruz or Rubio drops out so the establishment can rally behind just one of them.

On the Democrat side, Clinton only narrowly won the Nevada Dem Caucuses. Sanders finished closer than expected in Nevada because he surprised the pundits and won the Hispanic vote. Black voters are who pushed Clinton over the top, which is a good omen for her going into South Carolina. It is a real longshot for Sanders to win the nomination, but he could make this a much longer primary fight than Clinton would have liked. I hope he runs as an independent or on the Green ticket in the general.
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No, unless more candidates drop out, there will most likely be a brokered convention and the establishment will pick which one will be nominated. Obviously if that happens, it will never be a Trump victory.

Kanzler said:
I don't think Trump's plan, even if it works, is what Americans want. I don't think it's acceptable for Americans to work in sweatshops or maquiladoras. I don't think it's possible to create labour-intensive manufacturing that is also suitable for American sensibilities.

Also, Mexico is just plain competitive in the auto sector at the moment. Their cost of labour is apparently lower than even that of China's and the quality of their product grows every year. Eventually they'll be able to meet American levels of quality, but they'll be able to do it much cheaper.

Protectionism would raise the cost of American manufacturing even if it provides jobs to American manufacturers. The job growth caused by protectionism would be negated by the reduced competitiveness of those products. We wouldn't be going anywhere if we create jobs for people to make things that no one wants to buy.
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Either way it wouldn't matter if Trump forces them to build the wall with the threat of trade cancellations. After all, we are one of their main trading partners (about 90% of their economy involves us in some way. Don't remember which statistic though.)

Also, it would be kinda hard to not buy a vehicle. The only difference would be that Mexican parts/products would be super expensive, effectively forcing them to buy American-made vehicles. The only real way to do it without this protectionism (which would hamper our economy a little bit as well) would be that route.
 
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If the race boils down to Trump and Cruz, I see the establishment rallying behind Trump.

Now what? If most of Bush's voters go to Rubio, and Carson's supporters go to Cruz, we can end up with a 30% tie until Kasich goes. And, of course, it's unlikely that 100% of Bush's supporters will go to Rubio anyway. And a brokered convention needs Rubio to at the very least come in with a victory in delegates/votes/something or else Trump will say he was robbed and launch an independent run with a lot of R voters, so... tough outcome.
 
MUDKIP!!! said:
US politics are scary. the fact that Trump, a racist jerk with no political background is getting so many votes is horrifying.
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Yeah, big problem with that. You can't be racist to a religion, and he only has problems with illegal immigrants. Not all Hispanics/Latinos.
 
Meanwhile on the Democratic side I still can't get over how the NYTimes is schilling so much for Hillary Clinton, it's reading like press releases from her campaign.

I mean she is a great and very qualified candidate but it's like they keep bashing Sanders as if they're afraid of the message he brings.

I'm sorry, it's just that here comes a candidate who isn't afraid to expouse the exact goals that I would admire in a dream candidate. Someone who isn't afraid to utter the S-word and media outlets are like "omg he's losing" "never gunna happen" etc.

It also doesn't help that we get headlines like:
Delegate Count Leaving Bernie Sanders With Steep Climb

Then buried under the TENTH Paragraph in the article:

" A New York Times analysis found that Mrs. Clinton and Mr. Sanders are tied in the pledged delegate count, at 51 each."

A virtual tie, a decisive win and a narrow loss = He's struggling?
Like jeez wait until super Tuesday lol
 
The thing I like about Trump, even if I don't agree with everything he says, is the he's the most rational, tolerant, and loving candidate in the field. Sure, he shows tough love at time, but we need a uniter to succeed the most divisive President in modern times.
 
FreakyLocz14 said:
The thing I like about Trump, even if I don't agree with everything he says, is the he's the most rational, tolerant, and loving candidate in the field. Sure, he shows tough love at time, but we need a uniter to succeed the most divisive President in modern times.
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What's his comments about Muslims and Mexicans got to do with love?
 
Kanzler said:
What's his comments about Muslims and Mexicans got to do with love?
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I did say sometimes he expresses it with tough love.

Both of those things were twisted by the lamestream media. He was saying those who cross the border illegally aren't the best of Mexican society, and that's correct.

He merely said we should pause the refugee program temporarily for national security interests. President Obama did the same thing with Iraqi refugees in 2011.
 
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