A Team to Rate

What Porygon-Z does to Cradily isn't exactly light damage, and some spikes/SR thrown in there and it's gg. Same goes for Metagross and Hippo (though the one I fought took 58% from Meteor Mash, it was probably EVed wrong lol)

Also I was kinda referring to Natsy Plot Porygon-Z :P

And yes Cradily can hold off Raikou, but it can be stalled (not by Raikou alone, but with some help) and it's all over. As in if Raikou is well-played, it has potential to be a HUGE threat.

Weavile is defeated but the team will take a beating before it dies if Weavile outpredicts.
 
Anti-Pop said:
What Porygon-Z does to Cradily isn't exactly light damage, and some spikes/SR thrown in there and it's gg. Same goes for Metagross and Hippo (though the one I fought took 58% from Meteor Mash, it was probably EVed wrong lol)

Also I was kinda referring to Natsy Plot Porygon-Z :P

And yes Cradily can hold off Raikou, but it can be stalled (not by Raikou alone, but with some help) and it's all over. As in if Raikou is well-played, it has potential to be a HUGE threat.

Weavile is defeated but the team will take a beating before it dies if Weavile outpredicts.
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Speaking of Spikes/SR , you might wanna get yourself a spinner.
 
This team is fine against SR but spikes is just gg. NOW you people see why I think SR is so inferior :P Seriously add that and your team can't really counter anything :0
 
Hippowdon@Leftovers
Impish
252 HP, 252 Def, 6 Atk

Earthquake
Slack Off
Ice Fang/Stone Edge
Stealth Rock

Starts Sandstorm.

I couldn't really think of another edit, it looks fine as it is, but I doubt you're gonna be staying in with any grass types, as far as I can see, they will all OHKO you, so I prefer SE for the power, but I'm not sure.

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Heatran@Choice Scarf
Modest
252 Sp. Atk, 236 Spd, 20 HP

Fire Blast
Earth Power
Explosion/HP [GRASS]/HP [ICE]
Dragon Pulse

Resists Sandstorm and hits hard and fast.

I run it with HP ICE and Dragon Pulse usually, because I don't trust Heatran's attack especially with a modest nature, and I'm always afraid that thye will predict and switch into a bulky Steel/Rock or a ghost type. But that's just me.
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Cradily@Leftovers/Wide Lens
Sassy
252 HP, 164 Def, 92 Sp. Def

Energy Ball
Toxic
Recover/Ingrain
Rock Slide/Stone Edge

Special Wall. This switches in on almost any Special Attacks and is unique in its ability to learn Recover. Toxic Stall to the supreme here, Rock Slide is a safer option over Stone Edge. Energy Ball for Swampy and Bulky Ground and Water Types.

Yah.

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Garchomp@Choice Band
Jolly
252 Atk, 252 Spd, 6 HP

Stone Edge
Fire BLAST
Dragon Claw
Earthquake

Better than Brightpowder Chomp, Swords Dance and Sweep. Yache Berry is gimicky, but lets me hit CB Weavile with some reliability.

The three F's for Garchomp Fire Fang Fails. It just doesn't do the magic like Fire Blast, however you may need to switch to CB to use it to it's full effect, it just works better.

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Weezing@Leftovers/Black Sludge
Bold
252 HP, 252 Def, 6 Sp. Def

Fire Blast/Shadow Ball/Dark Pulse
Pain Split
Will-o-Wisp/Haze
Thunderbolt

Hera Counter and Levitater. Originally had Gengar to soak up Rapid Spin, but I don't really care for the Stealth Rock as much as being able to counter common threats.

When I ran my Weezing with Fire Blast on Shoddy, the foe always seemed to predict it and switch t o something with a Pyschic move, and often defeat it, so I used Shadow Ball, and I don't have that problem so much any more, and also, I'd rethink those EVs a little, try to squeeze in some Sp.Atk and sacrifice a stat with max EVs for a little more Sp.Def
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Vaporeon@Leftovers
Bold
188 HP, 252 Def, 68 Sp. Atk/Def

Surf
Baton Pass
Wish
Substitute

Provides Psuedo-Phazing with Yawn, and is also my Wish passer. Takes water attacks directed at Hippo and Heatran with aplomb. This works, so only the last slot is up in the air at the moment.

This set FTW, nice EV spread though.
 
Fire Blast is what fails on CBchomp, not Fire Fang. I don't know about you but fire Blast working off of 80 base SAtk and a -SAtk nature is a lot weaker than A Fire fang working off of 130 base Atk and a CB boost.

Skarm is a terrible switch into Garchomp anyways.

Also on Hippowdon I'm pretty sure Ice Fang is for Dragons. Stone edge is pretty useless on it in all honesty.
 
What the hell is Fire Fang going to do? 10HKO something?
 
Jimmyray said:
What the hell is Fire Fang going to do? 10HKO something?
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Hi my name is Bronzong, and i commonly come in to block outrage.


But yeah, Fire Blast is more useful when you dont have the Swords Dance boost from the respective set and hold a Life Orb.

Fire Fang does more to bronzong, whilst Fire Blast does more to Skarm, Forry etc.
 
Fire Fang AND fire Blast will destroy Forretress.

I don't know about you but Bronzong is a lot scarier than Skarmory. Skarmory isn't even that good anymore, it doesn't usually switch into Garchomp and when it does, it gets pelted anyways. I fear Bronzong and lot more than Skarm :/ It can also blow up on SD chomp to kill it, which is something I prefer to avoid.

Also Jimmyray, like fire Blast is going to be OHKOing anything :/
 
Anti-Pop said:
Fire Fang AND fire Blast will destroy Forretress.

I don't know about you but Bronzong is a lot scarier than Skarmory. Skarmory isn't even that good anymore, it doesn't usually switch into Garchomp and when it does, it gets pelted anyways. I fear Bronzong and lot more than Skarm :/ It can also blow up on SD chomp to kill it, which is something I prefer to avoid.

Also Jimmyray, like fire Blast is going to be OHKOing anything :/
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Im not sure if Fire Fang Ohko's Forry without a boost, i think it has a chance to live.

But he has a Choice Band, so should be fine either way.
 
Seriously I'd be perfectly content shaving 90% of forry's health off.

Also Fire Blast has terrible PP and ALWAYS misses.

Also Fire Fang will hit everything but skarm and Tangrowth harder. Celebi will take more damage and so will most grassers. If Weavile has any bright ideas about switching in on what he thinks is a SD to scare me off with Ice Shard, fire Fang will hurt lots more than Fire Blast.

Fire Blast is only better for the rare tangrowth and the declining skarmory.
 
Anti-Pop said:
Also Fire Blast has terrible PP and ALWAYS misses.
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WHAT!

Don't shoot down a move with such a brazen statement. I mean, personal usage may always miss for you, but it hardly ever misses for me. That's a very bold thing to say. I'm not advocating Fire Blast, as I don't care for it, (because of terrible PP) but that's a powerful thing to say.

Rather, it often misses, or ALWAYS misses for me would be a better thing to say.
 
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sims796 said:
WHAT!

Don't shoot down a move with such a brazen statement. I mean, personal usage may always miss for you, but it hardly ever misses for me. That's a very bold thing to say. I'm not advocating Fire Blast, as I don't care for it, (because of terrible PP) but that's a powerful thing to say.

Rather, it often misses, or ALWAYS misses for me would be a better thing to say.
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Um, what? Isn't kind of obvious I'm talking about my own experiences? ._.

And it's true, Fire Blast has horribly unreliable accuracy and low PP as well. It misses at the worst times and is unreliable in gweneral. If Skarm does happen to switch in and fire Blast misses, the "surprise" is gone.

I know it's a powerful thing to say but I'd rather use Flamethrower than Fire Blast, even if it meant 3HKOing skarmory rather than 2HKOing. It misses THAT much, it's ridiculous almost :0
 
flamehaze94 said:
I actually think the other way around.

I always use Fire Blast>Flamethrower. It's just that much better.
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I don't know about you, but accuracy is kewl. I don't think you would want something to miss in a certain situation...
 
Fire Blast has missed at the worst times for me so that's probably a little bias of mine.

One time I actually had a CBmence against Steelix (this is ADV) and Mence was my last pokemon. The other pokemon was a flyer that was luckily slower than me and Steelix had literally 1% health left after it switched into Fire Blast (yay). It was a really weird battle...gosh, I don't remember it well.

Either way Fire Blast missed when Steelix had 1% health, it went BOOM and killed my Mence who would have killed the other pokemon otherwise.

It's misses 3 times out of 3 tries in one battle...I just hate that move lol
 
Um I'm placing my vote for fire Fang as I'm sure you know. Fearing Skarm...I just don't see the point.
 
Neither do I, especially when all it can do is Whirlwind away. What will it do then? I'm sticking with FF, as Anti gives a better argument, and I agree... (Funny that, hasn't happened often. :P)

Thankyou Anti, anything else?

~T_S
 
I'd watch out for Weavile.

Your team has very few weaknesses but A LOT of potential hazards where one pokemon falling could really mean the end of you, even more so than it normally would.

Also your team dies to Kingdra really quickly I've noticed. Cradily isn't so tough without its sandstorm boost and STAB Hydro Pump/Surf or just an Ice Beam is going to hurt a lot, and it can sweep your entire team if it has HP electric or something to beat Vaporeon with.

Anything that can reverse the weather and crap on Cradily will mean game over. I mean that if rain is put into play and raikou comes out, you're more than likely in HUGE trouble, and Raikou won't even have to stall to beat Cradily. You'd have to sacrifice Hippowdon and die to HP Ice upon switching the weather back, and they can just do it again.

As in you rely too much on weather to wall special sweepers which won't be good. you have to be VERY careful with Heatran because losing that will make you weak to A LOT and you won't be able to revenge kill much either. for example, Nasty Plot Azelf mows over everything with Heatran gone, including Cradily.

Just some things to consider. I'm only good at finding weaknesses, not fixing them, so I'm probably not the guy to fix that.

Also I have a genuine hate for the move Fire Blast so it was process of elimination practically.
 
Yes, but Fire Blast is better on Heatran me thinks. Lava Plume could be an option I suppose, talk about Burn rate... :P

Weavile and Kingdra...hmm, thankyou, I will get to work on that.

~T_S

How about a Bulky Water with High Sp. Def over Vappy? Water Absorb was wonderful, but a Bulky Water without Water Absorb could sub out I suppose. Or, something that can take Surf and Electric attacks, a Grass Type? I dunno, but I like Vappy because of the Wish Support.

~T_S
 
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