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If you wanta Grass bulky water, Ludicolo is awesome. It wouldn't help with Weavile much but Kingdra would be toast.

Also Fire Blast I actually like on Heatran, I was just saying I hate the move :P
 
Yeah, it misses at the worst times. (I was reading your posts :P)

Ludicolo is nice I suppose.

I have an Idea! Kyogre! lol. :(

Omastar? Get's Defense boost in Sandstorm to base 105. I could give it HP Dragon...lol

I really have no idea. Weavile is a smaller problem than Kingdra. Wait, in another thread didn't you say you didn't like Kingdra using Rain Dance? Why are you worrying if Kingdra isn't running Rain Dance? Anyway, commonly, Ice Beam is only run on the Choice Specs set, and Mixed is more common than that. Ice Beam isn't on the Mixed set...

EDIT: Politoed? It can Haze, has Water Absorb and Hypnosis. :P

EDIT2: Tenta?

EDIT3: Celebi, Suicune, Ludicolo, Milotic? lol, this isn't looking good, but I'm leaning perhaps on Suicune. It can take water hits fine, and I can run HP ELECTRIC on it if I like. I may make my own set. :P

Suicune@Leftovers
Calm
252 HP, 172 Sp. Def, 80 Def

Calm Mind
Hydro Pump
HP [ELECTRIC]
Roar/Sandstorm

I dunno, could it be a Sandstorm starter? It can take all hits from Kingdra, and can start Sandstorm. I also like the gimmicky Tailwind, what do you think?

~T_S
 
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Tortured_Soul said:
Yeah, it misses at the worst times. (I was reading your posts :P)

Ludicolo is nice I suppose.

I have an Idea! Kyogre! lol. :(

Omastar? Get's Defense boost in Sandstorm to base 105. I could give it HP Dragon...lol

I really have no idea. Weavile is a smaller problem than Kingdra. Wait, in another thread didn't you say you didn't like Kingdra using Rain Dance? Why are you worrying if Kingdra isn't running Rain Dance? Anyway, commonly, Ice Beam is only run on the Choice Specs set, and Mixed is more common than that. Ice Beam isn't on the Mixed set...

EDIT: Politoed? It can Haze, has Water Absorb and Hypnosis. :P

EDIT2: Tenta?

EDIT3: Celebi, Suicune, Ludicolo, Milotic? lol, this isn't looking good, but I'm leaning perhaps on Suicune. It can take water hits fine, and I can run HP ELECTRIC on it if I like. I may make my own set. :P

~T_S
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Just to point out something, sandstorm doesn't raise BASE SDEF, just ACTUAL SDEF.

Lemme run some calcs in my head...

114 base SDEF, approx., because, except for "magic" numbers, 2 ACTUAL points = 1 BASE point.
 
Tortured_Soul said:
Yes, I know that, but it shouldn't matter. Max with a Beneficial Nature is 262, so add 131 and you get 393 in a Sandstorm. Yes?

~T_S
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Well, I was using a neutral nature, but whatever, it doesn't matter.
 
Tortured_Soul said:
Neutral is 239, so add 119, and you get 358. Doesn't matter though, I'm not using it.

~T_S
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I used to use it as a wall in my n00b days. Its terrible EQ weakness makes it a.....pretty bad choice.
 
Tortured_Soul said:
A Rain Dance Team with Gyara or a Levitater etc and it can be a pretty decent Sweeper with Swift Swim.

~T_S
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Yeah, I meant it can't work as a wall. As a RD sweeper it does OK.
 
Tortured_Soul said:
Yeah, it misses at the worst times. (I was reading your posts :P)

Ludicolo is nice I suppose.

I have an Idea! Kyogre! lol. :(

Omastar? Get's Defense boost in Sandstorm to base 105. I could give it HP Dragon...lol

I really have no idea. Weavile is a smaller problem than Kingdra. Wait, in another thread didn't you say you didn't like Kingdra using Rain Dance? Why are you worrying if Kingdra isn't running Rain Dance? Anyway, commonly, Ice Beam is only run on the Choice Specs set, and Mixed is more common than that. Ice Beam isn't on the Mixed set...

EDIT: Politoed? It can Haze, has Water Absorb and Hypnosis. :P

EDIT2: Tenta?

EDIT3: Celebi, Suicune, Ludicolo, Milotic? lol, this isn't looking good, but I'm leaning perhaps on Suicune. It can take water hits fine, and I can run HP ELECTRIC on it if I like. I may make my own set. :P

Suicune@Leftovers
Calm
252 HP, 172 Sp. Def, 80 Def

Calm Mind
Hydro Pump
HP [ELECTRIC]
Roar/Sandstorm

I dunno, could it be a Sandstorm starter? It can take all hits from Kingdra, and can start Sandstorm. I also like the gimmicky Tailwind, what do you think?

~T_S
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Ok, need help on this. Currently thinking on sticking with Vappy, because it covers a lot of weaknesses, but could Anti or Azelf please look in?

Thankyou. :P

~T_S
 
Tortured_Soul said:
Ok, need help on this. Currently thinking on sticking with Vappy, because it covers a lot of weaknesses, but could Anti or Azelf please look in?

Thankyou. :P

~T_S
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Why are you bothered about Kingdra ?

Vappy takes ass from all its attacks, and has a recovery move and you can easily wear it down with HP Electric, Yawn it out or even surf it to death, and when it has to keep coming back in it not going to last long.



Weavile cannot do anything to Weez or vaporeon either and will get quickly worn down with SR and SS.


They're really not threatening to this team.



However Starmie may go well here, beats Mixape and spins, aswell as countering Gyarados, maybe >> Vappy . Wish is ok but why ? Hippow has a self recovery move, as does weezing and cradilly, Heatran or Garchomp dont wanna take hits, so its pretty meh.
 
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Heatran is actually a switch in for other HP ICE Heatran etc tat are coming against me, and if you check my threats list you would see that it is used to counter many pokemon. Because of this, I would like to provide some sort of healing for both it and Garchomp. Along with this, its Water Absorb is sexy when switching in on those water attacks. ;)

~T_S
 
Tortured_Soul said:
Heatran is actually a switch in for other HP ICE Heatran etc tat are coming against me, and if you check my threats list you would see that it is used to counter many pokemon. Because of this, I would like to provide some sort of healing for both it and Garchomp. Along with this, its Water Absorb is sexy when switching in on those water attacks. ;)

~T_S
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Yes, but i was thinking more along the lines of a Rapid Spinner, Vappy would be a better switch into Heatran, due to it predicting and Earth powering you to death.

Anyways, you do need a spinner or T-Spikes and normal spikes are gonna cause havoc.
 
pokemonpkmn12345 said:
i dont think so.
Fire blast has 85 acuraccy and 5pp with 120 Power
Flamethrower Has 95 Power 100 Acuracy And 15 pp

flamethrower is Obviously Better.
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The bolded part says it all, 95 base power vs 120 base power is the difference between a 3hko and a 2hko. I like Fire Blast on bulky guys or those who dont gain stab like Heatran cus its bulky, or Salamence and weezing because they NEED all the power they can get. Flamethrower is better on stuff like Infernape just because it gets Nasty Plot and cant take a hit to save its life and cant afford to miss.

85 accuracy isnt even bad, pp is, but oh well, pp max ftw !


Anyways, back to your team, i battled it today and it seemed VERY stall oriented. Maybe too much, id say Tenta >> Vappy and put SR >>Toxic on Cradily. Also Tentas Toxic Spike will help your Garchomp sweep immensely better, as it wears down walls like donphan as they will get poisoned when trying to spin.

Put roar >> SR on hippo aswell, youll want something to shuffle toxic spikes around, and besides youll now have SR on Cradily.
 
pokemonpkmn12345 said:
i dont think so.
Fire blast has 85 acuraccy and 5pp with 120 Power
Flamethrower Has 95 Power 100 Acuracy And 15 pp

flamethrower is Obviously Better.
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Not one bit at all. That is a very "backwards" way of thinking.

Fire Blast has great priority. The great boost in power makes it useable for pokes who NEED the power. Certain pokemon, such as Garchomp, needs the power. And you won't be using Flamethrower every match. The accuracy isn't so painful at all. For some people, they have bad luck, but not enough to warrent the move bad for everyone. It served me well thus far. The difference in what you can KO makes it good. Certain moves, like Hydro Pump & Surf, are the difference. Fire type moves don't have the coverage of Water & Electric, so certain pokes needs the power.

Like a comparison of Stone Edge & Rock Slide. Which sounds better, 75 Base Power & 10/15 PP, or 100 Base power & 5 PP?
 
pokemonpkmn12345 said:
i dont think so.
Fire blast has 85 acuraccy and 5pp with 120 Power
Flamethrower Has 95 Power 100 Acuracy And 15 pp

flamethrower is Obviously Better.
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You know the bolded part is kinda lol. the only thing obvious is that you aren't correct.

Back in ADV when Hidden Power was physical for bug types and a few other types, people could use that on their physical sweepers. Heracross had this awesome STAB Megahorn attack (Fire Blast without the chance of burn and higher PP).

Let's say Hidden Power could have 95 base power instead of 70. Then HP Bug would become a viable option for Heracross. Still, I bet 90% of the Heracross users out there would use Megahorn because you want your sweepers to hit HARD with a choice item.

Many CB Heracross also (before the invention of Close Combat) use Focus Punch over Brick Break. Why? Power. It's a higher risk but playing it safe is a risk in itself.

If that made sense >.>

Also Dark_Azelf Vaporeon can't really do anything back to Kingdra and dies really quickly to Hp Electric (3 hits, add some SR/Spikes damage and gg) Vaporeon is a good switch in on Kingdra, but it can't really stay in very long and compete. It can pass wishes and you can trey and stall out its rain turns and then attack it though.

I'll comment on the rest of the team later. I got 3 hours of sleep last night so I'll rate and comment further when I'm thinking more clearly.
 
Anti-Pop said:
Many CB Heracross also (before the invention of Close Combat) use Focus Punch over Brick Break. Why? Power. It's a higher risk but playing it safe is a risk in itself.
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I gotta sig this when I get the room.
 
Ok, so I've got 1 saying stay vappy, and another saying go tenta. Problem is, I just battled Azelf. We both new each others team, so it was kinda lol, but I was going fine until he critd my Weezing... >_>

~T_S
 
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