Fun fact: most kids that grow up in poverty or in the system or with fucked up parents or knowing that they were the product of rape hate their lives and many would rather not have been born in the first place
As far as the product of rape stuff goes, that's easily solved just by not going "hey you're the product of a rape".
there's so many psychological factors
my friend's parents are terrible people. one's dead now. that was a happy moment. and the previous statement isn't at all sarcastic. she's legitimately glad her father is dead. schizophrenia runs in both sides of her family. that's something that she's constantly worried about. she's prone to addiction because that also runs in her family. she wishes she was never born.
one of her friends was a product of rape. that definitely fucked her up psychologically. drugs, self deprecation, being suicidal—the whole shebang. she has it all. wishes her mother never had her.
you're painting it so black and white. nothing in life is so simple.
I never said it was a simple issue. You're not the only one who knows people who've been messed up though. I have a friend who was raped, another that was sexually assaulted and I know plenty of people who come from fucked up families. Have the experiences hurt them, yes a lot, but they've been able to work through there problems and most of them are doing fine right now. I'm not foolish enough to say that everyone will get through a horrible situation unscathed, but with help and support a lot of people can.
also the whole "she shouldn't have gotten knocked up" argument omg no. so many issues with that. people don't always intend to get pregnant. people can use so many forms of contraception (when they can afford to) and still get pregnant. also, teenagers. teenagers can be dumb. very dumb. beyond dumb.
There's is about zero issues with that. If you don't want to risk pregnancy, don't have sex. Even with contraception there's no guarantee that you won't become pregnant, this is common knowledge and if you decide to go ahead an have sex anyway then you're acknowledging that you accept the risks. Another living being doesn't deserve to die because you don't like the end result of what was ultimately your decision. As for "teenagers can be dumb", stupidity is never an excuse and it shouldn't be allowed to pretend to be one.
also, I assume this is to the rapists getting custody thing.
another fun fact: in like thirty US states, a rapist's rights as a father are protected under the law. it's not like they don't know a man was the rapist and he got custody; he can file for custody despite the fact that he's the rapist. this is terrible for the child and agonizing for the mother, obviously.
It wasn't. I was more pointing out that leaving DNA evidence inside your victim is generally a bad idea and those rapists that actively plan and stalk their victims are unlikely to not use contraception. Which is terrible in the sense that it makes them harder to catch, but good (well as good as such a messed up situation could possibly be) in the sense that it significantly reduces the chance of rape babies.
that's where I'm going to leave off because this topic is making me physically ill and I just can't deal. bye bye
Fair enough, I won't quote you again after this point.
A woman aborting a child that they either do not or even cannot raise is much, much different than a person looking to buy crack. This is honestly a disgusting comparison. A woman who is desperate enough to employ a "back alley abortion" because getting a safe, legal abortion is out of the question due to laws should not be the one being called into question - the system is where the problem lies. Also they'd deserve whatever issues comes their way because the society they live in is so entitled that they want her to give birth to a child she has no desire to have? Excuse you?
Same thing I said to Naku, if you have sex you're acknowledging the risk. Nobody should take a another life simply because they don't want to be a parent. You make a decision and you suffer the consequences.
Are you serious right now? If a person wants an abortion because they were impregnated when they didn't want to be in the first place, then are you seriously suggesting that women just shouldn't have sex? You realize people who get abortions aren't just people who got drunk at a party and "got knocked up" (and by the way, even if they did, they'd still deserve to have that option.) right? Regardless of how a person became pregnant, the fact of the matter is, its their body. And they have full autonomy of it. (Btw this is also super insulting to women who were raped, pls reflect on what you've just said)
Not just women who want sex, I'm saying that
anyone who can't handle the possible consequences of their actions probably shouldn't engage in whatever activity they're considering anyway. I'm well aware that there's multiple scenarios that can result in a desire for an abortion, and as I said in my first post I do agree that there are some circumstances when it is a reasonable option. People who get drunk at a party or people whose contraception failed don't constitute a scenario in which taking a life is a viable action. You have sex, then you might have to deal with consequences.
As for why this would be insulting to a rape victim, it shouldn't be. That comment was hardly directed at them and quite frankly even if it was I'm just as entitled to my beliefs as they are.
While you're not wrong, a rape victim is likely not to forget their experience regardless of whether or not they have the child, it should still be their decision. Also, how do you know whether or not they'd feel better about having an abortion? You're assuming that a person would (and maybe even should) feel guilty about having an abortion. The reality is, there are plenty of people who are okay with it. The future of the child is frankly irrelevant - while the mother is still carrying it, they shouldn't be forced to bear it just because the child has "limitless potential". Insinuating that an unborn child has more priority than a rape victim is so gross that I really don't know how to address this.
I know that one of the two friends I mentioned before was raped and has the same point of view that I do. I would also like to point out that I'm not the only one assuming things here, you're assuming that people
shouldn't feel guilt and
should be totally fine with abortion. You're assumptions hold no more weight than mine. In the same vein "people are okay with it" is not a great argument either since plenty of people are against it too. That's the same as saying "murder is totally fine because people who want to kill people think it's okay".
You're all entitled to your opinions, but your beliefs in no way invalidate the beliefs of others.