We are by our nature social beings, and to belong to society (at any level) is to be feeding that instinct towards community and comradeship. You may not strive to be skinny and "vane" as you put it, but you may try to connect with people on another level. If you're goth, you are going to wear dark clothing in the same way that people lose weight to be accepted by the mainstream. Do you see the logic? You can't escape society.You're implying that losing weight makes you a better person, whether you meant to or not. Losing weight does not "improve" you, it simply makes your image more acceptable to society.
Personally, I don't care about how I look. Vanity is the value I find most annoying in many people.
Nah, I've managed to tone myself up a bit so I don't feel too thin.That's pretty impressive results, but do you ever feel too thin now?
I am 6'3 and 165 and I feel like I could put on a bit more.
Goth (as a sub-culture) is stupid. I can't believe they don't see the irony in what they do, it's just so painfully obvious.We are by our nature social beings, and to belong to society (at any level) is to be feeding that instinct towards community and comradeship. You may not strive to be skinny and "vane" as you put it, but you may try to connect with people on another level. If you're goth, you are going to wear dark clothing in the same way that people lose weight to be accepted by the mainstream. Do you see the logic? You can't escape society.
Why were you self-conscious? It is because people crave acceptance by their peers, and one thing that our culture looks down is the idea of anything other than the "super model" look. The farther away you are from that image, the less acceptable it is to be in a swimsuit, for example. It's fine if you want to lose weight and buy into this thing, I understand why people do it. The thing I take contention with is when you use that phrase to define what you did; you call it "bettering yourself." That's not how I see it at all. I see nothing better in a fit person, other than perhaps a marginally higher life expectancy. And while more self-esteem may be a good thing, I think you could better yourself for real if you try to build self-confidence without buying into society's definition of what is a tolerable figure.The fact that I was so self conscious about my weight that I refused to go to the pool at all occasions and now I'm actually applying to be a lifeguard at my city's pool says something. You obviously have a specific bias against people who strive to better themselves and their health, so I'll bite. Before I was constantly unhappy, unfit, and never wanted to be around other people. I covered up all my extra skin by wearing three layers of clothing, because I didn't want anyone to see my shame.
It was an example, but I will admit their attempt at a counterculture of individualism has completely failed.Goth (as a sub-culture) is stupid. I can't believe they don't see the irony in what they do, it's just so painfully obvious.
I was self conscious because I was a lazy bastard who never got off the couch and was always on the computer. I had skin hanging off of my body which represented a complete disregard for my well being. Simply not caring is just proof enough that you do care enough to not care.Why were you self-conscious? It is because people crave acceptance by their peers, and one thing that our culture looks down is the idea of anything other than the "super model" look. The farther away you are from that image, the less acceptable it is to be in a swimsuit, for example. It's fine if you want to lose weight and buy into this thing, I understand why people do it. The thing I take contention with is when you use that phrase to define what you did; you call it "bettering yourself." That's not how I see it at all. I see nothing better in a fit person, other than perhaps a marginally higher life expectancy. And while more self-esteem may be a good thing, I think you could better yourself for real if you try to build self-confidence without buying into society's definition of what is a tolerable figure.
If you changed your lifestyle to exclude being lazy, then that's great and you deserve to be proud. If all you did was diet or exercise for a few weeks to reverse the damage, you haven't addressed the root cause, and I just don't see that as something that's very valuable in itself.I was self conscious because I was a lazy bastard who never got off the couch and was always on the computer. I had skin hanging off of my body which represented a complete disregard for my well being. Simply not caring is just proof enough that you do care enough to not care.
I changed my whole self image and how I even view life. That's why I am so passionate about the subject.If you changed your lifestyle to exclude being lazy, then that's great and you deserve to be proud. If all you did was diet or exercise for a few weeks to reverse the damage, you haven't addressed the root cause, and I just don't see that as something that's very valuable in itself.
To quote Felicia from Sora no Woto, "I'm sure there's no meaning in this world. But isn't that wonderful? That means you can find your own." This is something I have long held to be true; there is no pre-ordained purpose to our lives, which leave us free to find our own meaning. I have made my own meaning in life, and as a result, I am happy. And it bothers me very much when society tells me that the things I choose to do in life are pointless or abnormal or whatever, and so I ignore what society tells me is the right way to live my life and live it how I want to.I changed my whole self image and how I even view life. That's why I am so passionate about the subject.
The root cause is because I didn't there was anything to life, a belief that I am very happy was ripped from my being. We only have a short time living, why contemplate reasons why to hate society when you can just use it to be happy while we're here?
To quote Felicia from Sora no Woto, "I'm sure there's no meaning in this world. But isn't that wonderful? That means you can find your own." This is something I have long held to be true; there is no pre-ordained purpose to our lives, which leave us free to find our own meaning. I have made my own meaning in life, and as a result, I am happy. And it bothers me very much when society tells me that the things I choose to do in life are pointless or abnormal or whatever, and so I ignore what society tells me is the right way to live my life and live it how I want to.