5th Gen B/W Evolutions Discussion

[solarowl]

I made a new one since the old one died quite a while ago. >_>
Link:https://www.pokecommunity.com/showthread.php?t=233167
So, this Gen, there has definitely been a lot of changes in evolution. An interesing one was specific trades.
Kaburumotraded specifically with Chobomaki

results in
Kaburumo evolving into Shuburago
And Chobomaki evolving into Agirudaa

Feebas evolving into Milotic by trading it with a Clean Scale. Which makes it a lot easier for most of us.
Eevee evolves into Glaceon leveling up near an Icy Rock in the Ridge Basement
Eevee evolves into Leafeon leveling up near a Moss Rock in the Yaguruma Forest.
Magneton and Nosepass evolve into Magnezone and Probopass by leveling in the Electric Rock cave instead of Mt. Coronet.

The main thing that caught my attention was higher evolution levels.
For example: Monozu evolving into Jiheddo at level 50 and Jiheddo evolving into Sazandora at level 64. Didn't this seem abnormal to you guys?
Many basic forms of Pokemon this Gen evolve into their next form in their 50s, while in the previous Gens, I believe the latest was level 40.

I actually like having later evolution levels. You can bond more with your Pokemon, and it just feels good to know you've accomplished that. Besides, most people who battle with the pokemon they're leveling want to get it too level 100. It's just the same thing, but evolving later. But if you just want to evolve it for your Pokedex, or just to say " I have a Sazandora!" then it is definitely a big pain.

Anyway, so basically discuss about Pokemon Evolution. Do you like the higher evolution levels and/or other methods of evolution?

Discuss! :D

 

[PlatinumDude]

I like how Milotic is easier to get in Gen V because maxing out its beauty condition was a pain. I don't like higher evolutionary levels because I want my Pokemon to be in their full forms before the Pokemon League.

Hitomoshi into Ranpuura (level 41) is pushing the high evolutionary level concept, but the Monozu (level 50 and 64) and Meraruba (level 59) lines are just too insane for me to comprehend.

 

[OmegaRuby and AlphaSapphire]

I'm glad to see that they figured out a way to get our Grass and Ice eeveelutions in Bw instead of trading them like that from DPPt like they did with HgSs (which made me sad to not be able to get Leafeon and Glaceon on there :( ) :)

 

[Her]

I realize is on a completely new continent and all, but honestly, how can Mamanbou not be an evolution of Luvdisc? It's simply too similar. And same with Afro Bull (I forgot it's actual name), it should be an evo of Tauros. ;-;

 

[Fushigidane-Chan]

One bad thing about so many Pokemon requiring such high levels to evolve is that you can't really use them in the main story unless you grind for a long time. So you can't really experience a lot of the great new Pokemon in the story, which is a shame.

 

[The Red Chain]

Patience is just about almost always required in any RPG game that requires a mass amount of grinding. Pokemon being an obvious example of one of those games. :( And no, I'm not including rare candy leveling here either.

B&W changed that mass-grinding thing quite drastically.
We have a little mini-Chansey that is as common as a Pidgey : Tabunne. :3
Depending on your and it's level and whether or not you're holding a Lucky Egg you will get about 1-4,000 exp per kill. ^^

With that little Pokemon, I've found that evolution is actually not very difficult to achieve in B&W.
Though the levels for some of the evolutions are pretty ridiculous I really don't mind it thanks to Tabunne. :D

Some of the methods are a little odd though, like the example the OP gave and having to level some Pokemon in summer..
Good thing the seasons change fast, and that Wifi is more common these days. ^^;
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[Fushigidane-Chan]

Patience is just about almost always required in any RPG game that requires a mass amount of grinding. Pokemon being an obvious example of one of those games. :( And no, I'm not including rare candy leveling here either.

I'm expecting the story to at least be long enough so that your Pokemon would at least be in their 50's or around there, so it's not like it's that much of a big deal anyway.

Black and White is actually much shorter than one would expect. Your Pokemon won't be much higher than the low-to-mid 40s by the time you reach and defeat the Elite Four.

And a mass amount of grinding isn't fun and should not be necessary. Even with Tabunne.

 

[Ho-Oh]

Just reminding you guys about the hidden away experience points thread, incase discussion heads that way. :)

I'm quite surprised that the evolution levels are that high, but then again, most of the Pokemon that have high evolution levels, except for probably Ononokusu, I won't be using, so yeah :D

 

[Fushigidane-Chan]

Anywho, one thing I do like is that Janovy evolves at level 36, just like his Fire-type and Water-type equivalents. It gives a better sense at equality, unlike in RBY and DPPt where the middle-stage Grass-type starter evolved earlier than the others...

I also like the method to evolve Chobomaki and Kaburumo. Very creative imo.

 

[The Red Chain]

This is just me, but it's to be expected. More Pokemon, means various evolutionary levels, which means that the highest evolutionary level isn't going to stay 55 for long. :(

Yeah, 55 as the highest evolutionary level was beaten already.
Now the highest evolutionary level is 64. Sazandora's pre-evolution evolves at that level.
Crazyyy, I never expected it to hit 60.. ever. O_o
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[solarowl]

I'm awaiting the day something would actually evolve at level 100. That would be more mind-blowing than anything else.

That would have to be one epic pokemon then.

 

[OmegaRuby and AlphaSapphire]

Wow, really? Back when I played HGSS, my Pokemon were at least barely touching 50 when I faced the E4, and I think in D/P/P it was around that same level too, though probably higher. xDD



This is just me, but it's to be expected. More Pokemon, means various evolutionary levels, which means that the highest evolutionary level isn't going to stay 55 for long. :(

The ironic thing is that this gen has as many pokemon as the gen that gave us the highest (Dragonite in gen 1!)
I will have some hard work evolving the Unova pokemon and even more filling up the BW National dex...

 

[solarowl]

Yeah, 55 as the highest evolutionary level was beaten already.
Now the highest evolutionary level is 64. Sazandora's pre-evolution evolves at that level.
Crazyyy, I never expected it to hit 60.. ever. O_o
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Yeah that was a bit high for me at first. I didn't think they would exceed level 55.

 

[OmegaRuby and AlphaSapphire]

A really powerful psuedo-legendary would do. :D;



I was never the person to complete the Pokedex, because I'm too lazy and it'll be too much for me at this point. xD;

Or the first legendary that can evolve...
I always try to but never seem to make it...

 

[OmegaRuby and AlphaSapphire]

You know, I actually agree with you on certain points. There should at least be one legendary that could evolve, and if anything, it would have to evolve at a pretty high levels. Legendaries are known for having really high strength, but make this one specific legendary have like, borderline stats or something. Pretty much average, for the most part. And then make it's evolved form even stronger to at least balance everything out, that way the Pokemon won't become too strong, but not weak, either. xD

I want something along the lines of a Sazandora-ish legendary, a snake that evolves into a flying hydra or something. Everytime I look at Sazandora, I always take note of how epic it looks and how it just had to be a legendary, but it isn't. :(

Speaking of Sazandora too bad it evolves at such a high level :(
Though it is a Pseudo legendary (explains it having the highest evolution level out of all BW pokemon (and all pokemon...) ) :)

 

[The Red Chain]

I'll give my thoughts on the evolving legendary.
I don't think an evolving legendary would really be an appropriate thing since legendaries are supposed to be above all other Pokemon because they are "complete beings". With that I'd think that means that their power cannot be exceeded and they are.. well, complete. They have no evolutions because they are already at their highest potential and very ~godly~.

I honestly like sticking with forms for legendaries.. it just makes more sense than evolution would, in my opinion.
They change drastically just like evolution, but they are still the same Pokemon. :3
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[The Red Chain]

I would agree with you on that point, but what about a legendary that has not quite reached it's "full potential" or "godliest" point as of yet, and needs to evolve in order to do so? I have proposed before that something could be made that isn't too strong, yet isn't weak either, just to balance things out.

But don't you think that would ruin the purpose of the word legendary?
I mean look at the small legendaries.. they look weak and lacking in potential.. like they need to evolve. But in fact they are just little boxes of dynamite waiting to blow up and totally destroy you. I love that kind of thing with legendaries, and I think it would be a little bit ruined if an evolving legendary came up..

That's just my opinion, but I just really don't like the idea. XD;
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[solarowl]

Well, actually I think there should eventually be a legendary that evolves, but I do agree that "small" legendary pokemon are very powerful. Mew, Shaymin, they're all great pokemon and I'm hoping one day they will decide to make one evolve.

 

[Sariix]

The idea of an evolving legendary is actually sound. I mean, the idea of a legendary has already been horribly watered down with each passing game Nintendo pushes out, how is it legendary is everyone has one? But to complete a certain series of events that seem tedious and impossible to do without a guild just to make the legendary appear, and to make it go further by doing even more to unlock a evolution would be pretty darn cool.

Sheesh, I'd love to make MewTwo (still the most powerful pokemon in the world in my opinion) able to channel his "limitless" power enough to even control his own evolution to a higher, more refined form.

That... And to have him wear his armor... Stuff looked awesome!

 

[Sariix]

But I don't want Nintendo to make a habit of making evolving legendaries and further ruining the meaning behind "legendary". I mean, for me, it hasn't been ruined yet, I haven't really been paying attention to the amount of legendaries and nor does it necessarily bother me much, but if only one evolving legendary could be made, and if it was exclusive and hard to get and stuff, then that would be enough for me.

I could be cool with that, but it would have to be stupidly hard to get if I was to be happy :P I mean, a legendary is a legendary, one of a kind... If everyone has one, then it looses the rarity. I never cared for how the pokemon were always in a set location.

Look at the legendary cats of Jhoto, they were stupidly hard to catch because you couldn't track them down... That's how it should be I think, save for harder to set off them roaming around the world, hidden. I'd be overjoyed with that.