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BBC: Canada primed for snap election (Your voting too eh?)

Which party are you voting for?

  • Liberal Party

    Votes: 0 0.0%
  • Conservative Party

    Votes: 4 50.0%
  • Other Third Party

    Votes: 4 50.0%

  • Total voters
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  • Poll closed .

TRIFORCE89

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    Manufacturing jobs are lost all the time. :/ Haha, I'll admit I haven't been paying attention to that area of the news much at all recently so maybe that's why it doesn't come as a surprise to me.
    My point was...Ontario's Liberal government blames the Federal conservatives for the manufacturing problems - not themselves. Evidently, the people who hold those jobs don't think so.

    There was a bunch of "hip" vote things going on. There was even a whole Anti-Harper movement on Facebook where people would guess at which non-Tory party would win a riding and then swap votes to ensure that their party wins (so like "I'll vote Liberal if you vote Green"). But apparently the appeal was only online. The green picked up zero seats.

    What I've found from this record low turn-out is that those who complain the most don't vote and therefore should not complain.

    A majority would've been nice but I'm not complaining. I think it worked rather well. A stronger majority, Liberal presence is down, and the Tories managed to break into a few ridings they didn't have before. I'm a happy camper. lol
     
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    Cherrim

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    Ah. No, I've never really had a problem with the way Conservatives deal with that sector in the sense that... I've never noticed a real problem. I just remember that a LOT of plants closed down a few years ago while the Liberals were still around--that's when the plant my dad worked at closed down and he lost his job so haha I still hang on to that. :|

    I didn't even realize there was any of this stuff until I actually took the initiative to go to the parties' websites and found links to it unintentionally. Of course, tons of youth don't bother even looknig things up in the first place. :[ Now that I've mentioned it, I seriously think the government and the individual parties need to start targetting more youth or something. Get everyone our age voting, or at least interested in it or else I think the voting percentage is only going to go down. <_<; It already amazes me that I know people who INTENTIONALLY don't vote but... yeah, I just don't get the low turnout. :[

    Ever since I was a kid, I've maintained the idea that if you don't vote, you have NO right to complain. If you do vote, whine all you want. You voted Conservative yesterday and they screw up? You can whine about how they didn't keep their promises. You didn't vote Conservative? Whine about how everyone else screwed up with their vote. ;p But if you sat around and did nothing, it's your own fault and you should stfu. :(
     

    TRIFORCE89

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    Ah. No, I've never really had a problem with the way Conservatives deal with that sector in the sense that... I've never noticed a real problem. I just remember that a LOT of plants closed down a few years ago while the Liberals were still around--that's when the plant my dad worked at closed down and he lost his job so haha I still hang on to that. :|

    I didn't even realize there was any of this stuff until I actually took the initiative to go to the parties' websites and found links to it unintentionally. Of course, tons of youth don't bother even looknig things up in the first place. :[ Now that I've mentioned it, I seriously think the government and the individual parties need to start targetting more youth or something. Get everyone our age voting, or at least interested in it or else I think the voting percentage is only going to go down. <_<; It already amazes me that I know people who INTENTIONALLY don't vote but... yeah, I just don't get the low turnout. :[

    Ever since I was a kid, I've maintained the idea that if you don't vote, you have NO right to complain. If you do vote, whine all you want. You voted Conservative yesterday and they screw up? You can whine about how they didn't keep their promises. You didn't vote Conservative? Whine about how everyone else screwed up with their vote. ;p But if you sat around and did nothing, it's your own fault and you should stfu. :(
    The States will probably have a big turnout this year and they only have two parties on the ballot (plus independent but that's not going to happen XD). We had five parties. You would think that between those five everyone who can vote would've found someone that appealed to them.

    We haven't had this Conservative government too long and they came up after 12 years of Liberal control. And people like Ignatieff and Rae last night were saying things like "Sometimes life isn't fair" and "It's been too long since we've won". What the heck? They're still the lead opposition, what's the big deal? Layton should feel bad. He picked up more seats than last time through out the country, but one party from one Provence managed to boot him down to fourth place. @_@
     

    Cherrim

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    idk, no one in this election really appealed to me. I dislike Harper. I dislike Dion even more. (Ahaha, that's not even getting into either party.) Then... me? Green party? Hahahahaha. And idk, NDP is just kinda there; I feel bad 'cause I find it so hard to take them all that seriously sometimes. xD; I'm sure they're all good leaders for their party but... no one really, really stands out. :| I think part of the reason the US is going to get a better turnout is not only have candidates been shoved in their faces for like a year now, but each candidate has solid ideals they stand for. You're on their side or against. Here it's all in the details and few people like bothering to look those up. 8/ The more parties you have, the more research you (should) have to do in order to form your opinion.

    Haha, really? Liberals are whining already? I can't say I'm too surprised but that's just sad. XD And baaw, I do feel bad for Layton. :[ One province beat him out all over the country; I bet it sucks to be him today.
     

    TRIFORCE89

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    I have no intention of asking you who you voted for. You know my pick because I'm vocal on where I lean politically, I have no qualms making that public. But your vote is your business. But dang you've made me curious since it looks like you like no one. XD

    *still doesn't want to know*
     
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    Thoughts...

    Hmm...well after $300 million spent, another snap election has passed, and things are back to square one...Thoughts on the parties....

    Conservatives: A stronger minority, I'm content with that...Now do things with a little bit more flexibility...But they are still hindered by the fact that concessions are needed to move forward with laws in the HOC. I'm just worried on how 4 parties are going to work together during this global economic crisis.
    Liberals: Wow...Losing 10 seats, that's bad, if they truly want to be the Official Opposition party they need to either get their act together or form a "left" alliance with the NDP. Kinda like what the Conservative Party did (Canadian Alliance & Progressive-Conservatives) I don't think Stephen Dion would still be there in May.
    NDP: Hmm...7 seats+ =D But as I said they should think about a coalition with the Liberals...
    Bloc du Quebec: Wow...A Single Province Secessionist party keeps both parties from becoming a Majority...Wow....Just...Wow...
    Green: The "marijuana" party got no new seats XP but...yeah....
     

    TRIFORCE89

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    People from all parties often don't vote along side their own party. I don't think it will be that difficult to convince 12 other people to vote with the Conservatives are on a few things.

    I hardly think not being in power for two and half years is reason to merge the two parties together. First time they lost because they were coming out of a huge scandal. The second time was because of they chose a goofy leader (he's a very bright man, but he's not the most likeable person in the world). The two conservative parties merged after TWELVE YEARS of losing because they were splitting the "right" vote.

    I can see the greens and the NDP merging because they're both left. But, the Liberals define themselves as centre, so I can't see them merging with a left party.
     
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    Oh...Thanks....

    People from all parties often don't vote along side their own party. I don't think it will be that difficult to convince 12 other people to vote with the Conservatives are on a few things.

    I hardly think not being in power for two and half years is reason to merge the two parties together. First time they lost because they were coming out of a huge scandal. The second time was because of they chose a goofy leader (he's a very bright man, but he's not the most likeable person in the world). The two conservative parties merged after TWELVE YEARS of losing because they were splitting the "right" vote.

    I can see the greens and the NDP merging because they're both left. But, the Liberals define themselves as centre, so I can't see them merging with a left party.

    You cleared up some things for me, thank you...But the Liberals are center? =O That's a big surprise for me...So does that mean that Republicans are Right-Center? Because the way the Republican's use the name "Liberal" has a "bad" connotation of someone being on the left. I mean you've seen how they say that "Obama is the most Liberal Senator on the US Senate." Differences in Canadian and American Politics...(Wow they were right, America IS a Center-Right Country)
     

    TRIFORCE89

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    You cleared up some things for me, thank you...But the Liberals are center? =O That's a big surprise for me...So does that mean that Republicans are Right-Center? Because the way the Republican's use the name "Liberal" has a "bad" connotation of someone being on the left. I mean you've seen how they say that "Obama is the most Liberal Senator on the US Senate." Differences in Canadian and American Politics...(Wow they were right, America IS a Center-Right Country)
    That's....hard to label. XD You sorta have to ballpark it. I would try to tackle it like this:

    Green Party = Left; their official stance is that they're nothing. XD And that they'll adapt to what's needed at the present time. But right now (and for ages) they've been Left. They practise Green politics surprisngly enough. lol
    New Democratic Party = Centre-Left. They practise Democratic Socialism
    Liberal Party = Centre. They practise Social Liberalism.
    Progressive Conservative Party = Centre-Right; I'm mentioning this because I live in Ontario and we still have this party at the Provincial level. I fall here. They practise Liberal Conservatism.
    Conservative Party = ...somewhere between Centre-Right and Right since it is a merger of the Federal PC Party (Centre-Right) and the Canadian Alliance (Right) and they had to make a compromise and as such they currently practise Liberal Conservatism. Harper was part of the Canadian Alliance.

    And then there's the Bloc Québécois. I have no idea where they fall on the spectrum. Uhh...the French end? XD They pretty much just go for Québec Sovereignty.

    That's that for the major parties. We have some fringe parties out there that would fall closer to things like Far Left and Far Right, but none of the major ones really go that route.

    I would say that the Democratic Party would be most similar the Liberals because they practise Social Liberalism and that the Republican Party would be most similar to what the Canadian Alliance was as they practise Social Conservatism (which is a Canadian Alliance thing, not a PC thing, nor an aspect of the merged party).

    It's tough to make a comparison. In general, even with the Conservatives, I would say that Canada falls more to the Left than America does and is more Social than America is. Canada is Social Democracy (somewhat). The States...not so much. The degree of rightism and leftism for each party varies on the leader of the party at the time. But the above is how I would try to label it.
     
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    Oh thank you again....The Bloc Quebecois really does keep either major party from gaining an easy majority...I understand the English-French rivalries but the political paralysis that results I don't understand...Seriously tell me how can Quebec alone fight the Economic Crisis without the rest of Canada? :D
     

    TRIFORCE89

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    I haven't figured that out yet. I don't think they have either. XD If the Bloc were to win a federal election somehow, then Quebec separates and...I'm not sure what happens to the rest of us.
     
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    Eh...

    I haven't figured that out yet. I don't think they have either. XD If the Bloc were to win a federal election somehow, then Quebec separates and...I'm not sure what happens to the rest of us.

    And you guys think that an NAU is scary. >_> But actual seperation...Just something to think about. I've been wondering about that for a while now...What form of government would Quebec form? How will it cope with international disasters? etc...:( Seriously be practical. Quebec already has quite the autonomy.
     

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    You couldn't have even if you wanted to. XD;

    Does anyone from BQ even run outside of Quebec?
     

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    I'm thinking there's probably one in Ottawa but aside from there, even in the French speaking parts of New Brunswick I don't think they run. o_O;
     
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