Beedrill Sweep Help

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*Doubles

After learning Focus Energy + Scope Lens = 100% Crit, I decided to try my hand at building a team around this. I think this is actually the first team I've completely thought out, and obviously it isn't very balanced at all, but regardless, any feedback is appreciated.

Beedrill is the main star here. The idea is for all the other guys to take the fall with either Rage Powder or Follow Me, and in the case of Greninja, Mat Block. I got 7 'mons here, so trying to cut somebody. Scolipede is there to pass boosts to Beedrill, but isn't entirely necessary. And I've been testing out Greninja's Mat Block, which, since it's priority zero, is often useless. So I'm thinking about getting rid of one of those guys.

Beedrill @Scope Lens
Sniper
4 HP/252 Atk/252 Spe
-Focus Energy
-Pin Missile
-Poison Jab
-Brick Break/Fell Stinger

Amoongus @Black Sludge
Effect Spore
252 HP/132 Def/124 SpD
-Rage Powder
-Spore
-Giga Darin/Synthesis
-Stun Spore/Synthesis

Clefable @Light Clay/Leftovers
Magic Guard
252 HP/252 Def/4 Spe
-Follow Me
-Moonlight/Wish/Heal Pulse/Aromatherapy
-Reflect/Moonblast/Dazzling Gleam
-Light Screen/Fireblast/Dazzling Gleam

Lucario @Lucarionite
Inner Focus
252 HP/252 Atk/4 Spe
-Follow Me
-Bullet Punch
-Quick Quard/Heal Pulse
-Close Combat

Togekiss @Leftovers/Assault Vest
Superluck (Serene Grace for Air Slash)
252 HP/4 Def/252 Spe
-Follow Me
-Roost
-Thunder Wave
-Dazzling Gleam/Fire Blast/Air Slash

Scolipede @Focus Sash
Speed Boost
252 HP/4 Atk/252 Spe
-Swords Dance
-Iron Defense/Substitute
-Protect
-Megahorn

Greninja @Choice Scarf(meh)/Quick Claw(lol)/Life Orb
Protean
4 HP/252 SpA/252 Spe
-Mat Block
-Scald/Surf/Toxic Spikes
-Ice Beam/Blizzard
-Dark Pulse/Toxic Spikes

 

[Nah]

I can't help you much here, since I'm a singles person. I don't really do doubles. But between Scolipede and Greninja, I'd say keep Greninja. You have enough Pokémon weak to fire already. You can just replace Mat Block with Protect. And Life Orb is the better item for it.

I am curious to see if this Beedrill sweep could work.....

 

[Griffinbane]

Uhm... I'm sorry to say this, but your team needs to be completely scrapped. Beedrill is too frail to do much of anything. Talonflame eats Beedrill and Scolipede alive, spread moves like Earthquake or Surf will ruin your strategy, Taunt also ruins you, burn or paralysis will leave you a sitting duck. Beedrill, Clefable, and Scolipede are utter crap in doubles, and Lucario is marginal. Also, Kingdra uses Sniper far better than Beedrill ever can. And good luck damaging anything that's bulky and fast.

If you really want a list of things that'll defeat your team, I can come up with at least 20, easily. Good teams are built to handle as many situations as they possibly can. Your team is too one-dimensional, too reliant on one single strategy.

 

[Flushed]

I can't help you much here, since I'm a singles person. I don't really do doubles. But between Scolipede and Greninja, I'd say keep Greninja. You have enough Pokémon weak to fire already. You can just replace Mat Block with Protect. And Life Orb is the better item for it.

I am curious to see if this Beedrill sweep could work.....

Protect does not protect both Pokemon though, only Greninja.

Uhm... I'm sorry to say this, but your team needs to be completely scrapped. Beedrill is too frail to do much of anything. Talonflame eats Beedrill and Scolipede alive, spread moves like Earthquake or Surf will ruin your strategy, Taunt also ruins you, burn or paralysis will leave you a sitting duck. Beedrill, Clefable, and Scolipede are utter crap in doubles, and Lucario is marginal. Also, Kingdra uses Sniper far better than Beedrill ever can. And good luck damaging anything that's bulky and fast.

If you really want a list of things that'll defeat your team, I can come up with at least 20, easily. Good teams are built to handle as many situations as they possibly can. Your team is too one-dimensional, too reliant on one single strategy.

I'm quite aware that Beedrill is frail, hence 5 other support Pokemon haha. Taunt I suppose could be dealt with by my own Taunts. Clefable's Aromatherapy helps with status. Damaging 'mons that are bulky and fast shouldn't be too much of a problem with Sniper+any moves my supporting Pokemon can through down, plus the fact that Follow Me/Rage Powder is +3 Speed (allowing Beedrill at least one shot at Talonflame). The only thing I didn't really think of is spread moves. I could try switching out Beedrill and have the other guys try to take out the threat. And I know Kingdra is preferred, however I just like Beedrill and think it would be quite interesting to pull something off with it.

I realize this team is dependent upon 1-gimmick, but I try to support that single strategy in as many ways as possible. Ideally, if you have Beedrill, and a recovering wall like Amoonguss, you can direct all the attacks away will Beedrill goes in for the kill, taking opportunities to heal up, switch out, do whatever I need to do.

 

[Ársa]

As far as the Focus Energy strat goes, I believe Kingdra is a far better user of it. Simply put, it has less weaknesses, better coverage, and plays far better in doubles than Beedril.

Also as Griff said, your team lacks synergy. Doubles theorymon is just that - you really need to build the team and play with it to see how strategically sound it is. All bar-Clefable and Togekiss are run through by Talonflame, who is a top 5 used pokemon in Battle Spot Doubles according to Showdown stats.

 

[Flushed]

As far as the Focus Energy strat goes, I believe Kingdra is a far better user of it. Simply put, it has less weaknesses, better coverage, and plays far better in doubles than Beedril.

Also as Griff said, your team lacks synergy. Doubles theorymon is just that - you really need to build the team and play with it to see how strategically sound it is. All bar-Clefable and Togekiss are run through by Talonflame, who is a top 5 used pokemon in Battle Spot Doubles according to Showdown stats.

Like I said, I acknowledge Kingdra is the superior Sniper. However, /rantbegin, I prefer Beedrill as an overall Pokemon, and I do feel that at least once in awhile you should use 'mons that you actually enjoy using. And in this way I'm trying to support Beedrill in any way I can by redirecting the attacks to make sure he has a chance to shine. Beedrill does have decent coverage, from what I can tell, and the only Pokemon I can really think of at the moment that present coverage problems are Crobat and Gliscor, which can be dealt with by Greninja or perhaps Lucario even.

And I plan to test it out, see what works an what doesn't, see if Greninja can procure a good spot on this team, etc. Talonflame shouldn't be too much of a problem if I sacrifice a 'mon to get a Poison Jab in, which OHKOs.

 

[Nah]

You might as well test it out on Pokemon Showdown. What's the worst that could happen?

 

[Flushed]

You might as well test it out on Pokemon Showdown. What's the worst that could happen?

Never actually used Showdown, so I tried it, and sooo confused. Rage Powder doesn't seem to work,figured out why haha, but Beedrill gets OHKOed by a Breloom Mach Punch. Both battles my Beedrill has been taken out first or second turn, but my team can still function without it. I guess I'll try some more battles and see what works.

 

[Griffinbane]

Well, if you insist... Find a way to defeat steel types. Aggron, Mawile, and Metagross wall you hard.

Since this a post-bank team, you'll be dealing with Taunt from Thundurus and maybe Sableye, two of the fastest users in doubles. You'll need at least two attacks on each Pokemon to be able to stand up against these two. Also, don't be surprised if Thundurus throws Thunder Wave everywhere. Find a way to get around your paralysis weakness.

252 SpA Cresselia can kill Scolipede and Beedrill in 2 shots. It laughs at the rest of your team because of how specially defensive it is. It takes Tyranitar 3x Crunch to kill Cress, think about how much it would take for your bugs to do so.

Trick Room cripples you. Speed rain cripples you.

Charizard Y rips 6/7 of your team apart. You'll need rock attacks.

Lucario needs full investment into attack and speed. It's too frail to bother with HP investment, even in mega form.

 

[Flushed]

Well, if you insist... Find a way to defeat steel types. Aggron, Mawile, and Metagross wall you hard.

Since this a post-bank team, you'll be dealing with Taunt from Thundurus and maybe Sableye, two of the fastest users in doubles. You'll need at least two attacks on each Pokemon to be able to stand up against these two. Also, don't be surprised if Thundurus throws Thunder Wave everywhere. Find a way to get around your paralysis weakness.

252 SpA Cresselia can kill Scolipede and Beedrill in 2 shots. It laughs at the rest of your team because of how specially defensive it is. It takes Tyranitar 3x Crunch to kill Cress, think about how much it would take for your bugs to do so.

Trick Room cripples you. Speed rain cripples you.

Charizard Y rips 6/7 of your team apart. You'll need rock attacks.

Lucario needs full investment into attack and speed. It's too frail to bother with HP investment, even in mega form.

My thought process going into a battle is, with any one or two of these threats, I should be able to proceed and knock them out. All of them on one team? Then I'm probably screwed.

As long as Beedrill gets two shots at Brick Breaking Steel types, I should be fine. I've also got Lucario, Fire Blast Clefable and Greninja.

From the 5 or so battles I've done so far, Amoonguss (or whichever lead) has been able to attract T-waves from Klefki pretty well. Often times they won't try to go for the paralysis on the other 'mon since Amoonguss isn't guaranteed to not get off another Rage Powder. I've also got Aromatherapy. I haven't precisely figured out how to get around Taunt, but I'm working on it.

I've scrapped Scolipede, but a Beedrill Pin Missile has the potential to OHKO Cresselia, again, as long as I got a Follow Me 'mon.

Same for Speed, Follow Me and Rage Powder get +3 priority, so as long as I'm able to wall one attack, Beedrill will be free to attack. If my wall is felled, I send in another one.

Charizard is OHKOed by Poison Jab, so as long as I sacrifice a guy I should be fine.

My defiance is not for the sake of argument, but to show that there is at least some viability in this team. Obviously the counter-situations I give have major flaws; Beedrill will go down occasionally. But I've got Pokemon that know moves that actually do damage, so I have a semi-productive backup plan. I guess after putting together a team I don't exactly expect to be advised to scratch it. My defying your counters is my hope that perhaps this team is at least worthy enough of suggestions for improvement, rather than ditching the whole thing.