Before and after 9/11: how the event changed the world

I was but a young lad when this happened and I remember the principle gathering everyone to assembly and telling us the news of what had happened.

Do you think it is fair to say that it is a different world after 9/11 than it was before?
Wait wait wait, let me stop you right there and tell you America != the world. It had changed America on a large scale, but the rest of the world? very little. Sure some people mourned for the losses, but other than that not much.

do you think that while fear has increased, the world is still the same?
Fear is always around, no matter how safe a place can be, so the world(in general, not just America) is still the same but more paranoid.

Are there enough security measures in place to prevent future terrorism attacks of this scale?
There is never enough security measures. But having x-rays at airports to see nudes isn't very cool.

do you think there is too much security than is actually needed?
There is never enough security and too much of security abusing their powers. i.e. TSA agents.

and that fear has played on all of our minds too much?
Humans are a very paranoid species

Do you think future generations will be at an advantage or disadvantage growing up in the world like it is now?
The future generation will be too busy exploring space and not caring enough about what happens.

You could say they're at an advantage because now as a society we're more wary of things; however ignorance can be bliss. With the constant fear of something happening, is that really the way to live?
As you said, Ignorance is bliss.
 
To me 9/11 just made the world focus on perceived threats more rather than promoting equality and more intercommunication between people of different countries.
 
Do you think it is fair to say that it is a different world after 9/11 than it was before?
Not changed much, I think it's definitely a world event that will make textbooks and all that. Security is definitely on their guard all over the place though.

Are there enough security measures in place to prevent future terrorism attacks of this scale?
Apparently, after investigating Bin Laden's house, he was supposedly going to make another move on THIS 9/11. So all I know about that is all American military stations are on high alert and might go on lock down on 9/11 this year. I went on the Navy base (Mayport) yesterday, and they were being pretty strict about security. Not ridiculous strict, but everyone who enters the base HAS to have a Military ID. Even if the driver has one and the passenger doesn't. They won't let anyone on base without an ID.

Do you think future generations will be at an advantage or disadvantage growing up in the world like it is now?
It's hard to say, since the situation isn't resolved yet. It might change things in the US, but for the rest of the world, I'm not sure.
 
Igiko said:
Do you think it is fair to say that it is a different world after 9/11 than it was before?
Not changed much, I think it's definitely a world event that will make textbooks and all that.

Are there enough security measures in place to prevent future terrorism attacks of this scale?
Apparently, after investigating Bin Laden;s house, he was supposedly going to make another move on THIS 9/11. So all I know about that is all American military stations are on high alert and might go on lock down on 9/11 this year. I went on the Navy base yesterday, and they were being pretty strict about security. Not ridiculous strict, but everyone who enters the base HAS to have a Military ID. Even if the driver has one and the passenger doesn't. They won't let anyone on base without an ID.

Do you think future generations will be at an advantage or disadvantage growing up in the world like it is now?
It's hard to say, since the situation isn't resolved yet. It might change things in the US, but for the rest of the world, I'm not sure.
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Are you apart of the Military? I thought the whole Bon Laden thing about him being shot was a hoax...I could've sworn he died in 2002, he was on dialysis last I heard..I could be wrong.
 
HackChu said:
Are you apart of the Military? I thought the whole Bon Laden thing about him being shot was a hoax...I could've sworn he died in 2002, he was on dialysis last I heard..I could be wrong.
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I'm in the process of joining the Navy.
The only reason I'm allowed on base is because my parents are both retired Navy haha.

But I'm not exactly an expert on Bin Laden's death. I only remember when they released the news a new months ago that some American soldier shot him. As far as we were INFORMED, he was hiding in the mountains, then he was chillin' in the Suburbs. I dunno.
 
Igiko said:


I'm in the process of joining the Navy.
The only reason I'm allowed on base is because my parents are both retired Navy haha.

But I'm not exactly an expert on Bin Laden's death. I only remember when they released the news a new months ago that some American soldier shot him. As far as we were INFORMED, he was hiding in the mountains, then he was chillin' in the Suburbs. I dunno.
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Yeah, it all sounds crazy. They said after 9/11 Bin Laden was in an American hospital in DC. It's all just a bruised up story. Story for another time I guess.

Good luck in the military, just don't become self-centered and feel as though you have to be forced to work for the New World Order or w.e
 
HackChu said:
Yeah, it all sounds crazy. They said after 9/11 Bin Laden was in an American hospital in DC. It's all just a bruised up story. Story for another time I guess.

Good luck in the military, just don't become self-centered and feel as though you have to be forced to work for the New World Order or w.e
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No no I'm doing it for myself haha.
I'll never turn out to be one of those egotistical I SERVED IN THE MILITARY kinds of people.

My dad is one of those. I refuse to become like that.
 
HackChu said:
Yeah, it all sounds crazy. They said after 9/11 Bin Laden was in an American hospital in DC. It's all just a bruised up story. Story for another time I guess.
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There have been a lot of hoaxes, but tthis time they managed to collect evidence. You can't really say it's a hoax when Obama, Clinton, the chief of the CIA and the secretary of Defence spent ours watching the operation via webcam during the night XD

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Death_of_Osama_bin_Laden
 
I feel the need that I have to mention in advance that I do not have anything against America.

Do you think it is fair to say that it is a different world after 9/11 than it was before?
I think the world has definitely changed. But not because of the attack, but because of the way the US responded to it. America is extremely patriotic, in general. They do everything for their country, whether it's good or bad, and since 9/11 happened, they have been pointing fingers to the Islam, while the Islam had absolutely nothing to do with it. The people who did it were extremists, and whatever the religion, extremists are always bad, it had nothing to do with the Islam. Bush took that attack as a reason and a motive to declare war with Iraq, but he was going to do it anyway, he just took it as a reason, and at that moment, all of the US was supporting him in that, obviously. It was despicable what he did, and he made it ten times worse. The world didn't change because of the attack, it did because of the action that Bush took. Six years of war absolutely sucked the life, literally and figuratively, out of the US, and it should have never happened.

And I am sick and tired, of all those people blaming the Islam. They had nothing to do with it. I know that there have been terrorist attacks, and I don't support them at all, obviously, but what Bush did might have been as bad. He absolutely destroyed that country, and left America in a crisis.

Also, people have been mourning and whining about this 9/11 up to this day, and I'm just going to be very blunt about this; get over it. That would have been easier to do if Bush wouldn't have done what he did, but still. I am not saying that I don't think what happened with the Twin Towers is terrible - because it is, but it was dealt with in an incredibly childish manner, which I don't support at all. What bothers me as well, is that this is not the only terrorist attack that took place. There have been disastrous events, just like this one, in other countries as well, but do you see anyone caring for those? America is huge and it is very influential, and they pull everyone along with them. Do I see anyone caring for the victims in Iraq though? The devastation that took place there? The country is in ruins, but you'll never hear anything about it, except from the people who have to 'deal' with it. It makes me extremely mad.

I feel terrible for America, and for what happened. And don't get me wrong please, I don't want to have anyone on my back right now, but this has been on my mind for so long that I just needed to express it. I feel like I should be free to have an opinion, everyone should be. Forgive my Dutch bluntness.

Are there enough security measures in place to prevent future terrorism attacks of this scale?
I think that there are enough security measures, but that's not going to prevent terrorism attacks from happening. They are going to happen anyway, and you can secure everything, but you can't prevent it.

Do you think future generations will be at an advantage or disadvantage growing up in the world like it is now?
I have no idea about this, and frankly I don't really care either. I live in Europe, and I don't have the idea that 9/11 affected the place I live, political wise or economy wise.
 
Went said:


There have been a lot of hoaxes, but tthis time they managed to collect evidence. You can't really say it's a hoax when Obama, Clinton, the chief of the CIA and the secretary of Defence spent ours watching the operation via webcam during the night XD

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Death_of_Osama_bin_Laden
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Yeah, I already seen that lol. Funny, because that all was acting. It's admitted that Hilary claimed she had "allergies" and not actually in "awe". I still say don't believe all the crap Mainstream Media portrays. If you look at documents from 2002 you'd see that Bin Laden was hospitalized. I also can't believe a man on dialysis can live in mountains where the temperature rises to the high all the time and survive more than 3 years. It's total bull crap...sorry..but I need more convincing that he was "shot" (frozen in ice) that day. And the phony, Photoshopped pictures of his face all bruised isn't going to help any...
 
HackChu said:
Yeah, I already seen that lol. Funny, because that all was acting. It's admitted that Hilary claimed she had "allergies" and not actually in "awe". I still say don't believe all the crap Mainstream Media portrays. If you look at documents from 2002 you'd see that Bin Laden was hospitalized. I also can't believe a man on dialysis can live in mountains where the temperature rises to the high all the time and survive more than 3 years. It's total bull crap...sorry..but I need more convincing that he was "shot" (frozen in ice) that day. And the phony, Photoshopped pictures of his face all bruised isn't going to help any...
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https://abcnews.go.com/Health/osama-bin-laden-top-health-rumors/story?id=13518880

https://www.snopes.com/rumors/kidney.asp

He may have been in for a procedure that wasn't dialysis. And it's also possible that he wasn't ever in the mountains in the first place. I mean, why would you hide in the mountains when you're a millionaire in a poor country that fears your organization?

Al-Qaeda also acknowledged his death and made a vengeance video.
 

Do you think it is fair to say that it is a different world after 9/11 than it was before?
Undoubtedly for some, for others maybe not so much. When I lived in Saudi Arabia, you could live a somewhat free life as long as you were a Muslim and a man, but according to an old friend of mine who's a Muslim still living there, it's Hell on Earth. You can't go out without being searched, people live in constant hate of Americans and state-sponsored violence is on the up.

Are there enough security measures in place to prevent future terrorism attacks of this scale?
Sort of. In airports, yes, there are, as there are metal detectors, bomb-sniffer dogs, bag checks and borderline-paranoid security measures, which I think is a good thing. However, just last week I was coming back on the Euro tunnel and we got waved through after flashing an EU passport without so much as a bag check or metal detection.
Do you think future generations will be at an advantage or disadvantage growing up in the world like it is now?
Whilst I do believe that the youth of even today are at a disadvantage compared to several years back, I do not think it is due to 9/11- indeed, for those of us who never leave the country, I don't think there's been any change here in the UK.
 
I do believe that the world has changed, intro one that is much more islamophobic...have we not learned from our mistake with the Japanese in World War II...it's true history does repeat itself saddly enough. Luckily Al Qaeda is weaker...at least that's how it seems at the moment...As for the security measures, we have become paranoid and have lost freedoms due to this event especially when it comes to air travel.Also 9/11 did impact Europe as it dragged several countries (NATO) into the war in afghanistan.
 
Horrible event. At the time I was only in first grade so I didn't know what "terror" was and all the "muslim stuff," (sorry if I was bit rude with that) but I knew it was something terrible. I can still clearly remember the day I heard about it.
 
If it's too late to post here than I apologize. I wanted to address the issue of safety and my perspective. Because of this event, it has made me weary of alot of things.

They tell us for the longest time that traveling by air was the safest way to travel. However, 9/11 came and it pretty much debunked that theory. Because of that day, I will never go on an airplane again. I would rather drive to another state than fly. At least the hijackers can't run at 70 miles per hour and steal my vehicle. And actually, I am weary of taking any kind of public transportation. Bueses are okay but trains I'm weary of and I will never get on a boat/ship (I never wanted to get on one even BEFORE 9/11. Even before I heard of the Titanic)

The only way I would ever think about flying again is that if the airport security was tighter. That means, allowing pilots (who don't have a criminal background) to carry guns with them if they fly or pepper spray or something. Or at least, have security on board. Armed security with shields and everything. Had that happen, well the hijackers wouldn't have been able to carry out their plans. Another thing is to like have the cockpit on lockdown so that no one can break in. Also adding to my first point, the pilots should be allowed to resist.

I know it sounds extreme, but the safety precautions they are taking is not going to make flying anymore safe. The terrorists can easy study them and attack. They spent years planning that attack. So is flying safe? Absolutely not. Can it be safer? Yes is they take drastic measures. I'm pretty much not the only person who is now petrified of even stepping foot on a plane without thinking that it's going to get hijacked. Tons of others are as well. If they can take the measures they need to take maybe it can releave fear for the long run.
 
Gothitelle. said:
If it's too late to post here than I apologize. I wanted to address the issue of safety and my perspective. Because of this event, it has made me weary of alot of things.

They tell us for the longest time that traveling by air was the safest way to travel. However, 9/11 came and it pretty much debunked that theory. Because of that day, I will never go on an airplane again. I would rather drive to another state than fly. At least the hijackers can't run at 70 miles per hour and steal my vehicle. And actually, I am weary of taking any kind of public transportation. Bueses are okay but trains I'm weary of and I will never get on a boat/ship (I never wanted to get on one even BEFORE 9/11. Even before I heard of the Titanic)

The only way I would ever think about flying again is that if the airport security was tighter. That means, allowing pilots (who don't have a criminal background) to carry guns with them if they fly or pepper spray or something. Or at least, have security on board. Armed security with shields and everything. Had that happen, well the hijackers wouldn't have been able to carry out their plans. Another thing is to like have the cockpit on lockdown so that no one can break in. Also adding to my first point, the pilots should be allowed to resist.

I know it sounds extreme, but the safety precautions they are taking is not going to make flying anymore safe. The terrorists can easy study them and attack. They spent years planning that attack. So is flying safe? Absolutely not. Can it be safer? Yes is they take drastic measures. I'm pretty much not the only person who is now petrified of even stepping foot on a plane without thinking that it's going to get hijacked. Tons of others are as well. If they can take the measures they need to take maybe it can releave fear for the long run.
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You are more likely to be killed by a negligent driver. The chance of you plane being hijacked post 9/11 is VERY VERY VERY unlikely. People die everyday at the hands of everyday people.
Airport security does not need to be tighter, have you been on a plane recently?

About 200 people die in plane crashes, and 40,000 people die in car crashes every year in the U.S. There is no disputing.

This one event out of tens of millions of flights should not scare off anyone from flying. Flying is cheaper (unless carpooling), safer, quicker, and more efficient. We haven't had a high-jacking indecent since 9/11; we don't need to take drastic measures. If we continue to slow the process of air travel, then the cost and efficiency will decrease significantly.
 
Chances of dying in a motor-vehicle accident.

Motor-vehicle accidents over-all 1 in 87

Pedestrian 1 in 625
Motorcycle rider 1 in 866
Car occupant 1 in 260
Occupant of pick-up truck or van 1 in 1,000
Occupant of heavy transport vehicle 1 in 8,441
Bus occupant 1 in 64,380
Animal rider or occupant of animal-drawn vehicle 1 in 31,653
Occupant of railway train or railway vehicle 1 in 115,103
Occupant of special industrial vehicle 1 in 199,916
Occupant of special agricultural vehicle 1 in 24,665
Occupant of special construction vehicle 1 in 115,103
Occupant of all-terrain or other off-road motor vehicle 1 in 3,652
Air and space transport accidents 1 in 6,438

That's over 20 times less likely. Make of that anything you want.

By the way:

Cataclysmic storm 1 in 4,346
Exposure to excessive natural cold 1 in 5,426
Complications of medical and surgical care 1 in 1,313.
Hospital infections 1 in 38
Heart Disease 1 in 5
Cancer 1 in 7
Stroke 1 in 23
Intentional Self-harm (suicide) 1 in 121
Flu 1 in 63
Accidental poisoning 1 in 193
MRSA (resistant bacteria) 1 in 197
Dying from anthrax 1 in 500 million
Uncontrolled fire in building or structure 1 in 1,451
Odds of being struck by lightning in your lifetime (Est. 80 years) 1 in 5000
Water transport accidents 1 in 263
Accidental drowning and submersion 1 in 1,060
Drowning and submersion while in or falling into swimming-pool 1 in 6,258
Drowning and submersion while in or falling into natural water 1 in 2,370

...Air and space transport accidents 1 in 6,438

And, finally: chances of dying in a hijacked airplane: 540,000 to 1.

So yeah, take a plane, don't worry. It's safer than walking down the street.




Source: Reality Check: Odds Of Dying - https://www.squidoo.com/oddsdying
Terrorism and You -- The Real Odds.
AEI-Brookings Joint Center Policy Matters 01-31
Terrorism and You -- The Real Odds. by Michael L. Rothschild. November 2001.
The Six Most Feared but Least Likely Causes of Death
The Six Most Feared but Least Likely Causes of Death
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I was in the fifth grade at the time... And it absolutely turned my stomach. I didn't understand, I couldn't rationalize... And as lame as it might sound to some, all I can do now is really just look back and cry. It might seem weird, but I do remember seeing all the people jumping... It wasn't pleasant, it wasn't pretty... It was hard as a 10 year-old to stomach that. Now? It's a bit harder... Just because the images of the people jumping from the towers will never leave my head.

Probably off the topic a ways, but I wanted to share that... It has been on my mind.
 
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