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[Arch_2008]

After tweaking, thinking out, and testing my team, i've come up with this team:

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Gengar @ Choice scarf
Ability: Levitate
4 HP/252 SpA/252 Spe
Timid Nature
- Hypnosis
- Thunderbolt
- Focus Blast
- Shadow Ball

Gengar, nice fast lead, and with Scarf, can outrun Weavile leads, and get in a Focus Blast


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Salamence @ Life Orb
Ability: Intimidate
120 Atk/252 SpA/136 Spe
Mild nature
- Dragon Dance
- Brick Break
- Dragon Claw
- Flamethrower

Mixmence. DD for a speed and attack boost, Dragon Claw for STAB, Flamethrower for any Meta, Skarm and Fortress who think that they can wall me, and BB for the odd Bliss, also helps with Heatran.

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Starmie @ Leftovers
Ability: Natural Cure
EVs: 172 HP/216 Spd/120 SAtk
Timid nature
- Thunderbolt
- Surf
- Rapid Spin
- Recover

Rapid Spinner, Gyra Counter

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Metagross @ Choice Band
Ability: Clear Body
EVs: 252 HP/244 Atk/12 Def
Adamant nature
- Explosion
- Thunderpunch
- Meteor Mash
- Earthquake

Physical Sweeper. I didn't like Electivire, and this guy counter Cresselia so much. EQ for coverage, MM for STAB, and T-Punch for any waters types that wants to try and wall me. *coughsuicunecough*

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Blissey @ Leftovers
Ability: Natural Cure
EVs: 252 HP/252 SDef/SAtk
Calm Nature
- Seismic Toss
- Toxic
- Softboiled
- Aromatherapy

Special Wall, can wall the hell out of next to all special attackers, Stoss for some damage, Toxic in case anyone wants to stall with me, and Aromatherapy for clericing

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Gliscor @ Leftovers
Ability: Sand Veil
EVs: 252 HP/186 DEF/72 SPEED
Impish Nature
- Earthquake
- Roost
- Ice Fang
- Stealth Rock

Physical Wall, Hera Counter, and Stealth Rocker. Ice Fang helps with dragons, and 72 Speed lets me outrun Tyranitar, Magnezone and Breloom


Threat List:

still thinking

 

[Archer]

After tweaking, thinking out, and testing my team, i've come up with this team:

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Gyarados @ Choice Scarf
Ability: Intimidate
EVs: 252 Atk/236 Spd/16 HP This way, you still outrun Weavile, but there is nothing between max speed and this.
Adamant nature
- Waterfall
- Earthquake
- Ice Fang
- Stone Edge

Starter, most people supect a Tauntdos, but a Scarfdos is so cool, outruns Ape, and numourus others,also hurts with Ice Fang/Stone Edge

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Starmie @ Leftovers
Ability: Natural Cure
EVs: 172 HP/216 Spd/120 SAtk
Timid nature
- Thunderbolt
- Surf
- Rapid Spin
- Recover

Rapid Spinner, also Gyra Counter

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Electivire @ Expert Belt
Ability: Motor Drive
EVs: 6 HP/252 Atk/252 Spd
Adamant nature
- Cross Chop
- Earthquake
- Thunderpunch
- Ice Punch

Physical Sweeper, if there are any electric attacks directed at Gyra, this guy takes them, and gets a speed boost, so standard Vire Walled so badly - Consider Mix Vire if you don't want to switch and lose your speed boost.

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Gengar @ Wide Lens
Ability: Levitate
4 HP/252 SpA/252 Spe
Timid Nature
- Hypnosis
- Thunderbolt
- Focus Blast
- Shadow Ball

Gengar, standard Sp. Sweeper here Pretty Standard.

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Regice @ Leftovers
Ability: Clear Body
EVs: 252 HP/252 Def/6 SDef I don't like this. Others may beg to differ, but if Rest is all you have, you may want a few more EVs in SDef.
Calm nature
- Thunderbolt / Charge Beam
- Ice Beam
- Rest
- Psych Up / Sleep Talk*

Special Wall, Psych Up so that if any pokemon come on and set up, I can Psych Up and have those same stat changes, Rest is for Recovery

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Weezing @ Leftovers
Ability: Levitate
EVs: 252 HP/252 Def/6 Spd
Bold nature
- Pain Split
- Haze
- Flamethrower
- Thunderbolt

Physical Wall and PHazer, T-Bolt for other Gyarados, and flamethrower so i'm not weak to Hera


So that's basicaly my team, i do need a couple of things though:

Wish Support: Since Regice's only recovery move is rest, it needs some better Recovery
Cleric: Status has really hurt my team, i've lost 3 times with this team on Shoddy, and it's because of Status, so i need a Cleric

Celebi maybe? There are so few viable Clerics and if its Shoddy, Celebi is a good option.

 

[Mystery2009]

I would suggest suicune as a means of def and to fight back aginst flamethrower{even though it is a special atk move its still nice to not recieve much damage and with suicune it could allow you to set up or do what ever it is you choose to do with it} but you seem to have too many water types as it is even though you have e vire.if you were to use suicune i would say make e vire mixed instead that way you arnt walled. another comment is that i would say lead with gengar instead of gyrados.most people expect a e vire with a gyrados lead and you would just be giving away two of your pokemon if they suspect an evire if they were to use an electric attack.

 

[Arch_2008]

I would suggest suicune as a means of def and to fight back aginst flamethrower{even though it is a special atk move its still nice to not recieve much damage and with suicune it could allow you to set up or do what ever it is you choose to do with it} but you seem to have too many water types as it is even though you have e vire.if you were to use suicune i would say make e vire mixed instead that way you arnt walled. another comment is that i would say lead with gengar instead of gyrados.most people expect a e vire with a gyrados lead and you would just be giving away two of your pokemon if they suspect an evire if they were to use an electric attack.

hmm, lead with gengar? Depends, Pursuit ruins me, and there have been a ton of leaders with Pursuit
Suicune.......not a bad option, but another water type(that makes it 3, if i choose him)so electric attacks are going to be hard to hande one Vires gone
But Suicune is a good option, i'm off to run some damage calcs


Specemences Draco Meteor on Suicune with 252 HP/252 Sp. Def does around 70%, and then i can rest it off, or Ice Beam him, rest probally

Celebi maybe? There are so few viable Clerics and if its Shoddy, Celebi is a good option.

Yeah, i was thinking about Celebi, but i thought: What are the odds of getting a legit one, with the right nature and good IVS, so i went with Regice
But i still need a Cleric(and no, the fat blob isn't an option)

 

[Aquilae]

Options for a Cleric are sadly very limited to a certain pool of pokemon -

Blissey
Miltank
Celebi
Shaymin
Vileplume
Meganium

There are also some pokemon from XD that can function as a Cleric -

Lapras
Articuno
Dragonite
Ampharos
Altaria

Basically if you want a good Cleric for WiFi, go Blissey. I still don't get why people are against Blissey, it would help your team providing a more stable Special Wall, and it has Aromatherapy.

Weezing has Fighting and Bug resistance but unfortunate neutrality to other strong moves, in addition to lack of a stable recovery move. I would put a Gliscor over Weezing because of a better recovery move and same resistance to Fighting.
What I would recommend to help Gliscor is a BulkyDos, which counters Weavile and Mamoswine effectively - something that your team fears. You could still keep ScarfDos but maybe run less speed as outspeeding Weavile and Swellow is not a priority.
Either 176 Speed (Azelf, Ambipom, Starmie) or 144 (Gengar, Tauros, Espeon).

 

[Lalapizzame]

Options for a Cleric are sadly very limited to a certain pool of pokemon -

Blissey
Miltank
Celebi
Shaymin
Vileplume
Meganium

There are also some pokemon from XD that can function as a Cleric -

Lapras
Articuno
Dragonite
Ampharos
Altaria

Basically if you want a good Cleric for WiFi, go Blissey. I still don't get why people are against Blissey, it would help your team providing a more stable Special Wall, and it has Aromatherapy.

Weezing has Fighting and Bug resistance but unfortunate neutrality to other strong moves, in addition to lack of a stable recovery move. I would put a Gliscor over Weezing because of a better recovery move and same resistance to Fighting.
What I would recommend to help Gliscor is a BulkyDos, which counters Weavile and Mamoswine effectively - something that your team fears. You could still keep ScarfDos but maybe run less speed as outspeeding Weavile and Swellow is not a priority.
Either 176 Speed (Azelf, Ambipom, Starmie) or 144 (Gengar, Tauros, Espeon).

They hate it because it's hard to take down.No special attack can OHKO it and even then,your closest bet is Porygon-Z's Hyper Beam which it can shrug off with Softboiled and it Thunder Waves and does many other things.

 

[sims796]

What? If anything, that's WHY they like it. Why would he not like it because it is hard to take down? And, what moron in their right mind would waste time sp.attacking a Blissey, other than Z?

They hate USING IT because it is so common.

 

[Arch_2008]

Yeah, as Sims said, i don't like using it because it's no common, most teams have a mixed sweeper(*cough Infernape Cough*)which ruins blissey, Regice can take a hit from both the Physical and Special side of things, and i want a pokemon that does that
I gues i'm going to have to go with Celebi, since they're hard to get, not many people will have a Celebi counter, plus it's a Cleric, and has a good recovery move

And i might replace Weezing with Glicor, but Glicor's got a x4 weakness, and that hampers it's abillity to wall, any other good Physical Walls?

 

[Dark Azelf]

Well you get owned by Taunt Tyranitar, so i think Gliscor maybe better.

However, if you do this, then weavile becomes a problem, so what i suggest you do it Make Gyarados bulky and Scarf Gengar and lead with that.

Try Screech or Meditate if your running physical Vire >> Cross Chop, it lets it not get walled so miserably.

 

[Arch_2008]

Well you get owned by Taunt Tyranitar, so i think Gliscor maybe better.

How will Taunt Tyranitar hurt me? All of my pokemon have attacking moves, and Gengar should be able to OHKO it with Focus Blast

However, if you do this, then weavile becomes a problem, so what i suggest you do it Make Gyarados bulky and Scarf Gengar and lead with that.

Try Screech or Meditate if your running physical Vire >> Cross Chop, it lets it not get walled so miserably.

Well, i'm changing T-Bolt-->T-Punch, so that i don't get walled by Skarm, ect

well, weavile can be countered by Gyra, and Weezing, Gyra can Stone Edge him, while Weezing can Flamethrower him, so i have some weavile counters

 

[Dark Azelf]

well, weavile can be countered by Gyra, and Weezing, Gyra can Stone Edge him, while Weezing can Flamethrower him, so i have some weavile counters

Because after a Dragon Dance it outspeeds everything, lets see...

Tyranitar@Lfe Orb / Black Glasses /leftovers
252 ATT / 252 SPEED / 6 HP
Jolly Nature
- Taunt
- Crunch
- Earthquake
- Dragon Dance


Regice : - Taunt,DD UP, Crunch
Gengar : - Crunch
Weezing : - Taunt,DD UP, Crunch
Starmie : - Crunch
Electivire : - Earthquake
Gyarados : - Crunch is a 2hko after a dd.





You dont understand what im saying. If you replace Weezing with Gliscor you are Weavile weak. But as of now Tyranitar kills all your team.

SO i suggest making Gyarados bulky to beat up said weavile if you choose Gliscor >> Weezing, which i suggest you do.

And then Choice Scarf Gengar and lead with that.



No, i mean Hippowdon and Donphan etc wall your current e-vire set up, which Screech or Meditate will make them feel pain.

 

[Arch_2008]

Because after a Dragon Dance it outspeeds everything, lets see...

Tyranitar@Lfe Orb / Black Glasses /leftovers
252 ATT / 252 SPEED / 6 HP
Jolly Nature
- Taunt
- Crunch
- Earthquake
- Dragon Dance


Regice : - Taunt,DD UP, Crunch
Gengar : - Crunch
Weezing : - Taunt,DD UP, Crunch
Starmie : - Crunch
Electivire : - Earthquake
Gyarados : - Crunch is a 2hko after a dd.





You dont understand what im saying. If you replace Weezing with Gliscor you are Weavile weak. But as of now Tyranitar kills all your team.

SO i suggest making Gyarados bulky to beat up said weavile if you choose Gliscor >> Weezing, which i suggest you do.

And then Choice Scarf Gengar and lead with that.



No, i mean Hippowdon and Donphan etc wall your current e-vire set up, which Screech or Meditate will make them feel pain.

Oh yeah, i see, well Gliscor might be a good counter, but i like my Sarfdos, and leading with Gengar.....that would be ok, i do already have a Tauntdos, but i like Scarfdos better

Well, i'll get rid of Weezing, for a Glicor, lead with Gengar(i don't like scarfed gar, i use Hypnosis, then i have to switch)and have my Tauntdos come out later on


EDIT: ok, i've changed the team a bit, i've removes my walls, and have got other ones, i now have a Tauntdos, and are leading with Gengar, tell me what you think

 

[Dark Azelf]

Celebi doesnt make a good sp.wall, and it needs the def to survive pursuit etc.


So put Regice back IMO. Rest-Talk. That way you wont need a cleric, as regice can absorb status for you.

 

[Arch_2008]

Celebi doesnt make a good sp.wall, and it needs the def to survive pursuit etc.


So put Regice back IMO. Rest-Talk. That way you wont need a cleric, as regice can absorb status for you.

hmmm, ok, I suppose Regice is better then Celebi
But i still need a Weavile Counter, as 3 pokemon are weak to him

 

[Dark Azelf]

hmmm, ok, I suppose Regice is better then Celebi
But i still need a Weavile Counter, as 3 pokemon are weak to him

Gyarados takes hits from it VERY well, thanks to intimidate.

Gengar can revenge kill it aswell, if you scarf it.


Waterfall >> Ice Fang on Gyarados.

You can put Stone Edge >> EQ aswell if you wish.



Also put Ice Fang >> AA on Gliscor it helps with Dragons, 252 HP /186 DEF / 72 SPEED, Lets you outspeed Tyranitar, Magnezone and Breloom. SO you dont get owned by HP Ice, Ice Beam and sub-seeded.

 

[Arch_2008]

Gyarados takes hits from it VERY well, thanks to intimidate.

Gengar can revenge kill it aswell, if you scarf it.


Waterfall >> Ice Fang on Gyarados.

You can put Stone Edge >> EQ aswell if you wish.

I forgot about intimidate, and with that, it should draw the switch, allowing me to DD up

Well, if i go Waterfall >> Ice Fang, Gyra's weak to Dragons, what if i go waterfall and ice fang? Would that work?

And Weavile leads kill me, but if i run Scarf, then i can get in a Focus Blast before he can attack

 

[Dark Azelf]

I forgot about intimidate, and with that, it should draw the switch, allowing me to DD up

Well, if i go Waterfall >> Ice Fang, Gyra's weak to Dragons, what if i go waterfall and ice fang? Would that work?

I edited my previous post after you replied XD



Put Ice Fang >> AA on Gliscor it helps with Dragons, 252 HP /186 DEF / 72 SPEED, Lets you outspeed Tyranitar, Magnezone and Breloom. SO you dont get owned by HP Ice, Ice Beam and sub-seeded


If you want more coverage vs dragons, put Stone Edge >> EQ on Gyarados, Chomp gets 2hko's by waterfall anyways, so SE is better for Mence and Dragonite.



Also consider Seismic Toss on Regice >> T-Bolt or Raikou will be a problems and you have loads of electric attacks regardless, so T-Bolt wont be missed.

 

[Arch_2008]

I edited my previous post after you replied XD



Put Ice Fang >> AA on Gliscor it helps with Dragons, 252 HP /186 DEF / 72 SPEED, Lets you outspeed Tyranitar, Magnezone and Breloom. SO you dont get owned by HP Ice, Ice Beam and sub-seeded


If you want more coverage vs dragons, put Stone Edge >> EQ on Gyarados, Chomp gets 2hko's by waterfall anyways, so SE is better for Mence and Dragonite.



Also consider Seismic Toss on Regice >> T-Bolt or Raikou will be a problems and you have loads of electric attacks regardless, so T-Bolt wont be missed.

Well, i'm still thinking about the Gyra moves, Ice Fang allows me to hit Dragons, and waterfall allows STAB. and EQ and stone edge allow for coverage(i'm confused)

Toss eh? I might be able to find a Calm Regice with Seismic Toss on it, i'll try it

Hey, would Focus Blast work on Regice, it counters T-Tar, and if they do decide to DD up, or Taunt, i can OHKO them with Focus Blast
So will it work?

 

[Dark Azelf]

Well, i'm still thinking about the Gyra moves, Ice Fang allows me to hit Dragons, and waterfall allows STAB. and EQ and stone edge allow for coverage(i'm confused)

Toss eh? I might be able to find a Calm Regice with Seismic Toss on it, i'll try it

Hey, would Focus Blast work on Regice, it counters T-Tar, and if they do decide to DD up, or Taunt, i can OHKO them with Focus Blast
So will it work?

Waterfall / Stone Edge / Taunt / Dragon Dance on Gyarados has good coverage.


Nah, dont bother with Focus Blast, you have Gliscor for tar and Regive has no priorities in taking on Tar. S-Toss will be of more benefit for you as you can beat Raikou who is a problem otherwise.

 

[Archer]

Yeah, as Sims said, i don't like using it because it's no common, most teams have a mixed sweeper(*cough Infernape Cough*)which ruins blissey, Regice can take a hit from both the Physical and Special side of things, and i want a pokemon that does that

Regice is hardly going to like hits from Infernape. With Blissey's monstrous HP, it still takes physical hits reasonable. Sims hit the reason on the Head. Hence Blissey's nickname on other forums.