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Charizard

Ash's old pokemon are not coming back since he have caught a whole lot of Unova pokemon and they will be the focus in the Unova league,we don't really know for sure what will happen after this region is done with.
I agree.

Johto was never a mess and that is your stupid not so true opinion,Cyndaquil was well handled before it evolve of course it was done to promote the HGSS games ,Phanpy was also well handled before it evolve aswell.
My opinion isn't stupid, it doesn't have any less merit than yours.

Unova is nothing like Hoenn since that region wasn't a reboot at all ,Unova is a reboot and the old pokemon are not coming back,the writers don't give a damn about fanservice either,besides the fact Hoenn was never a reboot, but Unova is a true reboot with only Unova pokemon and there won't be any old pokemon even after the Unova league.
How was Hoenn not a reboot? Game Freak left Kanto and Johto to try something different, Ash left all his Pokemon with Oak besides Pikachu, only Hoenn Pokemon were used in the league, and most of the Kanto and Johto Pokemon weren't even in the games at the start of the generation. Not to mention that massive changes happened to the franchise's gameplay mechanics, such as Natures, EVs, IVs, abilities, etc.
 
Firstly I haven't seen anyone assuming they know what's going to happen in this saga. It's more speculation of what they think will happen due to what they've already seen or been exposed to as for writer plot pacing. And as for assumption making, aren't you making assumption too?

Anywhoo! Ash capturing more Pokemon could may as well be because of Paul but when you really look at it, did Paul really mention any rotation Pokemon. For all Ash knew, Paul was just using older Pokemon he had but that's a good thing to mention and something I shall ponder on. But can we stop making the assumption that Ash thinks for himself. He doesn't, the writers think for him. xD

I said this in previous posts but i'll say it again. Judging by the pace this saga is going and how the writers are handling things, I just don't see any openings for older Pokemon. It just doesn't really seem like they're going to want to rely on Ash's older Pokemon but things could change, I guess. Ash could get an epiphany and think 'hazza! i'll use my older Pokemon because they're rare in this region!" but lets face it, the writers are most likely going to build up his Pokemon in the Unova region and have him just rely on them. Notice how he's placed Pokemon in the region Professor's lab, I think it's because they purposely moved Unova far away from the other regions and it's unlikely he'll think to use them now that he's building an army. I'll predict that Ash will have 12 Pokemon by the time the saga wraps up. Perhaps he'll release one (because one is always released or traded nowadays. I feel like they'll do that to keep the team fresh, introducing a new Pokemon later in the saga, for example Gible.)

Alas, I highly doubt Charizard will return. He'll be lucky to even have a mention.

When I was using the term 'assuming', I was mostly referring to the strong opinions given by those previous posters, particularly Tough who declared that "the writers don't give a damn about fanservice either".... I didn't want to say names, because that leads to negativity. I just wanted to say my rebuttal. I , on the other hand, was making a prediction, which is totally different ;)

But enough about the confusing lexicon.

Honestly, the same arguments could have been made in previous seasons: Hoenn was a reboot of sorts, because it was the first time Ash left all of his pokemon at Oak's. One might have predicted a dozen episodes into the season that we'd never see them again, but they'd be wrong. And really, what's the difference between the two? Pikachu wasn't rare? Team Rocket was still silly? Brock was there?

I think everyone's forgetting that Ash was a goofus at the beginning of the Sinnoh region too. I yelled at the tv, "HE BEAT THE REGIS!" but he still made dumb mistakes then too. Doesn't mean it was a reboot.

From what I see, the writers can't erase Ash's history completely. They can't pretend it doesn't exist. Just because they don't acknowledge it every episode doesn't mean that (dare I say it?) assumptions can be made based on that. As for my prediction, though, I stake my reputation on it.
 
My view is that it is difficult to say right now. During Sinnoh I thought for sure that Ash would pull a Hoenn and try to win with just his new Pokemon (and Pikachu). But then they pulled out the old Pokemon and he ended up using a lot of his old Pokemon.

Right now I think Ash will decide on using only his Unova team(s) but that could very easily change as they get closer to the Unova League. I'm actually really hoping Ash (for whatever reason and however unlikely) travels back to Kanto to go up against that league again and win it. I'm not entirely sure if he would have to get all of the badges again or if he automatically is qualified or what, but I'd love to see him battle in that format again (Kanto rules ex. Sleeping is equal to fainted). If he won I could see him going up for the Kanto Champion League and vs the Elite Four. May not happen, but I sure hope it somehow does. Anyways, I could see the writers incorporating Charizard and all of his Pokemon more if that happened. But that is a little off topic...

So at this moment in time, I say Charizard will not make an appearance. Although when they get to the League I might change my mind.
 
(Kanto rules ex. Sleeping is equal to fainted). If he won I could see him going up for the Kanto Champion League and vs the Elite Four. .

Battles were pretty bogus back then come to think of it....

From what I understand, you don't get to face the Elite Four immediately after winning the championship. The region's championship is a bit like The Ultimate Fighter is to the UFC, in that the winner is automatically entered into the Master's League, where they have to battle up the ranks before they can face the Elite Four and eventually the championship. I think that's what you were trying to say, but I wanted to clarify.
 
Battles were pretty bogus back then come to think of it....

From what I understand, you don't get to face the Elite Four immediately after winning the championship. The region's championship is a bit like The Ultimate Fighter is to the UFC, in that the winner is automatically entered into the Master's League, where they have to battle up the ranks before they can face the Elite Four and eventually the championship. I think that's what you were trying to say, but I wanted to clarify.
I'm really curious about how people would react to that.

Long-time Viewer: "Hooray, Ash finally won a league! Now he can go face the Eli- ...Wait, he needs to go through another tournament?"

Ash: *Is destroyed in the first round*

Long-time Viewer: O_O
 

I'm really curious about how people would react to that.

Long-time Viewer: "Hooray, Ash finally won a league! Now he can go face the Eli- ...Wait, he needs to go through another tournament?"

Ash: *Is destroyed in the first round*

Long-time Viewer: O_O

It wouldn't be so much of a tournament that he would get sent home after the first loss, but more of a fluid league that he could move up or down and always have a fresh supply of new challengers who were as good as or better than the last. If he lost a battle or two along the way, he could train a bit and re-challenge that trainer again later, but he would never get kicked out per say. It's kind of like when Flint decided to Challenge Cynthia for the championship. He could do it in his own time at any point rather than in another tournament. The same would go for Ash, only he'd be much farther down in the ranks.

I'd see it more like each trainer he faced would be the equivalent to a gym leader currently. He'd spend some time training and going on adventures until he was ready, then he'd make the challenge.

I guess the only downside would be if he reached the Champion and beat her/him. Then what? World Championships?
 
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I agree.


My opinion isn't stupid, it doesn't have any less merit than yours.


How was Hoenn not a reboot? Game Freak left Kanto and Johto to try something different, Ash left all his Pokemon with Oak besides Pikachu, only Hoenn Pokemon were used in the league, and most of the Kanto and Johto Pokemon weren't even in the games at the start of the generation. Not to mention that massive changes happened to the franchise's gameplay mechanics, such as Natures, EVs, IVs, abilities, etc.
Hoenn was a reset of the games not a reboot since there were still old Kanto and Johto pokemon in the games as well as the anime.

Also there is no way that the old pokemon is coming back,they will most likely if anything be forgotten,since they have a whole lot of new pokemon now in the 5 gen.
 
When I was using the term 'assuming', I was mostly referring to the strong opinions given by those previous posters, particularly Tough who declared that "the writers don't give a damn about fanservice either".... I didn't want to say names, because that leads to negativity. I just wanted to say my rebuttal. I , on the other hand, was making a prediction, which is totally different ;)

But enough about the confusing lexicon.

Honestly, the same arguments could have been made in previous seasons: Hoenn was a reboot of sorts, because it was the first time Ash left all of his pokemon at Oak's. One might have predicted a dozen episodes into the season that we'd never see them again, but they'd be wrong. And really, what's the difference between the two? Pikachu wasn't rare? Team Rocket was still silly? Brock was there?

I think everyone's forgetting that Ash was a goofus at the beginning of the Sinnoh region too. I yelled at the tv, "HE BEAT THE REGIS!" but he still made dumb mistakes then too. Doesn't mean it was a reboot.

From what I see, the writers can't erase Ash's history completely. They can't pretend it doesn't exist. Just because they don't acknowledge it every episode doesn't mean that (dare I say it?) assumptions can be made based on that. As for my prediction, though, I stake my reputation on it.

It's fair to make assumption based on what you already know but I tend to stay on the safe said and make speculations because all of us cannot be right. For all I know, I am way off and that the writers are planning a big reunion with Pidgeot and Charizard and all is blessed in the world but my rational side is thinking "Hey, wait. I see what you're doing there. Maybe they're going to rely on region Pokemon this time?" And as for being wrong, these things happen. It's not the end of the world. People won't start gossiping "omg, that's the dummy who thought that was going to happen." haha, at least I don't think this happens XD

You see, I dislike that word. 'Reboot'. It's not my favourite word to describe when Ash goes to another region without his Pokemon. I just call it a new chapter in his journey. The courses of his path changed and in Hoenn, they decided to go completely new and that for me is just a change but anywhoo, enough of that. But you are right, there could be a way for past Pokemon to make a comeback. I honestly had no idea that previous Pokemon were going to be in the Sinnoh region (even if it was to promote heartgold and soulsilver) but I loved their appearances, it made me feel connected to the anime, going back to basics.

But also, the reason for my speculations is that this saga has done something that hasn't been done (as far as I know. correct me if i'm wrong.) and that's the pace. The pace of the series has jumped and it's just different and I like the new pace of it. But from where i'm sitting, I just see the writers building Ash's Pokemon team and having him use that rotational 9. If they want to distribute screentime with each Pokemon equally then I don't see how they can maneuver previous Pokemon into it. I mean, the only Pokemon I can see making a comeback is Gible and that's because of how little he had to develop. Who knows? They may pull an Aipom and bring him back somehow. (Perhaps that's Brock returns to the new saga? Bringing Gible to him? xD Here's hoping.)

That's always bugged me. How the writers give Ash/Pikachu a power degrade and make them seem so inexperienced when for a 10 year old, he's very experienced. I just hope they implement his previous learning to his new Pokemon. Remember that epic dodge he learnt from Dawn. I would love for Pikachu to be seen doing it again. I miss it.

I feel like we're straying from the topic at hand and that's Charizard's appearance in the Unova region. In my opinion, no. I can't see him returning.

Hoenn was a reset of the games not a reboot since there were still old Kanto and Johto pokemon in the games as well as the anime.

Also there is no way that the old pokemon is coming back,they will most likely if anything be forgotten,since they have a whole lot of new pokemon now in the 5 gen.

Hoenn was a continuation of very successful series/games. xD

I don't think you can say that since neither of us have no way of knowing such things. It's fair to say that you should say 'you highly doubt based on current evidence' but saying 'there is no way' is a bit silly since I could've honestly said that I would've never seen the past Pokemon returning to Sinnoh but they did. Just make sure to word it properly or back it up with some evidence.

Also, you should call other people's opinions 'stupid'. It's really not cool and it just causes arguments.


I HAVE A QUESTION FOR ALL.

Q: DO YOU THINK CHARIZARD SHOULD APPEAR IN THIS REGION? IF SO, WHY?

OR

Q: DO YOU THINK CHARIZARD SHOULD RETURN IF ASH DECIDES TO BATTLE THE JOHTO FRONTIER BRAINS? OR IF HE MANAGES TO WIN THE UNOVA REGION, SHOULD HE RETURN FOR THE FINAL BATTLE?
 
Hoenn was a reset of the games not a reboot since there were still old Kanto and Johto pokemon in the games as well as the anime.

Also there is no way that the old pokemon is coming back,they will most likely if anything be forgotten,since they have a whole lot of new pokemon now in the 5 gen.

I totally forgot about them, but I can prove that they're still linking to the old episodes:

SPOILERS (I guess...)
Here.
And here too.

If you didn't check those links to keep from getting any spoilers, they're episode guides to episodes that contain old characters. This season can't be the true reboot you're talking about, because they've already brought back some old pokemon from last season.

I HAVE A QUESTION FOR ALL.

Q: DO YOU THINK CHARIZARD SHOULD APPEAR IN THIS REGION? IF SO, WHY?

OR

Q: DO YOU THINK CHARIZARD SHOULD RETURN IF ASH DECIDES TO BATTLE THE JOHTO FRONTIER BRAINS? OR IF HE MANAGES TO WIN THE UNOVA REGION, SHOULD HE RETURN FOR THE FINAL BATTLE?

I think everyone who has watched the first series would say yes to both of these questions. Charizard is a big part of Ash's story and a fan favorite. My personal opinion to the first is 'Yes, but with exceptions', meaning I don't want Ash to give Charla a call any time he has trouble with a gym leader. A special appearance in the championships, though, would be fun.

As for the second question, the thought of another Battle Frontier season makes me drool. And just like last time he went to the BF, he should include pokemon on his team that never got a chance to develop as characters (Phanpy then, Gible now) and maybe catch a new pokemon he had never caught before (Aipom then, ??? now). Charizard shouldn't be a part of *that* team, but since the Charicific Valley is in the Johto region, obviously Ash should go and visit and maybe use him in a battle or two.

And as for the 'final battle' that you mentioned, it doesn't really fit in my perception of what would happen after winning the championships, so I can't comment on that.
 
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I totally forgot about them, but I can prove that they're still linking to the old episodes:

SPOILERS (I guess...)
Here.
And here too.

If you didn't check those links to keep from getting any spoilers, they're episode guides to episodes that contain old characters. This season can't be the true reboot you're talking about, because they've already brought back some old pokemon from last season.

Those are considered "Special Episodes" and were really only used to complete those two character's stories. IMO those aren't really valid examples of that.
 
If we follow that logic that means Unova's not a reboot, because the games have tons of older Pokemon in them. We also see Pikachu, Meowth, and Umbreon in the anime.
Unova is pretty much a reboot since there isn't any old pokemon,but that isn't until the game is done that there will be old pokemon but not a whole lot and they can always skip showing the old pokemon anyways in the anime. Pikachu,Meowth here don't mean anything since they are main characters after all and Umbreon only appear in Ash's pokedex not in the Unova series.

We can't really tell what will happen after Unova region is over.
 
Those are considered "Special Episodes" and were really only used to complete those two character's stories. IMO those aren't really valid examples of that.

The point I was making was that the argument of a reboot (defined as the writers having completely cut all ties to the previous seasons) is wrong in that the writers did make references to the previous seasons.

I agree that these special episodes have no impact on the main story, but the fact remains that the writers had no obligation to include them at all. A fresh reboot means a fresh audience, and you can't just go off and confuse that audience by airing full episodes about characters they've never met.

Do the episodes prove that Ash will call Charla to bring Charizard to the Unova region? Absolutely not, but I am not convinced in the slightest that we've seen the last of Ash's old friends, and to me these episodes just make it harder to convince me otherwise.

We can't really tell what will happen after Unova region is over.

This is the most true statement I think anyone will ever say on the matter.
 
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Unova is pretty much a reboot since there isn't any old pokemon,but that isn't until the game is done that there will be old pokemon but not a whole lot and they can always skip showing the old pokemon anyways in the anime. Pikachu,Meowth here don't mean anything since they are main characters after all and Umbreon only appear in Ash's pokedex not in the Unova series.

We can't really tell what will happen after Unova region is over.

I would still classify Hoenn as a reboot though. It's actually more of a reboot than Unova, since it isn't even compatible with the previous games.
 


I would still classify Hoenn as a reboot though. It's actually more of a reboot than Unova, since it isn't even compatible with the previous games.
Unova is more of a reboot then Hoenn.Hoenn isn't a reboot because it stilll had old pokemon from the Kanto and Johto regions,despite Hoenn being incompatible with the old Kanto and Johto regions games,Hoenn still have Kanto and Johto pokemon in it and no Hoenn don't count as a reboot.
 
Unova is more of a reboot then Hoenn.Hoenn isn't a reboot because it stilll had old pokemon from the Kanto and Johto regions,despite Hoenn being incompatible with the old Kanto and Johto regions games,Hoenn still have Kanto and Johto pokemon in it and no Hoenn don't count as a reboot.
The only reason Unova doesn't have Pokémon from the other regions is because it's far away from the other regions. (The idea taken from the games)

Hoenn pretty much was a reboot, he even only took Pikachu. The idea of only Hoenn pokémon wouldn't go well with the games, including gym leaders with Kanto and Johto pokémon.
 

The only reason Unova doesn't have Pokémon from the other regions is because it's far away from the other regions. (The idea taken from the games)

Hoenn pretty much was a reboot, he even only took Pikachu. The idea of only Hoenn pokémon wouldn't go well with the games, including gym leaders with Kanto and Johto pokémon.
Hoenn was never a reboot it was a resetting of the 3 gen video games,the only reason Ash took just Pikachu to Hoenn with him was due to Ash wanting to feel like a begining trainer all over again,besides the fact Hoenn is not a reboot since it have old Kanto and Johto pokemon from these regions which are native to Hoenn.

Unova is pretty much a reboot due to only getting new pokemon,even after Unova is done there still won't be a whole lot of old pokemon to see and Unova being far away have nothing to do with it.
 
Hoenn was never a reboot it was a resetting of the 3 gen video games,the only reason Ash took just Pikachu to Hoenn with him was due to Ash wanting to feel like a begining trainer all over again,besides the fact Hoenn is not a reboot since it have old Kanto and Johto pokemon from these regions which are native to Hoenn.

Unova is pretty much a reboot due to only getting new pokemon,even after Unova is done there still won't be a whole lot of old pokemon to see and Unova being far away have nothing to do with it.
That's a matter of a opinion really, it isn't like the writers have announced they've rebooted the series. In all honesty, the only way I could actually see the series being rebooted would be to have Ash start his journey again, like getting his first Pokémon etc... Or maybe even a spin-off.

It has everything to do with Unova being far away, that's why the previous generation Pokémon are considered rare. The reason the games didn't have any Pokémon from previous generations was because the region was partly based on New york and areas of america, and the others were based on places in Japan. The Pokémon from the previous regions would be considered very rare to the Unova region, just look at how they react to Pikachu and Umbreon (meowth).

Let's just take another look into your theory shall we?
Unova is pretty much a reboot due to only getting new pokemon
Well, if your talking about the region in general, I can agree with you to some extent, but not to that quote, the reason the B/W games are considered to be reboots are primarily to do with the region being far off and a few other reasons I'm not going to ramble on about, the no previous gen Pokémon appearing is just a secondary factor, it happens because the region is far off, making gen 1-4 pokémon rare, take the real world for an example, it's not like your gonna find a wild lion in the US.

But since this is the anime section, I'm going to assume your talking about the anime being rebooted. Which my answer would just be no. The reason there is no gen 1-4 Pokémon is because the writers are using some of the games features, mainly to promote the game so people will buy it. I think I've changed my mind of Hoenn being like a reboot though, neither do I think Unova really is either. Like I said, they would have to make Ash forget everything and start all over again before I belived that. Take Spider-man for example, that movie series is being rebooted completely, starting all over again, different cast, etc...

I'm gonna stop right there though, since this isn't really anything to do with Charizard.

I do actually hope Charizard gets a movie cameo though.
 
I'd love to see Charizard come back this season. It came back at the end of the Hoenn Battle Frontier when it battled Articuno, so why not? Besides, Charizard is still Ash's Pokemon and it hasn't *officially* left his party just yet.
 

That's a matter of a opinion really, it isn't like the writers have announced they've rebooted the series. In all honesty, the only way I could actually see the series being rebooted would be to have Ash start his journey again, like getting his first Pokémon etc... Or maybe even a spin-off.

It has everything to do with Unova being far away, that's why the previous generation Pokémon are considered rare. The reason the games didn't have any Pokémon from previous generations was because the region was partly based on New york and areas of america, and the others were based on places in Japan. The Pokémon from the previous regions would be considered very rare to the Unova region, just look at how they react to Pikachu and Umbreon (meowth).

Let's just take another look into your theory shall we?
Well, if your talking about the region in general, I can agree with you to some extent, but not to that quote, the reason the B/W games are considered to be reboots are primarily to do with the region being far off and a few other reasons I'm not going to ramble on about, the no previous gen Pokémon appearing is just a secondary factor, it happens because the region is far off, making gen 1-4 pokémon rare, take the real world for an example, it's not like your gonna find a wild lion in the US.

But since this is the anime section, I'm going to assume your talking about the anime being rebooted. Which my answer would just be no. The reason there is no gen 1-4 Pokémon is because the writers are using some of the games features, mainly to promote the game so people will buy it. I think I've changed my mind of Hoenn being like a reboot though, neither do I think Unova really is either. Like I said, they would have to make Ash forget everything and start all over again before I belived that. Take Spider-man for example, that movie series is being rebooted completely, starting all over again, different cast, etc...

I'm gonna stop right there though, since this isn't really anything to do with Charizard.

I do actually hope Charizard gets a movie cameo though.
The writers don't have to state that they rebooted the series,You can see Unova series is pretty much of a reboot and they won't bring back Charizard anyways.

I really do miss Charizard but i highly doubt they will bring him back now that the show have been rebooted with only Unova pokemon,we can't say what will happen after the Best Wishes series is over with,we will have to wait and see.
 
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