Competitive Team Questions (and Incomplete Team Help)

jw, when building a team around kingler, should i put together a more defensive team or maybe a more offensive team or strive for a balanced team
 
WolfMirage said:
jw, when building a team around kingler, should i put together a more defensive team or maybe a more offensive team or strive for a balanced team
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Kingler is an offensive 'mon naturally, so it can fit on hyper offense (with Dual Screen support) or balanced teams.
 
jw, acording to smogon kingdra only real useful in rain team, do u think it can used succefully outside of rain team, i mean it very well balance and dose not have a wide move pool and only one weakness to boot, i was thinking what if it had subitute and return and u used that that to pass the subitute along to another poke, now i know jotlten is faster for doing this, but on the flip side jotlten is more frail then kingdra
 
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WolfMirage said:
jw, acording to smogon kingdra only real useful in rain team, do u think it can used succefully outside of rain team, i mean it very well balance and dose not have a wide move pool and only one weakness to boot, i was thinking what if it had subitute and return and u used that that to pass the subitute along to another poke, now i know jotlten is faster for doing this, but on the flip side jotlten is more frail then kingdra
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It's useful in manual rain teams. Because Swift Swim + Drizzle is banned in OU, Kingdra also is useful for checking opposing rain teams on a weatherless team, since it takes advantage of the opposing Politoed's Drizzle.

Kingdra also has absolutely no use for Return, since its Water and Dragon STAB moves have good enough neutral coverage already. It also can't learn Baton Pass.
 
i was wondering what if it is on a weatherless team and not being used to checked rain team, can it still be a good poke, or is it useless

smogon dose give an optin of Substitute + Dragon Dance and it says u can use either Swift Swim or sniper

what i use its sniper ability with Focus Energy to raise its chance of getting crital hits and do u think it would be wise to mix kingdra which is the uu teir with pokes form ou teirs
 
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WolfMirage said:
i was wondering what if it is on a weatherless team and not being used to checked rain team, can it still be a good poke, or is it useless

smogon dose give an optin of Substitute + Dragon Dance and it says u can use either Swift Swim or sniper

what i use its sniper ability with Focus Energy to raise its chance of getting crital hits and do u think it would be wise to mix kingdra which is the uu teir with pokes form ou teirs
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Kingdra is still a good Pokémon in its own right.

Sniper is still useful, but Focus Energy is never a good option competitively, as not only is it a waste of a moveslot (which could be easily taken up by Waterfall, Substitute or Outrage), but relying on critical hits is an unwise strategy.

OU Pokémon can't be used in UU tiers and below.
 
what i good baton pass user to use with gyarados and evolite magneton, cause my plan was to use the baton pass to pass a subitite along and maybe a quick boost to, u know like dragon dance or swords dance
 
WolfMirage said:
what i good baton pass user to use with gyarados and evolite magneton, cause my plan was to use the baton pass to pass a subitite along and maybe a quick boost to, u know like dragon dance or swords dance
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Gyarados can just simply boost its own Attack and Speed with Dragon Dance, so BP'ing it Attack and Speed boosts is unnecessary. Unless you need the extra Speed and bulk, Magnezone is still the better option over Magneton. Venomoth or Smeargle can Baton Pass Magneton/Magnezone Special Attack and Speed boosts:

Venomoth:
-Sleep Powder
-Quiver Dance
-Baton Pass
-Bug Buzz
Nature: Timid
EVs: 248 HP/8 SAtk/252 Spe
Item: Black Sludge
Ability: Tinted Lens

Smeargle:
-Spore
-Shell Smash
-Baton Pass
-Taunt/Ingrain
Nature: Timid
EVs: 80 Atk/96 Def/80 SDef/252 Spe
Item: Focus Sash
Ability: Own Tempo
 
oh i thought the extra bulk and speed would come in handy

so far heres my thought for my team build, please help with any thought.

Gyarados, Venomoth, Magneton, starmie, skarmory(for spikes), arcanine
 
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the only reason that im not posting a rmt thread is cause i have not yet began breeding for these poke and i not decide nature or evs yet.

1)Gyarados
abilitly: moxie
~ Substitute / Taunt
~ Dragon Dance
~ Waterfall
~ Bounce

2)Magneton
abilitly: Magnet Pull
~ Substitute
~ Thunderbolt
~ Hidden Power Fire / Hidden Power Fighting
~ Volt Switch / Charge Beam

3)venomoth
abilitly: Tinted Lens
~ Baton Pass
~ Quiver Dance
~ Sleep Powder
~ Bug Buzz

4)Arcanine
abiltly: Intimidate
~ Flare Blitz
~ ExtremeSpeed
~ Wild Charge / Crunch
~ Close Combat / Morning Sun

5)skarmory
abilitly: Sturdy
~ Stealth Rock
~ Spikes
~ Brave Bird
~ Taunt

6)Starmie
ability: natural cure
~ Rapid Spin
~ Scald
~ Psyshock / Ice Beam / Thunderbolt
~ Recover
 
WolfMirage said:
the only reason that im not posting a rmt thread is cause i have not yet began breeding for these poke and i not decide nature or evs yet.

1)Gyarados
abilitly: moxie
~ Substitute / Taunt
~ Dragon Dance
~ Waterfall
~ Bounce

2)Magneton
abilitly: Magnet Pull
~ Substitute
~ Thunderbolt
~ Hidden Power Fire / Hidden Power Fighting
~ Volt Switch / Charge Beam

3)venomoth
abilitly: Tinted Lens
~ Baton Pass
~ Quiver Dance
~ Sleep Powder
~ Bug Buzz

4)Arcanine
abiltly: Intimidate
~ Flare Blitz
~ ExtremeSpeed
~ Wild Charge / Crunch
~ Close Combat / Morning Sun

5)skarmory
abilitly: Sturdy
~ Stealth Rock
~ Spikes
~ Brave Bird
~ Taunt

6)Starmie
ability: natural cure
~ Rapid Spin
~ Scald
~ Psyshock / Ice Beam / Thunderbolt
~ Recover
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Natures and EVs are easy to determine based on the set:
Since Gyarados is using the bulky Dragon Dance set, it should use a Jolly nature with 88 HP/248 Atk/4 Def/168 Spe. Item should be Leftovers.

Magneton can use a SubCharge set:
-Substitute
-Charge Beam
-Thunderbolt
-Flash Cannon/Hidden Power (Fire)
Nature: Timid
EVs: 4 HP/252 SAtk/252 Spe
Item: Eviolite
Ability: Magnet Pull

See one of my previous posts about Venomoth.

Arcanine is outclassed in OU. Its Attack and movepool are decent, but its Speed still falls short. Infernape should be used here:
-Flare Blitz
-Close Combat
-U-turn
-ThunderPunch/Mach Punch
Nature: Jolly
EVs: 4 HP/252 Atk/252 Spe
Item: Choice Band

or
-Overheat/Fire Blast
-Close Combat
-ThunderPunch/Stone Edge
-Hidden Power (Ice)/U-turn/Mach Punch/Grass Knot
Nature: Naive/Hasty
EVs: 180 Atk/76 SAtk/252 Spe
Item: Life Orb/Expert Belt

or
-Fake Out
-Stealth Rock
-Overheat
-Close Combat
Nature: Naive/Hasty
EVs: 252 Atk/4 SAtk/252 Spe
Item: Focus Sash

or
-Fire Blast/Flare Blitz
-Close Combat
-U-turn
-Hidden Power (Ice)/Stone Edge
Nature: Naive/Hasty
EVs: 36 Atk/220 SAtk/252 Spe
Item: Choice Scarf

Skarmory should use a Careful or Impish nature with 224 HP/252 Def/32 Spe.

Looks like Starmie is using bulky Rapid Spin, so the EV spread should be 248 HP/36 Def/224 Spe. Item should be Leftovers.
 
so do u think ill have any troulb covering any bases/elements in battles
 
What should my set up be for my infernape , I usually tank everything with my starter but I am looking for a good team and not just destroy with one pokemon. I am new to platinum and would like some input on what a good team would be.
 
I have two Murkrows that Im using a Careful Perish Trap. Which one would be better for this. I know it requires high IV for HP Def and Sp Def but these two only have good def.

First one all in IVs

#1
Hp 17
Def 31
SpD 23

#2
Hp 29
Def 29
Sp Def 11

I didnt include Atk and Sp Atk because they are irrelevant to this Perish trap and both Spd Ivs are 31.
 
I'm just wondering if this would be a good Emboar set, trying to do something different. Rollout would be doubled by the Defense Curl while both Work Up and Flame Charge are used to boost Spe. and Att. with a balanced build looking for power in a Rollout and multiturn use by staying alive with Leftovers.

Emboar/Adamant/Blaze/Leftovers

Defense Curl, Rollout, Work Up, Flame Charge
 
ProfGrove said:
I'm just wondering if this would be a good Emboar set, trying to do something different. Rollout would be doubled by the Defense Curl while both Work Up and Flame Charge are used to boost Spe. and Att. with a balanced build looking for power in a Rollout and multiturn use by staying alive with Leftovers.

Emboar/Adamant/Blaze/Leftovers

Defense Curl, Rollout, Work Up, Flame Charge
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Defense Curl/Rollout isn't a good strategy because it takes time to set up, and the time that Emboar spends on the field is better off done by spamming Flare Blitz or a coverage move. Rollout also forces Emboar to stay on the field until it misses, making it prone to being revenge killed, and its low Speed doesn't help the issue. This set is ideal on what Emboar does best: hitting hard with base 123 Attack:
-Flare Blitz
-Superpower
-Wild Charge
-Sleep Talk
Nature: Jolly/Adamant
EVs: 252 Atk/4 SDef/252 Spe (Jolly) or 236 HP/252 Atk/20 Spe (Adamant)
Item: Choice Scarf (Jolly)/Choice Band (Adamant)
 
i read an interesting ideal on smogon, well 2 sum it fast
use lvl 1 aaron with sturdy ability and item shell bell and move endeavor, the plan is 2 let aaron get hit, have its strudy ability kick in and leave it with 1 hp and then use endeavor and let shell bell hell it up.

jw will this really work

i read an interesting ideal on smogon, well 2 sum it fast
use lvl 1 aaron with sturdy ability and item shell bell and move endeavor, the plan is 2 let aaron get hit, have its strudy ability kick in and leave it with 1 hp and then use endeavor and let shell bell hell it up.

jw will this really work
 
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WolfMirage said:
i read an interesting ideal on smogon, well 2 sum it fast
use lvl 1 aaron with sturdy ability and item shell bell and move endeavor, the plan is 2 let aaron get hit, have its strudy ability kick in and leave it with 1 hp and then use endeavor and let shell bell hell it up.

jw will this really work

i read an interesting ideal on smogon, well 2 sum it fast
use lvl 1 aaron with sturdy ability and item shell bell and move endeavor, the plan is 2 let aaron get hit, have its strudy ability kick in and leave it with 1 hp and then use endeavor and let shell bell hell it up.

jw will this really work
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Some people have used FEAR Aron to some degree of success, though it does require a bit of team support to work. Tyranitar/Hippowdon must be on the team to let the sandstorm chip away the last bit of the opponent's health, provided it isn't Rock/Ground/Steel. Entry hazards must be off the field, since they ruin Sturdy, so Rapid Spin/Magic Bounce support is absolutely mandatory:
-Endeavor
-Protect
-Toxic
-Hidden Power (Rock)
Nature: Timid
EVs: 252 SAtk/252 Spe
Item: Shell Bell
Ability: Sturdy
 
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