Continuation to the old team. Modifications.

[Outlawed]

The only place I can see a slot for Toxic, is that funny second SR on Donphan. No one has said anything about Aerodactyl and it seems that he is one of the best leads.
Cleric Blissey I also need some feedback on the actual ev spread.Milotic is out because I figured Blissey + Dusknoir > Blissey + Milotic they complete each other easier and make predictions easier to make.

 

[Anti]

Bliss always wants something to absorb stuff like SpecesLuke's Aura sphere and dusknoir does that best. Blissey and Noir are very strong together and wall most special attackers.

 

[Outlawed]

Great. I was also told to take out Weavile by a friend for a stronger bulkier sweeper. I think they were talking about Tyranitar.
After looking at the team. a tank would play really well in place of weavile. Maybe Marchstomp here not sure.

 

[Outlawed]

I need a lead to go with this and please someone suggest something. I was thinking taunt Gyara or SR Swampert

 

[Anti]

Um both or your sweepers have a terribly rough time switching in. Any Bulky Water with Toxic totally ruins you. I'm thinking about Milotic especially. It laughs at Donphan and smashes Dusknoir with Toxic and repeated STAB Surfs and then runs Resttalk to Toxistall Blissey and force it out. In the meantime Weavile cannot take really take out Milotic efficiently and Infernape can only shoot Grass Knot at it and then get Koed by Surf.

What I'm saying is that you have trouble with any wall you can't switch your sweepers into, which is a quite a few. Resttalk Zapdos can be very helpful for some stallijng of its own and smashing bulky Waters.

 

[Outlawed]

I want to stay away from legends because it's hard to get one with the right nature and stuff. anyother suggestions??
T-Tar will propably be murdered, what about a Metagross?

 

[Anti]

Only another pokemon that can't switch on something with Quakeslide (lots of things have that :0)

Also not crazy about sub blissey. You're only going to be outstalled.

 

[Outlawed]

True, I will change that now.
I thought about Metagross with Thunder Punch. He should be able to take out the bulky waters and his steel makes him immune to toxic no?
Maybe I should knock off that Weavile and throw in Metagross, but then I will be faced by a major scarfchomping issue.

 

[Anti]

You have a Scarfchomping issue because you have no ground immunity which is going to hurt you a lot :/

Also Metagross' STAB move is resisted by Bulky waters and thunderpunch is nice and handy, but repeated switches into STAB Surfs are not welcome at all and it can't heal off any damage thanks to CB (and without a CB don't expect to beat waters like suicune and Milotic) and it also doesn't help that one of the most common bulky waters in Swampert laughs at Metagross.

Metagross also can't switch into the whole Quakeslide mess that really hurts your team.

This team just screams Zapdos. You probably need a water of your own that can contend with physical attackers (which is what bulky waters are for) so Suicune or Milotic, perhaps even Vaporeon would be helpful.

Then again I'm in a pretty rocky mood after the guy on American Idol destroyed one of my favorite songs :/

Really though, you just get smashed by waters and certain physical sweepers. Gyarados is not stopped at all, nor is Weavile.

 

[Outlawed]

So, problems facing me now is I need a bulky water myself, and I also need something to take care of Quakslides ..
I really like Swampert for he takes care of all these weaknesses, however, I need a Tanking Physical attacker that can come in and do things it is suposed to. I was also thinking about Empoleon with HP Electric and Ice Beam in place of Weavile and making infernape physical. I still wont have a weavile counter though that is why I think it would be nice to play a Gyarados.

 

[Dark Azelf]

Allright, fixing up from the last thread that was great ^_^
I added some stuff here and need more of your wonderful feedback ^_^


Lead:

Weavile @ Choice Band
Jolly
252 Atk/ 216 spd/ 40 Hp
Brick Break
Pursuit
ice Punch / ice Shrd
Night Slash

216 speed outspeeds ZAM, Duggy and Sceptile. 40 HP evs allow you to directly switch in on an unboosted Azelfs Flamethrower. Needs Pursuit, or Gengar, Azelf, Alakazam etc will just switch out freely and come back and sweep you. Choose between punch and Shard, I honestly prefer Ice Shard, OHKO'S Garchomp, especially Scarf Chomp who rapes this team. But you have that on Donphan, so meh.

Infernape @ Life Orb
Naive
252 Sp.atk/ 232 Spd/ 24 atk
-Nasty Plot
-Flamethrower
-Grass Knot
-Close Combat

Good

Donphan @ Leftovers
Impish
252 Hp/ 224 Def/ 32 Att
-Ice Shard
-Earthquake
-Rapid Spin
-Stealth Rock / knock off /Rest


lol scary face. Rest can be abused with Aromatherapy.

Blissey @ Leftovers
Bold
148 HP / 252 DEF/ 104 SP.ATT / 4 SP.DEF (With ice Beam) or

252 hp / 252 def / 6 sp.def (without Ice Beam)

or 252 DEF / 212 SP.DEF / 40 HP or sp.att.@Calm Nature

Thunderwave / Ice Beam
Aromatheropy
Seismic Toss
Softboiled

Firstly evs = fail, Blissey needs MAX def ALWAYS. Sub= lol, how is that gonna help ? You want to slow down threats with t-wave or ice beam so you dont get completely raped by gengar and Garchomp also salamence, and bulky ground types.

Dusknoir @ Leftovers
Careful
EVs: 252 HP, 84 Def, 174 Sp Def
-Pain Split
-Will o Wisp
-Thunderpunch
-Fire Punch


Thunderpunch >> Shadow Sneak IMO, you get annihilated by Taunt Gyarados.

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Changes are in bold.


Very Mixape weak.





You want another poke btw. Something that can DD and late game sweep and beats Mixape well, im thinking Dragonite, Slamence, Gyarados ?

 

[Outlawed]

I've made the edits, just gotta fix the Blissey, I need Aromatheropy on it though. So please check the set and get back to me.

 

[Dark Azelf]

I've made the edits, just gotta fix the Blissey, I need Aromatheropy on it though. So please check the set and get back to me.

Yep, looks ok.

Mixpert is better than fully physical

Swampert@leftovers
240 HP / 212 DEF / 56 SP.ATT
Relaxed Nature
- Hydro pump
- Roar / Stealth Rock
- Ice Beam
- Earthquake

Avalanche doesnt guarantee a ohko if your not hit, Ice Beam does. Hydro pump outdamages waterfallon Hippowdon etc and is capable of 2hkoing Skarmory, Forretress and weezing.

I dont understand why youve added 2 bulky ground types, Swampy and donphans jobs are too closely related, remove one and add a Mixape counter (Salamence, Starmie, Tentacruel, Dragonite, Gyarados, Vaporeon etc), you also require a weavile counter. (Forrtress, Skarmory, Metagross, Scizor, gyarados, etc). While swampert can counter Choice Band weavile, bear in mind it gets 2hko'd by a swords danced life orbs Ice Punch/Night Slash.

 

[Outlawed]

I'm not really worried about Weavile here. I can take it easy with Swampert and even Luke, vacuum wave.
Gyarados seems meh with the presence of Swampert and Donphan. Donphan I use as my dragon killer. I have figured a new EV spread that garuantee's a 2HKO on any dragon with Ice Shard.
Donphan takes care of dragons with aid from Luke.
Swampert Leads off taking care of other leads that could be trouble. the swampert set you mentioned does nothing to Gyara, and I will be more than happy to 2HKO a slower Hippowdon with waterfall THEN avalanche if I'm hit. Avalanhce hits better when I'm hit and I think since swampert runs slow, Avalanche becomes an advantage even with the lefties usage. does that make sense or did I fail at resoning yet again lol

 

[Dark Azelf]

I'm not really worried about Weavile here. I can take it easy with Swampert and even Luke, vacuum wave.
Gyarados seems meh with the presence of Swampert and Donphan. Donphan I use as my dragon killer. I have figured a new EV spread that garuantee's a 2HKO on any dragon with Ice Shard.
Donphan takes care of dragons with aid from Luke.
Swampert Leads off taking care of other leads that could be trouble. the swampert set you mentioned does nothing to Gyara, and I will be more than happy to 2HKO a slower Hippowdon with waterfall THEN avalanche if I'm hit. Avalanhce hits better when I'm hit and I think since swampert runs slow, Avalanche becomes an advantage even with the lefties usage. does that make sense or did I fail at resoning yet again lol

Thing is, if your not hit Avalance does ass, and Waterfall does ass to hippow.


Ice Beam >> Avalanche. hydro pump >> Waterfall.

Keep stone edge if you fear Gyara that much.

 

[sims796]

I'm not really worried about Weavile here. I can take it easy with Swampert and even Luke, vacuum wave.
Gyarados seems meh with the presence of Swampert and Donphan. Donphan I use as my dragon killer. I have figured a new EV spread that garuantee's a 2HKO on any dragon with Ice Shard.
Donphan takes care of dragons with aid from Luke.
Swampert Leads off taking care of other leads that could be trouble. the swampert set you mentioned does nothing to Gyara, and I will be more than happy to 2HKO a slower Hippowdon with waterfall THEN avalanche if I'm hit. Avalanhce hits better when I'm hit and I think since swampert runs slow, Avalanche becomes an advantage even with the lefties usage. does that make sense or did I fail at resoning yet again lol

There are some flaws in your logic. Ice Beam is special, and Hippoman shrugs off physical hits. Even when you are it first. Ice Beam, being special, wits many things harder, even though it is stronger when hit last, IF hit last. Ice Beam has much more security against many more tings, there is a reason it was suggested over the admittidly obvious choice of Avalance. Avalance is like relying on Pursuit.

Second, Gya is NOT a dragon. It will not be stopped by that Donphan, and definately not Swampert. Gya can just easily charge up while you are stubbornly using Donphan & Swampert.

You just don't understand how bulky a Hippo is, do you? Especially through a physical Swampert. He eats up, and Slacks off physical hits.

 

[Outlawed]

Yes you are right, Waterfall and Avalance wont do nothing that matters. and Hydro Pump plays better in General. Ice Beam plays ok as well against dragons. Although Swampert with Stone Edge Laughs at Gyara and I know it isn't a dragon lol
Flying and Water I know. Donphan does nothing to it I know I said Dragons. Swampert with Stone Edge however, does. and Gyara can't touch it, the only thing it can do is set rocks, or taunt me.

 

[sims796]

Yes you are right, Waterfall and Avalance wont do nothing that matters. and Hydro Pump plays better in General. Ice Beam plays ok as well against dragons. Although Swampert with Stone Edge Laughs at Gyara and I know it isn't a dragon lol
Flying and Water I know. Donphan does nothing to it I know I said Dragons. Swampert with Stone Edge however, does. and Gyara can't touch it, the only thing it can do is set rocks, or taunt me.

Set rocks? If you mean Gya, it doesn't set rocks, unless I read that wrong.

I don't quite remember, but I don't think that you'll be doing enough damage with Stone Edge if he switches in on you. Intimidate will weaken you down enough for him to charge up with Dragon Dance, then not even Dusknoir will be able to handle him.

What are you planning on giving up for Stone Edge?

 

[Outlawed]

HP Electric seems the only better solution there.

 

[sims796]

No, no, Stone Edge will do, but you still gotta be careful. Don't underestimate Intimidate & a few Dragon Dances.

Let's not oversell Swamperts SP.ATK. Stone Edge will do, with Caution. The current set gets eaten alive by Gya, & you must get Noir in there fast.

Once Gya gets in a few DD's, only a roundhouse kick from Chuck Norris can stop it. So prevent him from getting more than one DD. Also, some opponents expect a Thunderrpuch from Noir, so be careful.