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NiNGi said:
DUUUUUUUUDE! Modern ninjutsu suck!!! xD Yeah I'm talking to u :P
I am a moder ninja because I'm one of the people who are keeping Togakure Ryu Ninjutsu alive!! The only schools that can be defined to teach ninjutsu are the traditional ooones xD
*breaths deeply* oh..... ok I'm alright now xD *calms down*
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That's nice. o_o =o I guess modern ninjutsu doesn't belong then. :P

SPon11 said:
Nick, give her drawing. That is, unless, you totally suck at drawing XD
I always draw my mom a pokemon, and then she ends up putting it in my baby book (?)[/color]
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Then it'd be even cuter! Unless... his mom is, well... is... well... heh... um, I don't know. XD
 
xD!! Sorry i just let myself go for a while xD
Yeah, modern ninjutsu is NOT ninjutsu. Those are just instructors that popped up around the 80's when there was the 'ninja mania', so everyone wanted to learn their art etc.
Modern 'ninjutsu' can be a quite good martial art, and it is quite effective but it should be called with some other name IMHO... The Togakure Ryu Ninjutsu is one art which is being passed down and developed since about 900 years.... In fact, i'm pretty proud of being part of the Genbukan Ninpou Bugei... ^^
Modern ninjutsu is something like a mix of martial arts which try to imitate the ancient ninja, but are NOT connected anyhow with any ninja tradition... so let's say its sort of a fake copy xP
 
LOL, but why should ninjutsu be called something else? :) :\
 
Because its NOT ninjutsu xD
Its another art, its nothing like real ninjutsu so its NOT it. The art is altered and its just a bad copy.
It should be considered as another martial art.... because Ninjutsu is much more than slashing and kicking... its an art where the teaching goes up to spiritual levels, which westerners' modern ninjutsu is a stolen art which don't recognise those spiritual teachings. its just slashing and kicking.
 
Argh, my brain cannot handle all of these humungous Japanese words...
And do you mean that Ninjutsu is like Kung Fu? I heard that Kung Fu was more of a religion that fighting. Not only do you learn descipline, but you learn about Budha or...some guy like that...
 
NiNGi said:
Because its NOT ninjutsu xD
Its another art, its nothing like real ninjutsu so its NOT it. The art is altered and its just a bad copy.
It should be considered as another martial art.... because Ninjutsu is much more than slashing and kicking... its an art where the teaching goes up to spiritual levels, which westerners' modern ninjutsu is a stolen art which don't recognise those spiritual teachings. its just slashing and kicking.
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I can see you see a lot of difference between them. O_o Anyways, I misread your post so don't be so worked up it, lol!

Ah... but I think I see a contradiction. You said modern ninjutsu is effective, yet, it does not recognize spiritual teachings? Correct me if I'm wrong, but the spirit is very important during the practical uses of ninjustsu, i.e. self-defense or tournaments, so modern ninjutsu must be at a handicap if there's no spiritual guidance offered. What do you think?
 
Well, among the 18 skills of the ninja there is the Seishin Teki Kyoyo, which is the spiritual refinement. Ninpou is not only protecting your body by fighting physically, its also protecting ones' inner person, ones' spirit.... its kind of hard to explain, but you need a really strong spirit to cope with the fatigue, commitment and pain of the training. Its more deep than this, even though at the moment its hard to explain. It has no real 'religious' influence, its mostly spiritual meaning, which everyone can experience regardless their religion.

EDIT: About what you were saying, 22sa, I said its effective in order not to let down modern ninjutsu. Modern Karate is effective. Kick-boxing is effective. Modern ninjutsu is effective, but its simply one of the other martial arts like Kick-boxing, Modern Karate etc.
Real Ninjutsu is something more. It gives the prectitioner physical strenght, yet backed up by a strong spirit and humility. Humility has an important role on surviving. The best outcome of a fight is when the fight ends up with both people not hurting each other. This won't happen if there's not humility in anyone of them. The real ninja must be able to understand and master the Nintai Seishin. Te result will lead to the ability to pocket any insult and later get rid of it with any trace of resentment. This can avoid fighting and promotes peace. "Ninpo began as training to become a moral people and to learn to endure in whatever social condition one is in; to know and accept ones fate, and to live for human beings and all other creatures. The person who masters all of these is a ninja."
I hope this explains a bit.
 
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NiNGi said:
Well, among the 18 skills of the ninja there is the Seishin Teki Kyoyo, which is the spiritual refinement. Ninpou is not only protecting your body by fighting physically, its also protecting ones' inner person, ones' spirit.... its kind of hard to explain, but you need a really strong spirit to cope with the fatigue, commitment and pain of the training. Its more deep than this, even though at the moment its hard to explain. It has no real 'religious' influence, its mostly spiritual meaning, which everyone can experience regardless their religion.
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Emotion wise, spiritual and religious are the same... but yes, that's what I was trying to say. You need a strong spirit to bear through in a real challenge. So I'm guessing modern ninjutsu would require one to know his own spirit by him or herself, or have him or her left out, or left behind.

QUOTE: Argh, my brain cannot handle all of these humungous Japanese words...
And do you mean that Ninjutsu is like Kung Fu? I heard that Kung Fu was more of a religion that fighting. Not only do you learn descipline, but you learn about Budha or...some guy like that...

Everything becomes like a religion once you get deep enough into it.
 
Please read the edit above for a better understanding ^^
Anyway, I consider spirit and religion different things... religion is one's belief about God, the spirit is something everyone has, and its personal.
 
Conceptually, they can be taken differently, I suppose.

NiNGi said:
EDIT: About what you were saying, 22sa, I said its effective in order not to let down modern ninjutsu. Modern Karate is effective. Kick-boxing is effective. Modern ninjutsu is effective, but its simply one of the other martial arts like Kick-boxing, Modern Karate etc.
Real Ninjutsu is something more. It gives the prectitioner physical strenght, yet backed up by a strong spirit and humility. Humility has an important role on surviving. The best outcome of a fight is when the fight ends up with both people not hurting each other. This won't happen if there's not humility in anyone of them. The real ninja must be able to understand and master the Nintai Seishin. Te result will lead to the ability to pocket any insult and later get rid of it with any trace of resentment. This can avoid fighting and promotes peace. "Ninpo began as training to become a moral people and to learn to endure in whatever social condition one is in; to know and accept ones fate, and to live for human beings and all other creatures. The person who masters all of these is a ninja."
I hope this explains a bit.
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Sounds very noble. As Sun Tzu puts it, "Hence to fight and conquer in all your battles is not supreme excellence; supreme excellence consists in breaking the enemy's resistance without fighting."

Beautiful. :P
 
22sa said:
Sounds very noble. As Sun Tzu puts it, "Hence to fight and conquer in all your battles is not supreme excellence; supreme excellence consists in breaking the enemy's resistance without fighting."

Beautiful. :P
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Yeah, that's beautiful indeed... :classic:
And as O' Sensei Toshitsugu Takamatsu said: "The first priority to the ninja was to win without fighting, and that remains the way."

Anyway, I'm glad to speak to you about certain things... you seem to be a cool dude ^^
This kind of conversations always turn out good and useful... i like em xD
 
NiNGi said:
Yeah, that's beautiful indeed... :classic:
And as O' Sensei Toshitsugu Takamatsu said: "The first priority to the ninja was to win without fighting, and that remains the way."

Anyway, I'm glad to speak to you about certain things... you seem to be a cool dude ^^
This kind of conversations always turn out good and useful... i like em xD
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lol, The truth is, I didn't know anything about Ninja till this conversation, so thank you too. It was indeed good and useful. It is clear to me now that the priority of Ninjustsu is character, and not fighting. Very good! ^_^
 
^o^!
As I said, this conversation has had a positive outcome ^^
It at least made clear what a ninja is more like than when you see them in hollywood movies ?_?
They have always been tought as thieves, assassins and so on. The ninja's fame was destroyed by the government. All the heroes remembered in ancient Japan were referred as samurais, yet, many of them were ninjas, like the Great Hanzo Hattori, a faithful soldier and Emperor's bodyguard who has made many heroic acts and yet, he was a ninja remembered as a Samurai. The ninjas were a population cut off the society, that is why they have ruined their reputation much.
And in the end, they had been accused of being demons, using magic and not being conformed with the main religion. The majority of the Ninja families were destroyed, Ninjutsu was banned, and the art seemed to have been disappeared, but yet it was still practiced by few who passed it on to close students and family members. This way the remaining knowledge of Ninjutsu was brought up to today, and its now expanding again.... its just amazing in my opinion =)

Well, now bed time!!!! xD Cya!! xP
 
See ya. Well, can't blame Americans for not knowing other nations, 'cuz that's almost their stereotypical trade. :laugh: :)
 
Dreaming of PC?

If I'm having dreams about PC I think I need to stay offline a bit.. -_- I had a very weird dream that I was on PC warning everyone.. No ones avatars would show up exept Steve's.. meh, dumb dream.. The dream wasn't even of my fav. forum. x_x I must stay away from those new drugs those scientist gave me.

~Blade~
 
BladeForever said:
If I'm having dreams about PC I think I need to stay offline a bit.. -_- I had a very weird dream that I was on PC warning everyone.. No ones avatars would show up exept Steve's.. meh, dumb dream.. The dream wasn't even of my fav. forum. x_x I must stay away from those new drugs those scientist gave me.

~Blade~
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While you're at it, stay away from every other drug. (=
 
22sa said:
While you're at it, stay away from every other drug. (=
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That was all I accepted thanks. o.O I dont ever wanna have a dream about a forum again. <_< I have other things I'd like to dream about instead...

*tells the scientist their drugs had a very bad negative effect*

~Blade~
 
BladeForever said:
That was all I accepted thanks. o.O I dont ever wanna have a dream about a forum again. <_< I have other things I'd like to dream about instead...

*tells the scientist their drugs had a very bad negative effect*

~Blade~
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I'm curious, why do your dreams at night bother you so much anyway? O.o
 
22sa said:
I'm curious, why do your dreams at night bother you so much anyway? O.o
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bother me? nah, it's just a waste to be dreaming about a forum.. x_x I can think of much better dreams I rather have.. Also.. it's quite sad that my first dream in about a year (yes a year) had to be of a forum. What oddity..

~Blade~
 
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