Death?

[Sneeze]

You where posting it from a "THIS IS WHAT HAPPENS, ACCEPT IT" point of view not a "This is what I, as a Christian, believe happens" one.

And no, no it's not simple, it's far from simple.

Also, if you don't "accept" Jesus you go to hell, if you do heaven. What if you are good person, what if you do charity work, have a happy family, help the needy, but atheist? do you go to hell then? What if you are a bad person, hurt people, maybe even kill, commit adultery but at thiest? Do you get into heaven (Assuming you confess before you die)?

 

[WolfgangWhiplash]

About this heaven/hell talk...
I'm an atheist.
Maybe there is something beyond death, maybe it is just a passing sleep, though. We don't know. The religious can believe in something, but at the end of the day, they aren't sure of it. Everybody is agnostic if logic and reasoning is applied (not calling anyone dumb here, just saying that religious people act on feeling instead of logic), but religious people feel their faith, they feel it like it's there. Well, that's probably something only they can feel, maybe they're right, maybe they're wrong.
I have no idea how death is like, but I want to die one day, this is why I refuse the idea of a heaven. Immortality is too painful, the heaven would turn into hell after a couple of centuries. I want a final rest. I am terribly afraid of dying and leaving a son without a father to raise him in the future, otherwise, may death come.


This is from an atheist stand point. Don't get offended.

EDIT: corrected a typo.

 

[Spinor]

About this heaven/hell talk...
I'm an atheist.
Maybe there is something beyond death, maybe it is just a passing sleep, though. We don't know. The religious can believe in something, but at the end of the day, they aren't sure of it. Everybody is agnostic if logic and reasoning is applied (not calling anyone dumb here, just saying that religious people act on feeling instead of logic), but religious people feel their faith, they feel it like it's there. Well, that's probably something only they can feel, maybe they're right, maybe they're wrong.
I have no idea how death is like, but I want to die one day, this is why I refuse the idea of a heaven. Immortality is too painful, the heaven would turn into hell after a couple of centuries. I want a final rest. I am terribly afraid of dying and leaving a son without a father to raise him in the future, otherwise, may death come.

Then again, it is possible that either heaven is something mere mortals can never imagine. Or it could lead to the concept of reincarnation.

Yeah, reincarnation is possible. When you die your soul energy or whatever is probably shot up from your body and attracted to a fertilization somewhere else. Peace gets boring after a while too, you know. So why not keep living as something else?

 

[WolfgangWhiplash]

Then again, it is possible that either heaven is something mere mortals can never imagine. Or it could lead to the concept of reincarnation.

Yeah, reincarnation is possible. When you die your soul energy or whatever is probably shot up from your body and attracted to a fertilization somewhere else. Peace gets boring after a while too, you know. So why not keep living as something else?

I don't mind reincarnation. But it's pretty pointless if you don't remember your past life, isn't it?

It's more like a Divine Soul Recycling Project, other than something we actually experience.

Bah.

Anyway, even if heaven had Heavy Metal and pretty girls forever, I would still want to die sooner or later.

 

[The Corrupt Plague]

I am not afraid of death because I know that it is eventual. I am only afraid of some of the painful ways of getting there that are beyond my control, like murder or cancer because you have to go through a lot of suffering and wait them out for what feels like an eternity. The best way to die, in my opinion, would be in a deep sleep without even knowing.

 

[Åzurε]

And no, no it's not simple, it's far from simple.

A term I use is "complex simplicity". You can sum it up, but the underlying explanation and such is what gives the short version meaning.

Also, if you don't "accept" Jesus you go to hell, if you do heaven. What if you are good person, what if you do charity work, have a happy family, help the needy, but atheist? do you go to hell then?

Yes. It's not abusive, it's a tough fact. One sin qualifies you for eternal separation from God. Christ's death cleanses sin. My little take on it is this: Upon dying, the Bible says the faithful become like God. Perhaps it's a fusion of consciousness. God, as a perfect being is not able to become one and the same with an imperfect being. Disaster ensues.

What if you are a bad person, hurt people, maybe even kill, commit adultery but a theist? Do you get into heaven (Assuming you confess before you die)?

If one were to assume that it was a true, deep-as-the-core confession, I'd say yes. If the person lives saying they were Christian, and did nothing to change their behavior from doing all those things, they were living a lie. En fin.

About this heaven/hell talk...
I'm an atheist.
Maybe there is something beyond death, maybe it is just a passing sleep, though. We don't know. The religious can believe in something, but at the end of the day, they aren't sure of it. Everybody is agnostic if logic and reasoning is applied (not calling anyone dumb here, just saying that religious people act on feeling instead of logic), but religious people feel their faith, they feel it like it's there. Well, that's probably something only they can feel, maybe they're right, maybe they're wrong.

Religious people don't have to act on feeling instead of logic. it's simply a matter of accepting truth, and applying it as such to their sense of logic.

I have no idea how death is like, but I want to die one day, this is why I refuse the idea of a heaven. Immortality is too painful, the heaven would turn into hell after a couple of centuries. I want a final rest. I am terribly afraid of dying and leaving a son without a father to raise him in the future, otherwise, may death come.

I admit, Heaven didn't seem appealing to me either. It took contemplation, study, and eventually a new perspective merged. It's not something I can really describe in so many words.

 

[WolfgangWhiplash]

Religious people don't have to act on feeling instead of logic. it's simply a matter of accepting truth, and applying it as such to their sense of logic.

You think so? There are countless illogical inconsistencies on the bible/kuran/buddha's teachings/etc. And lots of things that science has proven wrong. And yet there are religious people that still know, as a fact, that they're right?

I don't think so. Nobody is sure how death is like, otherwise, we wouldn't be afraid of dying. Even the most holy of humans will try to survive at a critical condition. Why is that? It's because we're all agnostics at the very core. We're not sure of anything. It's beyond human knowledge and comprehension, as of today.

All that religious people can do is believe. And that, is feeling.
Everyone else thinks about the most logical end.

 

[Åzurε]

You think so? There are countless illogical inconsistencies on the bible/kuran/buddha's teachings/etc. And lots of things that science has proven wrong.

I'm not concerned with the Koran or Buddhism, name something science can disprove about the Bible. Not theoretical or assumed, proven.

And yet there are religious people that still know, as a fact, that they're right? I don't think so. Nobody is sure how death is like, otherwise, we wouldn't be afraid of dying. Even the most holy of humans will try to survive at a critical condition. Why is that? It's because we're all agnostics at the very core. We're not sure of anything.

Martyrs, remember? Jesus and the Apostles didn't resist death. I'm not afraid of dying myself, for death's sake. I'd love to keep living, young as I am, but if it happens it happens. I'd obviously try to sway things that encourage my living, but it's not fear. I've got people to help, and maybe chillin's to raise. And it's not fear for many people I know who are in Iraq or the hospital with terminal cancer. You can be unsure, and so are most people, but Not everyone is. Outside of Christianity there are those Muslim extremist suicide bombers who work on a far more violent expression of the same concept.

It's beyond human knowledge and comprehension, as of today.

All that religious people can do is believe. And that, is feeling.
Everyone else thinks about the most logical end.

As of today, huh?

Are you saying that faith makes a person illogical (real question)? I have yet to see anything factual and logical that contradicts my faith.

I don't plan to carry this on for much longer, lest the mods attack. But one more round or VMs are okay with me.

 

[Aureol]

Death is an interesting concept.

If there is no afterlife, you may be sad for a while, but everything must come to an end. It sucks, but it's inevitable, and we can only move on.

If there is an afterlife, death isn't all that sad because it's only a temporary separation, not really an end.

Either way, death isn't all that bad to the guy going through it in my opinion. It does tend to be pretty bad to those who loved him or her though.

Are you saying that faith makes a person illogical (real question)? I have yet to see anything factual and logical that contradicts my faith.

Classic argument: atheists are obviously immoral, while religious folks are obviously idiots. I like the way this article puts it: Sarcasm Society!

I refuse to be baited by people that claim science has disproven much of religion...

 

[FreakyLocz14]

Death is an interesting concept.

If there is no afterlife, you may be sad for a while, but everything must come to an end. It sucks, but it's inevitable, and we can only move on.

If there is an afterlife, death isn't all that sad because it's only a temporary separation, not really an end.

Either way, death isn't all that bad to the guy going through it in my opinion. It does tend to be pretty bad to those who loved him or her though.



Classic argument: atheists are obviously immoral, while religious folks are obviously idiots. I like the way this article puts it: Sarcasm Society!

I refuse to be baited by people that claim science has disproven much of religion...

Afterlife=a chance your loved on went to Hell

 

[Guillermo]

Afterlife=a chance your loved on went to Hell

See, now you're forcing your religion on everyone by saying that there is absolutely, no flaws, a Heaven and a Hell.

Death is one of those things you can look at and say, "Gee, I wonder what will happen after I die? I want to know but I don't want to die yet." Personally, for me, living forever would make me miserable. Really, there's a time when you would keep telling yourself you want to die because you're sick of living and you'll say to yourself, "Dammit, this is going to go on forever. :|"

 

[FreakyLocz14]

See, now you're forcing your religion on everyone by saying that there is absolutely, no flaws, a Heaven and a Hell.

Death is one of those things you can look at and say, "Gee, I wonder what will happen after I die? I want to know but I don't want to die yet." Personally, for me, living forever would make me miserable. Really, there's a time when you would keep telling yourself you want to die because you're sick of living and you'll say to yourself, "Dammit, this is going to go on forever. :|"

I was quoting what the above user said. He/she said that death is peaceful whether there is a an afterlife or not. I was just pointing out that if there is indeed an afterlife there could be a Hell, which would not be peaceful.

 

[Guillermo]

I was quoting what the above user said. He/she said that death is peaceful whether there is a an afterlife or not. I was just pointing out that if there is indeed an afterlife there could be a Hell, which would not be peaceful.

Yes, but you could have worded your post better, by saying that there could be a hell, not there is a hell.

But yeah, if there is a hell and we didn't do good then sucks to be us. :D

 

[Aureol]

I was quoting what the above user said. He/she said that death is peaceful whether there is a an afterlife or not. I was just pointing out that if there is indeed an afterlife there could be a Hell, which would not be peaceful.

Well, based on my beliefs, you only end up in hell if you're a really bad person (and I mean REALLY bad), so you had it coming. If it turns out that we were required to follow a certain religion or burn forever, and we didn't pick the special religion, then I agree: we're pretty screwed :\

Yes, but you could have worded your post better, by saying that there could be a hell, not there's a hell.

Lighten up a little bit... many people automatically assume that God doesn't exist around me, but I don't go jumping on them for it. I'm just saying that mostly because I usually state many things such as Jesus living and heaven existing as fact, even though it is obviously my opinion, and I don't want to be ranted at for not including every single opinion in my post :P

 

[FreakyLocz14]

All the churches I've attended said Heaven/Hell is based on whether you had faith in Christ or not and has nothing to do with whether or not you are a bad person.

In God's eyes everybody is a bad person because everybody has sinned at least once in their life so if it was based on your deeds everybody would end up in Hell. Christ died to exonorate us form our sins and it is an absolutely free gift from Him but to benefit you have to accept it.

This is just how I see it you don't have to prescribe to my beliefs.

 

[Guillermo]

Lighten up a little bit... many people automatically assume that God doesn't exist around me, but I don't go jumping on them for it. I'm just saying that mostly because I usually state many things such as Jesus living and heaven existing as fact, even though it is obviously my opinion, and I don't want to be ranted at for not including every single opinion in my post :P

Lighten up? I don't quite understand how I could be any less lightened up as of now. By telling him he could have worded his post better, I'm ranting at him? Really? I'm just saying what I want to say, so there you go.

 

[FreakyLocz14]

I'm a her by the way, guys.

 

[Åzurε]

I did not see that coming. XD

 

[AimayBee]

I'm a her by the way, guys.

Noone ever checks the gender thingy... They just look at the profile pic. lol

Anyway! Death... I've met her, i've shaken hands with her but she let me go...

My girlfriend helped me believe in a soul and as soul mates i am not bothered what happens to my body, i'll be with her forever!

So death is not too bad for me.

And as for the religious standing on death, this guy called Jesus died yes? Can i ask, where were the nails nailed into him on the cross?

 

[Heart's Soul]

I don't believe in an afterlife. I'm just not religious.

But, if what the 9 commandments say is true, then nobody can live in heaven. Everyone is evil in some point. Like me or my friend, Kristoph.