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Although it is rather fun to have all of your favorites on the same team, i imagine it be quite difficult to win in competitive battles today.(And i throw six random sweepers in a battle all the time and i dont lose alot=/). Whats on your team is based on your goal is pretty much all need be said.
Favorites=for fun
Competitive= for bussiness
Junk=loss(most of the time)

As for the "pokemon arn't machines" rants if you love your pokemon you would want the best for them would you not? Then train them
 
theprofessional said:
The fun factor is felt during your quest to defeat the Elite Four and the Champion. You might feel an exhilitration for some of the Legendary Pokemon side quests, but when your done with that, the excitement wines down.
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That's my problem(?), the second I beat the Elite Four, unlock the National DEX.. thoughts of restarting come into my head instantaneously, I'm already thinking; "What if I had this Pokemon, or this, ETC."

Also, on topic: I don't really care about Nature's and IV's and EV's.. for it me it just seems to take the fun out of the game.
 
I agree with Elete 4 Sam, I like pokemon cause it is fun and like ronan i don't care about the nature Ivs and evs altho I dont know wat ivs and evs are so i geuss i cant care.
 
Like mystery said, some people (like me) think that the fun part of the game is going on wifi and dominating other people. Others enjoy training their favorites or completing the Dex, and that's fine too. It's all a matter of what you think is fun.
 
Matt-O said:
a Modest Garchomp will never get you anywhere.
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Ever heard of Chainchomp? Granted, it doesn't use Mdest nature (it uses Rash or Mild), but a Special attacking Garchomp can be useful, even if it's mainly for the surprise factor.

theprofessional said:
The fun factor is felt during your quest to defeat the Elite Four and the Champion. You might feel an exhilitration for some of the Legendary Pokemon side quests, but when your done with that, the excitement wines down.
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The story isn't the best part. When people say Pokémon games are kiddy, that's the part they're describing. The best part is probably battling against human opponents - do you know any other game with nearly 500 characters (each having their own strengths and weaknesses) which have a total over over 400 different moves (each with different effects)? Then, you have switching, and with that, predicting your opponent's moves so you can switch to something which resists them... It's a really challenging strategy game, not just an RPG.

blitzbear said:
i dont really much care about ev training becuase lifes to short to waste time bothering to do that
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It's way faster to EV one Pokémon than it is to level one to level 100... With the right equipment (Pokérus and Power items), it's easy to EV something completely in just one hour.

ollieon said:
i agree too, i dont see the point in searching endlessly for a pokemon virtually identical to your own but with a different nature.
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With a different nature, it's not identical. A level 100 Salamence with max Attack has 333 Attack with a Bold nature, 369 with Hasty, and 405 with Lonely. That's 72 points of difference which can be made by just spending a bit longer catching Bagons.

mystery said:
As for the "pokemon arn't machines" rants if you love your pokemon you would want the best for them would you not? Then train them
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Also, technically Pokémon are machines. A DS is a machine; the game card is a piece of electrical equipment; why should the Pokémon themselves count as any different? I'm not saying it's bad to think otherwise; just that in reality, it's the truth.

And as for the original topic, I usually EV Pokémon first. However, once I've done that, I train them normally to learn moves, evolve etc. As for team choices, I do use my favourites - I don't even have a Garchomp or a Blissey, yet my Pokémon include ones that others may consider not so good, such as Lickilicky, Dunsparce and even Pikachu. Granted, it's harder to win, but it makes battles more interesting when you're not just seeing the same old Bronzongs and Weaviles.
 
I used tho think exactly like that, like people here took the game too seriously but really when you do EV train and IV breed you get the most out of the game, and it helps to know that your pokmon can do some serious damage in standard play. It can also be fun to get a large amount of EVd pokemon and shinies so if you consider this, youll have more fun
 
I find EV and Nature hard to learn, but i guess it can give you an edge. What ever floats your boat! I like trading the pokemon.
 
Wichu said:
Ever heard of Chainchomp? Granted, it doesn't use Mdest nature (it uses Rash or Mild), but a Special attacking Garchomp can be useful, even if it's mainly for the surprise factor.
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I have indeed heard of Chainchomp, but as you said, they run Mild or Rash. Why? Because to cause damage they still rely partially on Earthquake and Swords Dance, making them more mixed than Special. Never have I seen a completely Special Chompy, so until someone uses one to great effect, my point stands.
 
Okay. I dont think you guys understand what i was asking\saying. I was asking if people still played for the fun of it, and i said i dont have a problem with Ev training and Iv Breeding. I didnt mean to offend some of you, but i was just expressing my opinion.
 
Well, the game is fun anyway, and technically I play every game for fun! ^_^
 
I play Pokemon for the sake of playing the game. the whole EV Training and IV Stats can be annoying when you want to trade, but some one is like I want a garchomp w/ Rash nature, with good IV's in Attk and Spec Attk and all you want is something like a Lunatone. Dude if you want that, then go catch and train one yourself!

Another thing is whenyou battle someone and they don't say they're team is EV trained. and they completely sweep you and say, " you got fing Swept and pwned, pretty sweet huh?" No, not really, there is nothing fun about battling and not being able to attack you what so ever. if your point is to sweep people, there is no competetion in it at all, So what the F?

And ooooooh, don't even get me started on Shinies, outside of being rare, there is nothing special about them. They don't get better stats, moves or anything else.
 
Tac1 said:
Another thing is whenyou battle someone and they don't say they're team is EV trained. and they completely sweep you and say, " you got fing Swept and pwned, pretty sweet huh?" No, not really, there is nothing fun about battling and not being able to attack you what so ever. if your point is to sweep people, there is no competetion in it at all, So what the F?
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First off, it's implied that an opponent's team is EV trained, because it's implied that the opponent doesn't suck. Just because you're a bad trainer doesn't mean there's no competition in battling. >:(

And ooooooh, don't even get me started on Shinies, outside of being rare,
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That's the entire point of shinies. They're rare. Think of them as 'hunting trophies'.
 
I agree, I don't really know about or keep track of ev's and iv's. I just play for the fun of it.
 
I just play for the underground (guess i'm a bit of a Ruin Maniac? (he he he)), but when I play the full game, I usually just train my Pokémon. I do breed an extreme lot of Cranidos (currently 2 1/2 boxes full of Cranidos eggs) for Natures, but all in all, I'm a bit of both.
 
Gorebyss said:
Don't forget what Karen said!
"Strong Pokémon. Weak Pokémon. That is only the selfish perception of people. Truly skilled trainers should try to win with their favorites. I like your style. You understand what's important. Go on--the Champion is waiting."
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Hmm...I really like that quote! When I started getting involved in Pokemon (in Gen. 3), I just played for the fun of it, battling through the Pokemon League. I just caught Pokemon to have 'em; regarding natures, either I just caught the Pokemon as is or determined the nature based on its appearance. With "EV training", I just gave my Pkmn 10 of each vitamin, then I just trained them to Lv. 100. I figured once I maxed out on vitamins and training, my Pkmn were as strong as they could be. But then I learned the true extents of IVs, EVs, and nature choosing.
I'm sorta okay with "Engineering" for good IVs and natures , but the game gets less fun, since you don't really meet Pkmn by 'fate' (taking 'em as is) but by engineering (only accepting Pkmn that fit certain parameters). For example, if neglecting a Slaking's Atk is considered a "bad decision", that means any Slaking with an Attack-hindering nature would never be chosen for competitiveness, only by 'fate' if you take what you get (which happened to be an Atk-deficient Slaking). If you equate it to real life, it'd mean that even if you try your absolute best at something (like a contest), if you don't fit certain parameters, you'll never win the contest unless there's a fluke/lucky break that occurs in judging that just happens to allow you to win.
This is why I just hate it when fully-trained terrible IVs Pokemon face off against fully-trained max IVs, because the bad-IV Pkmn have THE lowest chance ever of winning. These bad-IV Pkmn need battles to be drawn out to either inflict sufficient damage, freeze/paralyze the foe consistently for easy damage, or allowing Toxic or Roar/Spikes to take their full effects (ignoring EVs and movesets, which are up to personal decisions).

Anyway, trying to stay on topic, just playing through the game to become the Pkmn League Champion, catch all of the Pokemon, and complete the sidequests seem enough reason to play the game just for fun. The concepts of IVs and EVs have the potential to add even more fun, if you like competition or just wanna get through the Battle Tower!

With the concept of favorites, sure, I'll probably have 1 or 2 teams full of favorites when battling. But to add more variety, I'll usually mix around faves and non-faves in my team, regardless of tiers, stats, whatever. It makes the game a bit more 'fun' when battling with other ppl, because since your team is unpredictable, you always have the 'element of surprise' and you're always in for a surprise! You have 493 different possibilities for a single foe, and 14,357,588,953,446,649 different possibilities for someone's party (hopefully I did the math right for that permutation/combination!)

Basically, in the end, Pokemon is an awesome and fun RPG that everyone can get enjoyment from, regardless of personal training methods, battle or collection preferences.

*Sorry for post length and/or if I veered off-topic!
 
Yes i do still put i am mostly filling my National dex and iv breeding,i only ev train my poke's now though.As iv'e done nearly all the battle's in the game..
 
The_Lucario_Master said:
Yes i do still put i am mostly filling my National dex and iv breeding,i only ev train my poke's now though.As iv'e done nearly all the battle's in the game..
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I know isnt it so fulfilling when you get a good breed, or soft resetting for shiny egg pokemon.
 
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