Do you believe in Jesus/God?

Believe in Jesus/God

  • Yes

    Votes: 57 46.7%

  • No

    Votes: 49 40.2%

  • Don't know

    Votes: 16 13.1%
  • Total voters
    122
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Atheistic, here. I've read the Holy Bible some four times, and simply can't take it as fact. As was previously stated, I'd rather spend my time making people I am sure exist happy.
 
Supi said:
Atheistic, here. I've read the Holy Bible some four times, and simply can't take it as fact. As was previously stated, I'd rather spend my time making people I am sure exist happy.
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That's because the bible shouldn't be taken as fact or even literally, it should be taken as something with a little bit of history and some good lesson. There's a lot of good stories and such in there, when you stop looking it as a literal guide and more like a book of Asop's Fables, it a bit different.
 
Yeah I kinda agree with you, Gilgamesh. We should just believe in what we believe. I just want to say one more thing though and it's one point why you should believe in God. Well, there is the history of Jesus and there is the bible, and there is the calender that has all of the exact dates. Then when you think about the haaj, there is no history, no bible or record, no nothing, I wouldn't be surprised if that is just a meteorite, but sometimes I think it's the anti-christ. I'm not trying to offend mouslums, i'm just making a statement, you can say i'm wrong and you can say God doesn't exist but thats just my opinion. I'm sure this might offend people or then again maybe not but I don't mean to offend in any way. Well, thats all I have to say.
 
Zentek said:
Yes, definitely, I believe that Jesus will come down from heaven and slay the anti-christ when 2012 comes. That was just brief, if you want to know more, you can just pm me or give me a visitor comment, whatever you want. I'm very into this kinda stuff and won't mind telling whoever wants to know, but lots of you may already know all of that stuff just trying to be helpful ;)
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What? Where's the evidence to backup what you just said? That just sounds ridiculous to me.

And no; I don't believe in God. No religion has managed to sway my opinion yet and I don't think it will be swayed anytime soon. At the risk of sounding cliché, I make my own destiny. There is no higher force above me, looking over me. It just doesn't fit.
 
Like I said in my most recent post, the calender, I don't know the exact name for the calender but thats all the evidence you need. Also, there is a guy called Jack Van Impe and he has his own show, watch that and he'll tell you. Well, it's your choice that you don't believe in God.
 
Personally? no.

Now I believe that Jesus was a real person..But I do not believe that he did all those miracles..

I maybe think that people thought he was the son of god because he did something pretty amazing for that time..Now I can not think of something off the top of my head, but surely you know what i mean.

Now for god:

There are many arguments against him being true, for instance:

The Argument that says: "If god is all-loving and all-powerful, why does he let evil and suffering happen?"

Well, basically there have been many arguments from chirstians too go against this argument..But I think I'll say these ones:

"God created the world, but he is not outside it, and he can not control it"

"God lets evil and suffering happen because Adam and Eve turned their back on god, therefore, people must suffer"

"God lets evil and suffering happen so humans can build strength and character"

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So now there is an argument for god Existing..This is called: The Design argument.

The Design Argument basically says: "The world is so beautiful, there must have been some sort of designer"

Many people argue against this by saying that "Beauty is in the eye of the beholder",
So some people may think that the mountains are Beautiful...but others may consider them just to be a pile of rock.

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So basically I am saying that there are perfectly good arguments for both sides..

But I don't believe in god because of the lack of proof.

Sorry for the long post :S
 
I do not believe in God. I was brought up in such a way that Science is the correct way, and holds all the answers.

No offence to anybody religious, but it is physically impossible for God to exist. The world and the Universe were created by the Big Bang and life came to Earth on meteorites and comets; scientific evidence confirms this. I also don't like the way the Bible tells lies; the Adam and Eve story cannot possibly be true; they had two sons and one of them killed the other as far as I know. How did the human race expand? We evolved from primates; again, scientific evidence confirms this.

I have nothing against people who do believe. You are all entitled to believe in what you want to and I completely respect that. It's nice that people believe and all... but it's time people started to wake up and see the truth. I've always lived by the fact that if you want to believe in something, believe in yourself.

I refuse to believe in something when science proves it to be so farcical.
 
"If god is all-loving and all-powerful, why does he let evil and suffering happen?"

The Adam and Eve thing is kinda hard to believe but it could be also true, this is what I think; God is making us "suffer" because the Devil, well, the Devil actually has a name but I hate saying it, anyway, he way Gods best angel and he had so much power that he thought he was god so then, God kicked him out of Heaven and God made him look bad and ugly and stuff not like the beautiful angel ha was, and now God is seeing who can come to Heaven and the ones who can't. This is one of things that I think is true.
 
Zentek said:
Like I said in my most recent post, the calender, I don't know the exact name for the calender but thats all the evidence you need. Also, there is a guy called Jack Van Impe and he has his own show, watch that and he'll tell you. Well, it's your choice that you don't believe in God.
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What's that supposed to mean? I'm not trying start a fight or anything, but you say one thing and say that's all we need? It's like, and this is a bad example but I can't think of any thing else, a math teacher giving you one problem and saying you will need this the rest of your life. No awenser, just that problem.

And don't beleive in god, but am open to any possiblities, so long as you have enough proof.
 
Horizon said:
I do not believe in God. I was brought up in such a way that Science is the correct way, and holds all the answers.

No offence to anybody religious, but it is physically impossible for God to exist. The world and the Universe were created by the Big Bang and life came to Earth on meteorites and comets; scientific evidence confirms this. I also don't like the way the Bible tells lies; the Adam and Eve story cannot possibly be true; they had two sons and one of them killed the other as far as I know. How did the human race expand? We evolved from primates; again, scientific evidence confirms this.

I refuse to believe in something when science proves it to be so farcical.
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My question to you is, why is to so impossible to think that something spiritual can co-exist with science? As I've said before and I'll say again, there is more than one concept of God. Why does everyone keep 'defaulting' to the christian god :|

PS, the Big Bang theory is not 100% proven, there have been a few discoveries that have made the theory shaky. Theories are theories until they are proven as fact. I say this as I too take science very seriously, we cannot find the truth until we question enough so that we can prove it is true.
 
Callandor; Well, maybe I went a little overboard but I still believe that, there is other proof too but I don't want to go listing them now.
 
I don't believe. Or maybe it's just that I don't care?

Whether there is a god or not, it just seems like too much work to figure out which religion is "doing it right" and following the right path. I could dedicate my whole like to Christianity, or Hinduism, or something else and... at the end of it, I could be damned for following the wrong thing anyway. So instead I just ignore the whole thing as best I can and live my life for myself with my own philosophies.

If a god does exist, I'd probably just believe he/she/it started the big bang and sat back with some popcorn to watch and hasn't really done much since. :]
 
Armaina said:
My question to you is, why is to so impossible to think that something spiritual can co-exist with science? As I've said before and I'll say again, there is more than one concept of God. Why does everyone keep 'defaulting' to the christian god :|

PS, the Big Bang theory is not 100% proven, there have been a few discoveries that have made the theory shaky. Theories are theories until they are proven as fact. I say this as I too take science very seriously, we cannot find the truth until we question enough so that we can prove it is true.
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Because the discoveries of science cancel out what the teachings of religion say. I am fully aware that there is more that once concept of God, but since this thread refers specifically to the Christian sense, that's what my post was based on.

I concur, we cannot 100% prove that the Big Bang theory is correct, but I have read up on it enough to conclude that it is the theory with the highest chance of being correct. Similarly, we cannot 100% prove the existence (or indeed lack of) of God, or another higher being. But from what I have learned throughout my life, what I have read up on and what I have been taught to believe, the existence of a higher being is completely illogical.

Conclusively, we cannot prove one way or the other, so this debate cancels itself out. Athiests and believers coming together and pitting their 'evidence' against the other side will ultimately prove nothing.
 
yes because when i was Locked up(in juvy) I realized that what the bible said is true... "That we will all be put through test intil we learn a lesson".

so i read the bible but what I wonder

"WHY were we created and why do we have to die?

Life is all bout happiness and Love... but I say Yes
 
Lightning; I'm just saying this and not arguing but if don't believe in anything then I think you could just not go to any after life, this is just an example but God would not want to reward you for just sitting and maybe just having the crack, he wants you to believe as one of his followers, thats just an example but maybe even true but you should believe in something. You don't have to if you don't want to, i'm just saying it.
 
Horizon said:
I do not believe in God. I was brought up in such a way that Science is the correct way, and holds all the answers.

No offence to anybody religious, but it is physically impossible for God to exist. The world and the Universe were created by the Big Bang and life came to Earth on meteorites and comets; scientific evidence confirms this. I also don't like the way the Bible tells lies; the Adam and Eve story cannot possibly be true; they had two sons and one of them killed the other as far as I know. How did the human race expand? We evolved from primates; again, scientific evidence confirms this.

I have nothing against people who do believe. You are all entitled to believe in what you want to and I completely respect that. It's nice that people believe and all... but it's time people started to wake up and see the truth. I've always lived by the fact that if you want to believe in something, believe in yourself.

I refuse to believe in something when science proves it to be so farcical.
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That is awesome. And makes alot of sence. I also grew up with parents that did not believe in God. I also grew up watching The Land Before Time movies, and as my mom said "How can you not believe in evolution watching this?
 
Horizon said:
Because the discoveries of science cancel out what the teachings of religion say. I am fully aware that there is more that once concept of God, but since this thread refers specifically to the Christian sense, that's what my post was based on.

I concur, we cannot 100% prove that the Big Bang theory is correct, but I have read up on it enough to conclude that it is the theory with the highest chance of being correct. Similarly, we cannot 100% prove the existence (or indeed lack of) of God, or another higher being. But from what I have learned throughout my life, what I have read up on and what I have been taught to believe, the existence of a higher being is completely illogical.

Conclusively, we cannot prove one way or the other, so this debate cancels itself out. Athiests and believers coming together and pitting their 'evidence' against the other side will ultimately prove nothing.
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Science cancels out what -organized- religions teach, there's a catch there ~_^ The problem is the person that started the thread made a poll specifically referencing the christian god and then asked very vague questions :|

Of course, I would like to state, that I don't believe in arguing whether or not a belief is true, that is impossible, none of us can prove that no matter what anyone says. Now sharing one's beliefs in reasons for them or the possibility of. However trying to prove whether any religion or any form a spirituality is true is just silly.
 
Yes I do. But not in the same way Christians do. As a Muslim, I believe that God created everything and Jesus was God's messenger, not his son.

Now the Big Bang theory. Before the Big Bang, apparently there was nothing. What could've caused it? The Big Bang couldn't have just exploded in an empty void. So obviously, God did so. I mean, scientists say that there must've been higher power in the creation of the universe. Furthermore, can you say that the entire universe regulates itself on one massive coincidence? People are saying that there was one coincidence after another that prompted the orbits of planets, the creation of stars, the creation of life forms and such. The complexity of such things must be managed by some higher intellignce and not by coincidence. Science is correct in many ways, but it only provides evidence for what we do know. It only answers things ased on evidence we have collected. As for the rest of the things that science doesn't know, scientists invent theoies to explain stuff for us.

Now, take a look around you and witness all the nature. Witness all the technology you have create and the beauty of the things God has creeated. Animals, plants, the Earth. Don't you think something must be behind our existence? We're the only intelligent species on Earth. Don't you think that there ust be some reason for our existence as intelligent beings? Do we just get born, go to school, get a job, make mone and die? I think not. There must be some purpose in life beyond that. Religion explains this.
 
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Nope. There are literally thousands and thousands of religions out there, all who think they have the right one, there's no reason to believe that one is right other than being brought up in that religion...I have thought about it a lot, really. I sway between thinking there is something out there, because how we all work seems crazily complicated and seems to work together, such as all the organs in the body, that I think someone must have designed it. But I also sometimes think that there's definatly nothing out there and it's just a load of people being brainwashed. We've done so much in sociology about sects, some go in months, some become huge, and I think to myself, Christianity is just one of those sects that happened to have took off.

All I want to know if how the universe was created, but I suppose I'll never really know, which makes me feel kind of sad.
 
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