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Well since a very good thing of mentioning the Bible yet there's no flamewar, I'll continue on in that idea then. Yay haven't spoken about the bible on PC for at least a year now~ *joy*

For those who do not believe in the bible, just ignore this entire post and treat it as SPAM.

First of all, the lord did allow us to eat meat and chickens and dogs alike, as he did allow Peter to eat all kinds of things. I can't remember the exact passage (bad bad Frosty not putting effort into memorizing his bible verses x_x), but God did mention how everything he created is clean, so why is it that we do not eat something simply because it is "not clean?" And those animals are probably a lot more clean than us humans can ever be. So the idea of eating them is allowed.
(this passage is... somewhere in Acts O.o; )

But now that's for eating... the bible didn't mention using animals as skin belts or whatsoever... However I personally believe that if you kill an animal, you should use as much of the animal as possible. If you're killing the Kangaroo for its skin, then you should also use as much of the other parts of the Kangaroo as possible just so it's not wasted. Err... kangaroo meat? O.o?

It's for sure that God gave humans the power to watch over his creations, as that's what he instructed Adam to do, but just what is to "watch over?" Back then in Eden, you really don't have to do much because everything is perfect already. But now on earth, the definition of watching over is perhaps to protect them and not make them extinct (which we absolutely suck at). Well at least we're somewhat trying on the extinct part now... But about "animal farming" I really don't know... but knowing that it's impossible for all company leaders to be christian (at this moment of time), this trend will continue and will only grow worst because of money. Are they really going to use the cash to make seperate cells for each chicken so that they're nice and comfy before they're slaughtered as food? No because that's not economical. As long as it doesn't cost much/anything, it will be the way how things run for a long time.
 
frostweaver said:
First of all, the lord did allow us to eat meat and chickens and dogs alike, as he did allow Peter to eat all kinds of things. I can't remember the exact passage (bad bad Frosty not putting effort into memorizing his bible verses x_x), but God did mention how everything he created is clean, so why is it that we do not eat something simply because it is "not clean?" And those animals are probably a lot more clean than us humans can ever be. So the idea of eating them is allowed.
(this passage is... somewhere in Acts O.o; )
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So, your saying Frosty that slaughtering dogs is right? Do you seriously not give a **** for these dogs tied up, watching in horror, as their fellow canines have their throats slit? And these vile men who do this as their job, as if they're cutting up cookies rather then Dogs? These Dogs are killed alive, first hit over the head with a plan of wood, then cut intill they bleed intill they are unconsious and then they have their throats slit. The dogs watching tremble, howl, whine and look so terrified, only someone with a heart of stone could possibly kill these innocent creatures. If you don't care, you must be mad.[/font]
 
Ah, but what frostweaver was saying is that we are allowed to eat meat of all kinds, but that doesn't necessarially mean that we should. As he said, we are stewards of the earth (not very good ones nowadays -_-;; ) I think different animals serve different purposes based on their abilities. Animals like Chickens and Pigs are best for eating, horses and camels are best for riding and transporting, cats and dogs are best for providing companionship, and many more exotic things are best for their beauty.
 
Err... if we're still dwelling on biblica context, the Lord has always allowed us to do anything including murder, rape and whatever. Just because it's allowed that doesn't mean we should. But those things are stuff that God has clearly spoken out against. But according to that part of the passage in Acts, God clearly mentioned how we're free to eat them. To me, nothing is wrong against it.

Don't let your North American ego overcome your brain... at least most dogs do get lovely owners who'll take care of them, unlike pigs who are mostly born to die and be eaten... just take a step back and imagine the world outside of North America. At this moment, someone of the jewish culture is probably dissing you this very moment for eating a pig... someone in India is probably cursing you under his/her breath for eating a cow. It's all part of the culture. Some cultures/religion eat dogs, while some other ones protect/religion dogs. It's like how cows are sacred animals who can walk across the road and sleep on the road in India, and the traffic of the entire city just have to wait until they wake up in order to keep moving. What will they think about us who slaughter so many cows on a daily basis? Yet we're quite "immune" to such "mass slaughter." Just because you belong to the culture where you protect dogs does not mean that the other culture/religion is inferior compare to yours. Have some respect for the other cultures who view this issue a bit differently.

And if you must talk about how they are also living creatures, really it's an endless debt that humans can never pay off to all of the other living creatures beside the serpent... if it isn't for Adam and Eve who first sinned and got EVERYONE (those two and the animals) booted out of Eden, all those other animals (except the serpent) would have been enjoying eternal life up to this day in a world of complete perfection... we owe them something beyond what humans can do to make up for it since the time humans started to walk the earth...
 
And where from the Bible are you getting that we're allowed to murder and rape? We may be physically able to, but it doesn't mean that we SHOULD. I never thought I?d hear a Christian say that they believe that we should be able to do whatever we want! What?s the use of even following God if you?re going to be a moral anarchist? I do believe hearing somewhere a little thing called Thou Shalt Not Kill, as in a decree from God Himself that we are forbidden from doing it. It doesn't mean that we can't, though, but you're making it sound like it should be perfectly acceptable.

Oh, come on. How can you actually say that I'm saying that I'm better than any other culture just because I don't eat dogs? Let them if they have to, I don't because I don't have to. I see a higher intelligence in them than I do in other animals, so I would be more reluctant to eat them, but I WOULD if I HAD TO. North American ego? Yes, I admit I'm an evil capatalist pig who kicks blind beggars and has vaults and vaults of gold krugerrands, I'm an evil American who bathes in oil and the blood of arabs, but I see NO ARROGANCE in having a dislike for eating animals that I'm not used to eating. I don't care what people eat, and I certainly don't care if someone in some other country hates me for eating cows and pigs! I don't follow the Kabbala or the Upanishads, I follow the Bible, and from what I understand God DID say that all things were acceptable to eat, but I can't be held accountable because I don't eat a certain animal! I respect all cultures, and it's offensive to me that you would accuse me of seeing myself as higher than someone else just because I DON'T EAT DOGS.

Eden is long over with, I've moved on, we all have. We owe animals nothing. What am I going to do, apologize to every animal that I see? What was done long ago is not my fault, I hold no responsibility for anything anyone did then, I wasn?t there. We slipped up, and there?s nothing we can do about it. We can?t sit around crying about what could have been when the best option we have is to make the best of what we have. Of course things will never be optimum, but animals are just that, and we have a right to do whatever we want with them! We would have killed and eaten them in Eden, we?re doing nothing different than we would have done. I, for one, am not going to bow and weep at the feet of animals begging for forgiveness.
 
frostweaver said:
the Lord has always allowed us to do anything including murder, rape and whatever. Just because it's allowed that doesn't mean we should do it. And those things are stuff that God has clearly spoken out against.
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O.o; Didn't I say that...? I think you skipped that sentence or something...? But it's fine... Everyone gets some reading mistakes once in awhile.

God gave us freedom when he created us (if we lacked freedom, then why is it possible that we even sin in the first place if we're like robots?) because he loves us dearly. It's not like God will come down from heaven and kill you the minute you sin, as he doesn't want us to be robots and just obey him not out of our own will. Rather, the punishment of sin comes in the afterlife, and that is a one way ticket down we all know where... of course, there is a way out of that...

The "you" in my last post wasn't about you Chairman Kaga but to Silent Tattsu... another misunderstanding. >>;
Next time I should apply completely proper grammar in an argumentative thread... ._.;
 
You know what this makes me sick that you all cant understnad that we may not be all mighty ruler. And why not equality. *le gasps* Its how the world was created but obviously since thats change the world will end.
 
okay man like people are animals too. were just more self-aware. animals are there to be animals not for ourt use. ideally we should all beleieve what we want and help both animals an people in need. they feel the same pain but i think th pripority on ppl's rights shoudl be a little higher. a human is more aware than an animal that theyre doomed and as a result in more pain ... wow brain overload we should have another woodstock.
 
hate me for this... but eating bird and fishmeat is all that i like to do. it's said that, "it's ok to eat fish 'cuz they don't have any feelings". but seriously... fish and birds aren't really smart enough to be afraid or even in some cases feel pain. people do much worse stuff to cows. have you ever seen a slaughterhouse? i have... they're pretty brutal. they're packed in just like that and most often they're killed with machettes or similar. so, if we're worrying about animals... let it be mamals at least.
 
Poor animals. All I know is that they taste good and I eat them. *This is so spamtastic*

Don't get me wrong, I know it's bad to hurt animals, but they are food! Besides, It's not like it's up to me what happens to them, so I try not to think about where my juicy meat comes from when I buy it. I know it's from animals, but I don't wanna know how it got there. I'm just thankful it is and tasting so good. *Lallalaalala I'm gonna get flamed for cruelty Lalalallaaalalala*
 
Think of it this way, its illegal to kill man, but in reality were all one civiliazation that is in packs or heards. And no birds arent stupid. They dont know the exact things we know. We tend to harnass our education in other ways but for them its instinct.
 
~*Silent Tattsu*~ said:

*cough* Very.. heated.. debate.. *cough*

Ugh... i've seen worse then this, but it still makes me very upset and disgusted just to see Chickens in this situation. ><

This is one of the most heated debates - Slaughtery/Hunting/Animal Abuse/Animal Testing. Just goes to show what horrible creatures we are. One of the things i loath most in this world is Animal abuse. I get SO angry about it.

Pokedragonfire, i have absoloutley nothing against you, i feel just the same whether it's cruelty to Chickens or Cruelty to Dogs any animal counts. It still means something to me. You don't deserve people to be nasty to you just cause you care. It's just the fact that there are much, much worse things happening to Animals around the world.

I've seen alot of cases of Animal abuse, and the horrible things that happen in this world.

Korea - Dog Slaughtery:

I remember reading a artical on the vile things that happen to Dogs in places like Korea. There was one dogs story. I can remember it i think. This young dog one day in it's home in Korea managed to escape through it's owners front door. It ran just a few roads away, and was caught by a group of slaughters, and taken straight to the area were the Dogs were kept, it was abit like a small warehouse. There was wire around the area. Often there were so many dogs there they would be piled on top of each other, so cramped they couldn't walk one step. These dogs are caught, sold, given, bought to the slaughters who kill these dogs for meat. Koreans eat Dog, which in our Western world would be thought of as disgusting, and cruel, since the relationship between Humans and Dogs is one different to Chickens and other meat we normally eat, and therefore shocking to think of killing the animal that lives side by side of humans. Anyway millions of dogs are slaughtered each year in Korea, and this one dog watched it's fellow canines be shot, held by their back legs, thrown, strangled, hit with wooded planks so that they were able to easily kill the dog, ripped to pieces....i have seen pictures, and it makes you feel so sick, i would easily start crying if i was forced to look at these blood stained evil photos.

In other cases a Animal Welfare team found a disguised Lorry with wooden floorboards in the back, and underneath loads of Dogs, piled on top of each other, some suffocated or squished, dead dogs on alive ones, just imagine that picture. They were being transported secretly because the slaughters were hiding them.

Adidas - Kanaroo Slaughtery.

Then there's Adidas, the sports company. They slaughter millions of Kanagroos each year for their skin, which they use for their posh football boots. They could easily use other materials for the boots but no, they kill kangaroos. If you live in England you may have heard of Football hero David Beckam. He wears Football boots mad of innocent Kangaroo hide, just so he can play darn football. Adidas have teams that kill Kangaroos in the outback, normally shooting them, and in many cases they will shoot a female kangaroo with a young Joey in her pouch, and after they've shot the mom they either shoot the joey or leave it to die in the outback. Adidas have no proper reason to kill these animals, and there has been alot of issues between them and Animal campaigns allthough they are still doing it.

Killing off our living creatures -

Then there's us humans who have cause some animals to become endangered. Whales killed for their meat and skin, Whale hunting's still going on and slowly Whales numbers are dwindling. Siberian Tigers were shot for their fur, and now they are incredibly endanger. In my opinion, i think it wouldn't matter if a few people died just because they weren't alowed to get their hands on Whale meat, because we don't deserve to rule this world. We are destroying it, like stupid locusts. We are agressive, selfish animals, damaging our world, and killing innocent creatures. Frankly i'm ashamed to be human. Laugh at me all you want.

Every animal under the sun deserves to have a chance to live their life, we are all born for a reason, to live, and no matter what creature you are, we all are equal. So have a heart Blue, and stop acting as if yours is made of stone. Because no matter what there is no exuse for Animal Cruelty. Want to see some dead dogs cut all over in pools of blood? Maybe i should show you and then maybe you'll change your mind.
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WEll thats the real world you cant have a heart. It's either kill or get killed thts how it's been in the animal kingdom for thousands of years and theres no way that it's going to change. See your still to naive you havent experinced the real world. Untill you can tell me that a suffering family in west africa is less important then a chicken then i will belive you
 
ya blue but its not faor because we have advanced weapons and technology and animals dont stand a chance no more. and tje way animals are farmed like totally violates the laws of survival... peace on earth, man
 
But you dont relize that we can stop it but humans are ignorant things in the end `
 
blue said:
WEll thats the real world you cant have a heart. It's either kill or get killed thts how it's been in the animal kingdom for thousands of years and theres no way that it's going to change. See your still to naive you havent experinced the real world. Untill you can tell me that a suffering family in west africa is less important then a chicken then i will belive you
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Calling me naive you big headed 15yr old?
So your seriously saying that i care more for a chicken than a suffering family? Puh...NO. This topic is about Animals Blue, not comparing whether we should care more for poverty striken people over abused Animals *grits teeth*

No MATTER what, Animal abuse is NOT right. I'm not saying that i don't care for people in poverty, but Animals have their own rights. Anybody who thinks Animals do not experience emotions is very stupid. The Worlds cruel in many ways, i know Animal cruelty is just one, but i care about it just as much as i do for other crisis going on in the World.

Don't you understand? You think your superior to me because your two years older and you think i know nothing. Well, maybe i should show you this - https://admh.org This is the headquaters of the Anti Dog Meat.
Maybe you need to see some foul images and see if it doesn't effect you inside, it if doesn't make you feel sick and disturbed. Or maybe https://www.animalsvoice.com/

I KNOW the World is a cruel place with awful things going on everyday, but that doesn't make Animal slaughtering in any way RIGHT. If you don't give a **** for the Animals of this earth, then get on with it, because i for one do.


There is no fundamental difference between man and the higher animals in their mental faculties... The lower animals, like man, manifestly feel pleasure and pain, happiness, and misery.
Charles Darwin (biologist)

I couldn't agree more.
 
Age dosent matter if you knew that you wouldent be naive you dont know what types of things i've gone to so you cant say i'm naive
 
blue said:
Age dosent matter if you knew that you wouldent be naive you dont know what types of things i've gone to so you cant say i'm naive
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I'm not calling you naive!? When did i say THAT? --;

Blue, just get on with it. I know you may have gone through stuff, have problems and hate your life IRL, but i've been through alot myself. I just don't talk about my private life online. What i'm saying is just because you have a tough time doesn't mean you should throw all your feelings onto other people, when they've done nothing wrong. It's no reason to be so cold hearted, because it just gives you a bad response from the people around you and makes you even more cold. It's a vicious circle. Anyway, i'm going off topic and stuff, so i'll just shut up. All i've tried to prove is just how angry i feel about this subject. Animal abuse is a terrible thing, and the way Koreans treat animals in the food market is something their country should be ashamed of. The relationship between Dogs/Cats and Humans we domesticated them for....Korean's have got it all wrong. We could change our world, but it's such a massive problem, poverty that it would be a miracle to overcome it. If i could change the world, i would.
 
~*Silent Tattsu*~ said:

I'm not calling you naive!? When did i say THAT? --;

Blue, just get on with it. I know you may have gone through stuff, have problems and hate your life IRL, but i've been through alot myself. I just don't talk about my private life online. What i'm saying is just because you have a tough time doesn't mean you should throw all your feelings onto other people, when they've done nothing wrong. It's no reason to be so cold hearted, because it just gives you a bad response from the people around you and makes you even more cold. It's a vicious circle. Anyway, i'm going off topic and stuff, so i'll just shut up. All i've tried to prove is just how angry i feel about this subject. Animal abuse is a terrible thing, and the way Koreans treat animals in the food market is something their country should be ashamed of. The relationship between Dogs/Cats and Humans we domesticated them for....Korean's have got it all wrong. We could change our world, but it's such a massive problem, poverty that it would be a miracle to overcome it. If i could change the world, i would.
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WHY?!?!? THis topic was over why did you have to restart it?
 
blue said:
WHY?!?!? THis topic was over why did you have to restart it?
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Uhhh... 'why' what? I didn't restart this topic, the first post i did here was on the same day 4 or 5 people posted aswell! Nice try mate. I just wanted to reply myself. Your not worth the arguement, so i'll just go away now...... --;
 
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