do you think pokemon game is overrated?

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    I feel like the reason Pokemon game sell well because it is well known game and many followers ( who grow up watching and playing pokemon games)

    If you play the game itself, you feel like the game is not that epic ( lack of engaging story line, challenging game play)

    There are so many rpg for 3ds out there that are on par with or even better than Pokemon game.

    But Pokemon still dominate them all.

    we are just product of marketing.
     
    Well, nobody's actually forcing us to buy them, y'know? :( We do it by our own choice. They seemingly don't advertise their games anymore as much as they used to, either, but fans still go ahead and buy due to how much they love the franchise. I know Pokémon games have gotten pretty repetitive over the years for some people, but if you feel this way, you should definitely take a break. Once you're back, you'll be feeling better than ever and enjoy them even more.
     
    I'm generally not a fan of legendary centered plots like the latter games have been, but you have to give credit where credit is due and the newer games do have more content and more of a story to follow than the first generations. I'd like to actually see a more simple approach in the future, similar to gen I or II and not have an "end of the world" plot or a forced legendary interaction, but even still, I'd say the plots have a lot more thought put into them now. Even the NPC dialog has more put into it than back then.

    I mainly enjoy Pokemon for the variety it brings, though. So many Pokemon and so many ways to use them and such...it's great. It's a big reason I enjoy challenges so much. They're limitless, practically. Pokemon is so versatile that even if you don't like the story the game itself has, you could always make up your own, whether you're doing a challenge or just going through the game normally. Sure, you shouldn't have to do that to enjoy the game, but it's something different and it's fun for those of us that like to make up our own stories. :)

    Edit: Also forgot to mention I like to collect Pokemon main games, but that's also because I enjoy them for reasons above. So...it's a collection that's very much merited, haha. So it's like...I buy the games not only because I want to, but because they add to my collection. I just like collecting.
     
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    While it is true that Pokemon does have a wide following, I doubt that's why there are so many fans and players of the series. People are devoted to the Pokemon series, because either they got into it via, as you said, other followers of the series, or they were there from the start. They could've just used something new, too xD

    I don't think the stories are lacking. If anything, they've picked up since Gen 5, where we got a story with a lot of depth for the series. The rest of the games, as previously stated by others, were simply about, well...touring the world and catching em all. Gen 4 added an apocalypse-like story (yes, I know Gen 3 had the land vs water thing, but I doubt they knew it would cause the end), with the creation of a new universe in replacement to ours. Gen 5 with the PETA cr---Team Plasma plot and the tricks played by Ghetsis were new to me. Then there's Gen 6...well, I sadly haven't played those.

    The thing about Pokemon is that it allows you to make your own gameplay style, kind of what Jak said. Pokemon's a flexible game, as you can do a whole bunch of things with your imagination in it. Sure, it's not at a Minecraft level of imagination, but there's a hell of a lot to do in Pokemon.
     
    I feel like the reason Pokemon game sell well because it is well known game and many followers ( who grow up watching and playing pokemon games)
    I always hated the anime, and sure it has many followers, but I don't mindlessly buy the games because everyone else does.


    If you play the game itself, you feel like the game is not that epic ( lack of engaging story line, challenging game play)
    I personally don't enjoy the storylines very much, just the gameplay after that, and sure the gyms are easy, but that's what wifi is for. The game is epic.

    There are so many rpg for 3ds out there that are on par with or even better than Pokemon game.
    I'm sure there is. What's your point? That we should be buying them instead of Pokemon?

    But Pokemon still dominate them all.
    They do? Pokemon has it's own way of captivating me unlike any other game i've owned. I don't think Pokemon dominates them all because we're all just stupid followers that buy the game because we grew up with it.

    we are just product of marketing.
    I have my own mind, I buy the games that look good, and skip the ones that are bad. I am not a product of marketing, which Pokemon does very little of anyway ._.
     
    I think Nonon and Syd explained most things already, but I do agree with them. Pokemon has a huge fanbase, especially with the games and like Nonon said in his post, most Pokemon fans have either been with the franchise since the beginning, or jumped on the bandwagon with others who were following the franchise. There's loads of aspects to the Pokemon brand but I think the games is definitely the one that stands out from the rest, because it's definitely the part of Pokemon that makes the most money. I'd imagine what Pokemon would be like without its stereotypical core series handheld-based games, it'd not be like what you'd be seeing it now.

    The plot may all be the same defeat 8 Gyms, become Champion and catch 'em all format, but it's what the series is all based around. If the main games changed away from this format, I don't think fans would be drawing in as much. And there has been loads of darker storylines lately, such as Black & White's following of N and Team Plasma, or X & Y's plot where Team Flare intend to commit genocide (yeah very dark isn't it) with the "ultimate weapon" but of course, they are just like every Pokemon game in terms of following the staple format that has been going for many years now.

    I know some veteran players may be dissatisfied with the later generations still following the "tradition" but that's where we have self-imposed challenges come in, hence why PC's Challenges section exists. We can all do everything to make the game harder, but for more casual players such as myself I just like to go with the flow.
     
    I wouldn't be surprised if someone finds this offensive. It sounds as if all of us are just blind sheep brainwashed by initial, first Pokemon games and now we all are just jumping on the Pokemon bandwagon cos everyone else does. That's bs.

    Pokemon has so many different aspects, and it offers so many different things. Some people will like how competitive it can. Some people just like collecting everything there is to be collected. Some people like the adventure, being able to choose your team/friends/pets and beat the evil with them. Story is like a huge TREE with branches stretching everywhere.
    Dont even get me started on why we love Pokemon Mystery dungeon series which is so amazingly made it brings emotions up on the surface. Yes, emotions, from a video game. Only in Pokemon.

    So no, Pokemon is not underrated, it deserves all the attention it gained through last 20 years, and hopefully it will stay like that for a long time, if not forever.
    Pokemon <3
     
    The thing is, at its start Pokemon had every disadvantage. They even ran out of funding and had to do some side project games to make up the difference to finish the originals. Those games wound up being successful because of their emphasis on collecting, not their RPG elements. As RPGs Pokemon is average at best, almost being a glorified game of Rock Paper Scissors. What keeps us coming back is more Pokemon to collect, more possibilities to improve beyond a game of Rock Paper Scissors, and one of the only RPGs out there that offers a competitive aspect. Pokemon has become very marketed, yes, but who cares, it's fun.
     
    BlueStone said:
    I feel like the reason Pokemon game sell well because it is well known game and many followers ( who grow up watching and playing pokemon games)
    I always hated the anime, and sure it has many followers, but I don't mindlessly buy the games because everyone else does.


    If you play the game itself, you feel like the game is not that epic ( lack of engaging story line, challenging game play)
    I personally don't enjoy the storylines very much, just the gameplay after that, and sure the gyms are easy, but that's what wifi is for. The game is epic.

    There are so many rpg for 3ds out there that are on par with or even better than Pokemon game.
    I'm sure there is. What's your point? That we should be buying them instead of Pokemon?

    But Pokemon still dominate them all.
    They do? Pokemon has it's own way of captivating me unlike any other game i've owned. I don't think Pokemon dominates them all because we're all just stupid followers that buy the game because we grew up with it.

    we are just product of marketing.
    I have my own mind, I buy the games that look good, and skip the ones that are bad. I am not a product of marketing, which Pokemon does very little of anyway ._.
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    You are product of a market and you don't even know it. let say there is game that is similar to pokemon, catching monster and battle it. It probably would not sell as much as pokemon because
    it doesn't have POKEMON name on it. marketing is not just about showing on tv. it is about pricing
    product, location. etc... Market 101 class
     
    I found X/Y to be completely mediocre as games and pretty terribly designed. GameFreak at this point is resting completely on the core mechanics that serve as the foundation for the series and tweaking them bit by bit with each new installment, which is all the games have going for them. As long as there's a Pokedex to fill out, Pokemon to train and breed, and a competitive aspect, people will continue to buy the games regardless of how good the game built on top of those fundamental mechanics is. Gens I and II were incredibly well designed video games, whereas the games that came after are relying on the formula too much to carry them and not on good game design, imo. Though, I haven't played Gen V yet so that could be an exception.
     
    You are product of a market and you don't even know it.
    I think I know what I am pretty well.

    let say there is game that is similar to pokemon, catching monster and battle it.
    There are a lot of games like that on the app store. I try them all, just to see if they're better than Pokemon. None of them all.

    It probably would not sell as much as pokemon because
    it doesn't have POKEMON name on it.
    Maybe not, but that's just because Pokemon has been around longer. It's like saying, "let's go to the ye' olde cafe instead of the new cafe because it's been around longer, and we're all more familiar with this old cafe.


    marketing is not just about showing on tv. it is about pricing
    product, location. etc... Market 101 class
    1. Pokemon is waaay more expensive than any of the apps in the app store, which generally range from free to 5 dollars, and you're telling me Pokemon wins because it's cheaper, which it isn't?
    2. Location? Sure, they release it all over the world. I'm not gonna buy the game because some dude in japan did.
    3. Product, exactly. The product is good, and that's why I buy it, not because i'm a blind follower of a stupid game that doesn't deserve my patronage. Thank you and good night.
     
    Looks like the OP has decided they're right and everyone else is wrong. But I'm still gonna comment on the shortcomings in the argument presented, which is essentially that Pokémon's marketing team is solely responsible for the game's success.

    I find it very interesting that of all the things that kids were into when Pokémon came out, very few are still popular today, and fewer have become more popular over time. Marketing absolutely factors into this, though less so now that social media is around, because people can find out about cool new things without big-budget ad campaigns.

    But it's pretty silly to suppose that marketing is the only reason the franchise is so incredibly successful. Sure, you can market the snot out of a crappy product, make a few sales, and bow out of the game while you've still got a profit. But to have the sort of staying power to remain profitable for two decades, you've got to have one hell of a good product, which is what the Pokemon games are.
     
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    dogtree said:
    You are product of a market and you don't even know it. let say there is game that is similar to pokemon, catching monster and battle it. It probably would not sell as much as pokemon because
    it doesn't have POKEMON name on it. marketing is not just about showing on tv. it is about pricing
    product, location. etc... Market 101 class
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    Ok guys, obviously we are not dealing here with someone who wants to discuss stuff. He is so sure we are "products of a market", he will now try to keep convincing us that we really are, and you guys are better off not even getting into the discussion. Smells like either bittered troll, or someone from another company trying to trash over Pokemon.
    Might be just me but it always starts like this.
    But I might be wrong ^^

    Anyway, I am pretty sure I am not market product. I prefer Pokemon over other similar games cos they are just copy-pastes usually, and I am familiar with the Pokemon system so it's even more enjoyable.
     
    xSvenx said:
    Ok guys, obviously we are not dealing here with someone who wants to discuss stuff. He is so sure we are "products of a market", he will now try to keep convincing us that we really are, and you guys are better off not even getting into the discussion. Smells like either bittered troll, or someone from another company trying to trash over Pokemon.
    Might be just me but it always starts like this.
    But I might be wrong ^^

    Anyway, I am pretty sure I am not market product. I prefer Pokemon over other similar games cos they are just copy-pastes usually, and I am familiar with the Pokemon system so it's even more enjoyable.
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    He definitely is not someone from another company. If he was someone from another company, he would be trying to convince us rather than enrage us.

    Either way, I'm not getting anywhere with this.
     
    Peitharchia said:
    They seemingly don't advertise their games anymore as much as they used to, either, but fans still go ahead and buy due to how much they love the franchise.
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    Exactly. Even though the Pokémon franchise is nowhere near the big sensation it was back in the late 1990s, new games are still being produced, new Pokémon are being added to the list every few years, and the anime is still running. It's much the same as any other media franchise that has been introduced to great hype, with the hype dying down after awhile, yet there are still lots of fans of it after all that time. Case in point: the Mario franchise-it's been around for almost 30 years. It was a big deal when it was new, then the hype died down, but hey, there's still games being released with Mario periodically, and those games tend to sell pretty well.
     
    dogtree said:
    You are product of a market and you don't even know it. let say there is game that is similar to pokemon, catching monster and battle it. It probably would not sell as much as pokemon because
    it doesn't have POKEMON name on it. marketing is not just about showing on tv. it is about pricing
    product, location. etc... Market 101 class
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    [PokeCommunity.com] do you think pokemon game is overrated?



    you know... you could argue same argument for EVERY SINGLE FANBASE.... like Digimon fans buy Digimon anime DVD because they are product of a market. What about Whovians ( fan of Doctor Who) They buy Doctor Who DVD and merchandise because they are fan of Doctor Who. What about Phoenix Wright fans who buy every single Phoenix Wright games. They are product of market as well. Really your argument serves no purpose.
     
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