Does God exist?

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Dude, chill out. xD That's my theory, you don't have to listen to it.

However, I seriously doubt anyone here has an even reasonable grasp on what God is. It's all up to speculation, so don't get so adamant about "disproving" people. It's all in context. >_>
 
It goes two ways with me:

One is less-likely than the other.

1. He does not exist. (Most likely)

The logic points to this. Especially for the Christian god, who is the one I have the most experience dealing with and have been refuting for ages now. There is plenty of evidence for the case of science, and that we didn't need some kind of supernatural man-god and his Daddy and half-brother Holy Spirit thingamajig to make everything.

Or, the other idea...

2. He exists, but he is evil. (Less likely, but if he exists, this would be the case)

Reading the Bible back to front really opens your eyes. Never in history has a book so full of violence, rape, incest, death, plague, discrimination, hatred, and evil, survived to go to the masses without being on a list of banned books, not to mention the fact that people encourage young children to read it.

Those are my two theories. I'd love to debate if people will be mature.
 
I'm going to ignore the second idea, as I don't feel like disputing that with experience.

But the first, I will.

The "evidence" can only go so far. As I said many times, it is in no way 100%. They are reasonable acceptions at most, while I have an interest, you'll need more than a few bone structures to prove I was a monkey.

My biggest thing is the fact that we cannot ever be exact on what happend back then, as it was millions, or billions, or something like that, years ago. No matter how much evidence we have to support evolution, it must STILL be taken with a grain of salt.
 
Well I have to say that I completely sit on fence with this.

Science, for the most part at least, proves that The Bible is a book of lies, the most prominent one that springs to mind is Adam and Eve. If they were the only two human beings, when they had children, their children would have to have children with each other in order for the human race to continue. Thus, we would all have been deformed due to their DNA being too closely matched. On the other hand, some could argue that this is how evolution is explained.

However, I'm sure even those of you who don't believe there is a God have found yourself praying to him in the most difficult times in your life. I know I have. And everybody needs something to believe in, including me.

While I don't go to church, and prayer isn't a daily event for me, I believe that I need to believe that someone is watching over me through the difficult times.
 
I indeed think God is real. I think everything after Jesus's birth was true. But the creation of the Universe, i'm not so sure. I think that God created the universe and let science take it's course, then created the animals. I'm not sure about the story of adam and eve, i think in one point in time it happened, but I'm not sure when. I think it doesn't matter how it happened, but that it did.
Also, there is just enough evidence to suggest there is a God, as there is to go against it. BC and AD, the world wide known time span. BC is Before Christ and AD is some greek thing which means "in the year of our lord." Both refer to the existance of God, which was created not long after Jesus lived. There's lots more too.
 
The "evidence" can only go so far. As I said many times, it is in no way 100%. They are reasonable acceptions at most, while I have an interest, you'll need more than a few bone structures to prove I was a monkey.

My biggest thing is the fact that we cannot ever be exact on what happend back then, as it was millions, or billions, or something like that, years ago. No matter how much evidence we have to support evolution, it must STILL be taken with a grain of salt.

Going back to evolution yadadada... theres also fossil evidence, modern mental ability, the presence of common genes & that it would be highly plausable how a monkeys ancestor is the same as our own. As you say we cannot be exact on how it happened, but evolutionary ideas drawn from science and empirical evidence.
If you've never studied biology, I think its fair to be sceptical. But it is a much more reasonable explanation of how life has developed compared to the writings from a 1500year old text.
This isn't directly addressed to you, but I find it somewhat hypocritical how people actively reject all belief over evolution based on it being theoretical and that there are concepts that lack evidence, and instead believe in a story which has no evidence to support it and is illogical.

Consider that the Old Testament was written when mankind had little understanding of science, a higher being was an answer for everything that could not be understood.
In terms of taking things with a grain of salt, frankly there is no reliable evidence to support creationism. If anything the prospect of the universe, being created in 6 days, 6000 years ago with all the animals in a single (now unfindable) garden from nothing seems much more unlikely (along with talking snakes, vegetarian dinosaurs, making women out of ribs etc.) Rather than a grain of salt, believing in religion requires a few bags of it.

If they were the only two human beings, when they had children, their children would have to have children with each other in order for the human race to continue. Thus, we would all have been deformed due to their DNA being too closely matched. On the other hand, some could argue that this is how evolution is explained.
Well.. Genesis 4:17, says 'Cain [Adam & Eves only living child] knew his wife' which is nice...but where did she come from? Eitherway it's accepted that incestuous relationships from 2 adults could not have lead to the variation of the world today in a 6000 year time span- matter of fact it would decrease variation.

Also, there is just enough evidence to suggest there is a God
No.. I can't really think of any... besides religious texts that contradict others...or arguments that can be used for ANY other God.

Why argue about it when nobody knows for sure if thier is God?
I think that this is just a ridiculous statement. Religion affects everyone in society. Religions insult others because they don't believe in what they think, religion has caused wars, religion can prevent scientific discovery, a religion can give someone hope, an evangelist may want to convert one person for an eternity in heaven, a extremist may want to kill others for an eternity in heaven, an atheist may want to show how religion can negatively influence life, a religious charity may want to help the poor .etc.
Religion is brainwashed into millions of people because their peers and society tell them it is true. All individuals should have the right to gain a full understanding about religion and choose it off their own accord- hence arguing over it does have a point.
 
Not getting into the debate at hand because those never seem to go well, and I've taken part in way too many in my day, so I'll just hold off on that one.

Anywho, yeah, I believe in God. I was at a time Atheist, and then Agnostic and I can just remember thinking that as an Atheist, there was nothing that anyone could ever say to change my mind, but hey, here I am. Though I don't actually follow any one church because I've found them to be too judgmental and most of them are more about money and not about the wellbeing of people. I do agree that too many people "believe" in God because it's what they're taught and told to do and not because of any sort of personal conviction.
 
Also, there is just enough evidence to suggest there is a God, as there is to go against it. BC and AD, the world wide known time span. BC is Before Christ and AD is some greek thing which means "in the year of our lord." Both refer to the existance of God, which was created not long after Jesus lived. There's lots more too.
Actually, the terms BCE and CE are becoming more and more common now, BCE standing for Before Common Era, and CE for Common Era. When I was taking Greek and Roman History a few years ago, we learned it using those terms instead of BC and AD.

Anyway, I do believe in God, but not necessarily the Jewish or Christian god. I'm not 100% sure what I believe, one of my parents is anti-Christianity and all for evolution and the such, but my other is a Christian; so as you can imagine I've grown up being told/taught many different things.
 
I Believe God because every time when I pray, it always come true every time. And I always believe what god wants us to do.
 
I honestly don't think it's right for anyone to say that God doesn't or does exist. I don't go to church so I'm just going by all we have to go on. AS FAR AS I KNOW, we have the bible and that's it.

It's a book, holy or not, it's a book. It was written by several people, fine, okay, good. But it's not enough to say that he DOES in FACT 100% exist. (Please don't be offended by that if I'm wrong about something)

And as far as the LOLNO factor, who's to say he didn't? Just as we have no real way to prove that he existed, we really don't have proof that he DIDN'T.

I myself am still torn on the whole thing so I have no opinion about it at all on the matter :<
 
AS FAR AS I KNOW, we have the bible and that's it.

It's a book, holy or not, it's a book. It was written by several people, fine, okay, good. But it's not enough to say that he DOES in FACT 100% exist. (Please don't be offended by that if I'm wrong about something)

And as far as the LOLNO factor, who's to say he didn't? Just as we have no real way to prove that he existed, we really don't have proof that he DIDN'T.

We also have the Torah, the Koran, the Vedas and so on. Each one says their God is real, others are wrong etc etc
Just because you grow up in a Christian society, doesn't mean that the Christian God is the only possibility of a higher being.
For example, a Christian may find the concept of Vishnu ridiculous and is 100% confident a Hindu has it wrong- and will burn in hell as a result, elsewhere in the world many millions of Hindus are thinking the same about you and your God.

Eitherway all religious texts are mostly made up anyway.
 
Going back to evolution yadadada... theres also fossil evidence, modern mental ability, the presence of common genes & that it would be highly plausable how a monkeys ancestor is the same as our own. As you say we cannot be exact on how it happened, but evolutionary ideas drawn from science and empirical evidence.
If you've never studied biology, I think its fair to be sceptical. But it is a much more reasonable explanation of how life has developed compared to the writings from a 1500year old text.
This isn't directly addressed to you, but I find it somewhat hypocritical how people actively reject all belief over evolution based on it being theoretical and that there are concepts that lack evidence, and instead believe in a story which has no evidence to support it and is illogical.


Consider that the Old Testament was written when mankind had little understanding of science, a higher being was an answer for everything that could not be understood.
In terms of taking things with a grain of salt, frankly there is no reliable evidence to support creationism. If anything the prospect of the universe, being created in 6 days, 6000 years ago with all the animals in a single (now unfindable) garden from nothing seems much more unlikely (along with talking snakes, vegetarian dinosaurs, making women out of ribs etc.) Rather than a grain of salt, believing in religion requires a few bags of it.
For this, as I said, I couldn't care how "reasonably sound" the information is, no matter how much evidence there is, unless you can prove, with no chances of it being wrong, I will continue to pick religion. You don't entirely understand why an indivisual like me would, but it's hard to explain exactly. In fact, ask a regular churchgoer (not the elderly, or you will get hurt. I've seen it. It's funny), they will say the same thing. Of course, I won't repeat myself the sixth time, I do enjoy studying about evolution, because, yes, it is sound. But, there is a reason I side with religion.

Well.. Genesis 4:17, says 'Cain [Adam & Eves only living child] knew his wife' which is nice...but where did she come from? Eitherway it's accepted that incestuous relationships from 2 adults could not have lead to the variation of the world today in a 6000 year time span- matter of fact it would decrease variation.
Hey, I didn't say I believed everything.

I think that this is just a ridiculous statement. Religion affects everyone in society. Religions insult others because they don't believe in what they think, religion has caused wars, religion can prevent scientific discovery, a religion can give someone hope, an evangelist may want to convert one person for an eternity in heaven, a extremist may want to kill others for an eternity in heaven, an atheist may want to show how religion can negatively influence life, a religious charity may want to help the poor .etc.
Religion is brainwashed into millions of people because their peers and society tell them it is true. All individuals should have the right to gain a full understanding about religion and choose it off their own accord- hence arguing over it does have a point.
This is true, but I disagree with the second paragragh. At least the first sentence of the second paragragh. I certainly don't feel brainwashed. I was never raised in an ongoing church family. But I liked their ideas, so I started to go. I dislike the service, because it is very boring, but I still believe in God, based on my own beliefs.

I gotta learn how to multiquote.

T_T LOLNO.

That's the most ridiculous argument I've ever heard.

Of all the hypocritical thing to do. You get mad at Jaimes, for, as you put it, "trying to prove YOUR theory wrong", then you do the same? That is his reason for believing, you have no right to call it wrong. It wasn't an argument, it was a reason for believing.
 
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We also have the Torah, the Koran, the Vedas and so on. Each one says their God is real, others are wrong etc etc
Just because you grow up in a Christian society, doesn't mean that the Christian God is the only possibility of a higher being.
For example, a Christian may find the concept of Vishnu ridiculous and is 100% confident a Hindu has it wrong- and will burn in hell as a result, elsewhere in the world many millions of Hindus are thinking the same about you and your God.

Eitherway all religious texts are mostly made up anyway.

I didn't say that the bible was the only right one, I said I thought it was the only one. But saying that all Christians think that is horribly stereotypical. As you said, most religious text are made up.

Other religions have different opinions on it, which is understandable, they can believe what they wanna think. I liked Ghandi sorta. Because Ghandi said this:

I like your Christ, I do not like your Christians. Your Christians are so unlike your Christ.
I have no idea why I admire him for this, maybe it's because he had the courage to SAY it >>'
 
T_T LOLNO.

That's the most ridiculous argument I've ever heard.
I gotta learn how to multiquote.



Of all the hypocritical thing to do. You get mad at Jaimes, for, as you put it, "trying to prove YOUR theory wrong", then you do the same? That is his reason for believing, you have no right to call it wrong. It wasn't an argument, it was a reason for believing.


Just a gentle reminder that everybody is entitled to their own opinions; there's no need to get upset or angry.
 
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Sorry, but that was just so rude to get mad at someone being "adamant" at trying to disprove him (with logic), then do the exact same thing he got mad at. If others can't do it, what gives him the right?

Still, this whole "God vs Evolution" doesn't really make all too much sense. Despite being two polar oppisites, I really don't get where Jaimes said "religion prevents scientific exploration". That made little sense to me.
 
... Not another one of these threads?

I like how Dark Magician put it in his first post in some past thread that followed the same lines this one. "Some people out there might believe that the universe was created by flying dogs". <-- Now I don't think I remembered it word for word. But the idea there (or at least i think, haha) is that no one here can prove that their belief is the correct one. No religion out there (religion being your system of belief, thus science is a religion) is necessarily wrong, nor right. I personally just avoid God-believing religions (polytheistic and monotheistic) in general. Personally what I believe in is the big bang theory, however someone else mentioned that "Well how did it start then?". Thats where probably both science and some-form of another being come together - the being created the entity of the big bang, and the big bang did the rest, and we are now here. For all we know, the Christian god could be the real one, and has somehow managed to full us.. or something.

I wouldn't mind continuing right now, but I am not 'in' this debate right now. Just not really focused and motivated to continue right now. Plus, I have to study for exams ._.

"Still, this whole "God vs Evolution" doesn't really make all too much sense. Despite being two polar oppisites, I really don't get where Jaimes said "religion prevents scientific exploration". That made little sense to me." - Sims

I didn't read the other posts yet, but from what I just read in that little blurb, he might be poiting to the idea that in the Dark Ages, the ROman Catholic church wouldn't allow anyone or anything speak out against them, thus preventing people from inventing new things or coming up with new ideas or theories, thus preventing the growth of science. For example the idea of the Universe revolving around the Earth had to be accepted by everyone, but someone (before Galileo, i think Koppernicus, or Cornleius? Something like that...) came up with the idea that the Universe does NOT revolve around the earth, but rather the sun. Which is more accurate than the Roman Catholic's beliefs.

I was going somewhere with that last paragraph... but I forget.. so yeah. Have fun with that little bit of crap I had to say. =/
 
Ah, thank you. I was rolling back & forth, because I literally didn't know what he meant by that.
 
Just a gentle reminder that everybody is entitled to their own opinions; there's no need to get upset or angry. :3

Very true, but there is absolutely no way that praying gives him everything he asks for. Unless he has a direct link to God, which I really doubt, because he'd have something more to do with that gift than share it on a Pokemon Forum. >_>
 
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