Dragon Claw(Rant

[Ham]

then tell me this: why, in my year on netbattle, have I never seen ANY charizard, much less bellyzard, KO more than 1 pokemon in one battle?

 

[Mullet]

belly drum still works. the complaint with bellyzard is it's too fragile, but nothing timing can't help. sub+belly is also a great alternative(nothing like activating salac berries). we all know which pokemon love to use status effects, so sub the turn they try to set status, belly, and then sweep(there are many other instances to set up bellydrum, it shouldn't even be a question really). earthquake and hp fly work wonderfully together. if DD mence and gyrados are still being used, so can belly zard. :/ i mean i tried it just a couple days ago, it still works fine....

Sorry to burst your bubble but Rock Blast=dead Zard. So Sub won't help!:\

 

[c_dog]

then tell me this: why, in my year on netbattle, have I never seen ANY charizard, much less bellyzard, KO more than 1 pokemon in one battle?

because you only challenge newbies? my charizard has sweeped more than its fair share of pokemon.

Sorry to burst your bubble but Rock Blast=dead Zard. So Sub won't help!

and which of the OU's actually use rockblast? :/ and you'd be an idiot if you didn't switch when you see a pokemon likely to use rockblast to break your sub. fact is bellyzards can still be set up more often than not.

 

[Synchronize]

for the love of god, someone close this topic. It's pointless. Salamence = good. Charizard = good/decent, depending on who's using it. Salamence > Charizard. Both have counters. Let's just leave it at that.

 

[Espy Psyche]

This does need shut down. Besides, the original topic was D Claw. So lets forget Sala and Char and go back to discussing D Claw.

 

[Mullet]

because you only challenge newbies? my charizard has sweeped more than its fair share of pokemon.


and which of the OU's actually use rockblast? :/ and you'd be an idiot if you didn't switch when you see a pokemon likely to use rockblast to break your sub. fact is bellyzards can still be set up more often than not.

You just said something totally dumb. You said whick of the OUs actually use Rock Blast, and then you said if you see one likely then switch, your not going to expect it if an OU has it.

Plus you Sub I break it, then you Belly, then I kill Zard, lol.:P

 

[Pax Deorum]

Suicune can also come equipped with IB and OHKO Mence. So Suicune makes Mence lesser as well.

No one keeps a Salamence against a Suicune packing an Ice Beam unles you hit him hard on the switch

and which of the OU's actually use rockblast? :/ and you'd be an idiot if you didn't switch when you see a pokemon likely to use rockblast to break your sub. fact is bellyzards can still be set up more often than not.

Rhydon, Golem, Armaldo. Rhydon is quite common in OU nowadays

belly drum still works. the complaint with bellyzard is it's too fragile, but nothing timing can't help. sub+belly is also a great alternative(nothing like activating salac berries). we all know which pokemon love to use status effects, so sub the turn they try to set status, belly, and then sweep(there are many other instances to set up bellydrum, it shouldn't even be a question really). earthquake and hp fly work wonderfully together. if DD mence and gyrados are still being used, so can belly zard. :/ i mean i tried it just a couple days ago, it still works fine....

No one lets Charizard get a Belly Drum in, unless you switch in a CB Earthquake, good luck getting Belly Drum in, even if you get in on the switch, they can switch to something faster than Carizard to kill him in one hit. No one uses Status Effects on pokemon that onciously have Substitute unless you predict well.

No one uses DD Mence for the same reason people don't use Bellyzard, they are too fragile. Gyardos can DD because he has a cool Special Defence and Intimidate, letting him get hurt less when he switches in.

In conclusion, only people from Groudon Forums and Mullet (Hi Mullet :)) know what they are talking about

 

[Dunsparce]

You forgot about Altaria. It is a Dragon Type AND it can learn Dragon Claw.

 

[Pax Deorum]

Dragon Claw is really only used on Altaria, but Altaria was never meant too damage much anyway. Dragon Claw may be usefull ingame, but n NB it fails, since all Dragons except Kingdra are 4x weak to Ice, thus HP Ice is better

 

[Ham]

because you only challenge newbies? my charizard has sweeped more than its fair share of pokemon.

it's becuase YOU only chalange newbs.

BTW, cool people say newbs.

and which of the OU's actually use rockblast? :/

Rhydon.

and you'd be an idiot if you didn't switch when you see a pokemon likely to use rockblast to break your sub.

and make you lose 25% HP and prevent Belly Drum.

fact is bellyzards can still be set up more often than not.

then explain why I have never seen it set up ONCE, never had any solid proof that it was set up and swept someone who doesn't use things like Shock Wave Mewtwo ONCE, and never even had to worry about it ONCE?

 

[c_dog]

You just said something totally dumb. You said whick of the OUs actually use Rock Blast, and then you said if you see one likely then switch, your not going to expect it if an OU has it.

what??? Rhydon, Golem, Armaldo are the pokemon likely to use rockblast, it's true. blissey, skarm, salamence, jolteon, starmie, ttar, metagross, militic, some of the most OU's of OU's do not have rockblast. heck when i was testing the belly zard i ran into ONE pokemon who had rockblast(rhydon) who tried to use it against my zard. switching does it. the wasted turn doesn't matter anyway, zard can just belly the next time it gets the chance. as long as it activates salac and gets belly, that's all it needs. there was nothing dumb about my post.

Plus you Sub I break it, then you Belly, then I kill Zard, lol.

:P

who's the dumb one now? i've already stated from the very first time i posted the belly zard set that bellydrum should only be used at the opportune moments. the moments are easily calculated if you know what you're doing(rest, aromatherapy, recovery, status on sub, switch, CM, curse, etc etc). sub works against OU's without rockblast as you can sub(calculated), then activate salac with belly drum the next turn when they break your sub. it's not that complicated.

for the love of god, someone close this topic. It's pointless. Salamence = good. Charizard = good/decent, depending on who's using it. Salamence > Charizard. Both have counters. Let's just leave it at that.

i second this. i just want to make sure people know that charizard isn't garbage like certain people make him out to be.

 

[Ham]

what??? Rhydon, Golem, Armaldo are the pokemon likely to use rockblast, it's true. blissey, skarm, salamence, jolteon, starmie, ttar, metagross, militic, some of the most OU's of OU's do not have rockblast. heck when i was testing the belly zard i ran into ONE pokemon who had rockblast(rhydon) who tried to use it against my zard. switching does it. the wasted turn doesn't matter anyway, zard can just belly the next time it gets the chance. as long as it activates salac and gets belly, that's all it needs. there was nothing dumb about my post.

hey! Earth is a planet!

what you said is as obvious as that :/

who's the dumb one now?

well, you still haven't proved **** and are going on about a strategy that obviously doesn't work becuase it never is used anymore. people will use things that are good, and they ain't using Charizard.

i've already stated from the very first time i posted the belly zard set that bellydrum should only be used at the opportune moments. the moments are easily calculated if you know what you're doing(rest, aromatherapy, recovery, status on sub, switch, CM, curse, etc etc). sub works against OU's without rockblast as you can sub(calculated), then activate salac with belly drum the next turn when they break your sub. it's not that complicated.

i second this. i just want to make sure people know that charizard isn't garbage like certain people make him out to be.

blah blah blah dammit can't you come up with new ****? you've already posted this **** but with different wording.

BTW, I'm going to have to use a Belly Zard my ****ing self if it would get you to shut up.

P.S. what happened to the argument about it being = Salamence? now, you are arguing that it has ANY quality. I guess I won both the 'Sala>Zard'
and the 'Sala=/=Zard but Sala>Zard' arguments :)

P.P.S. IM IN UR BASE

P.P.P.S IM KILLIN UR DOODS!

 

[c_dog]

Rhydon.



and make you lose 25% HP and prevent Belly Drum.


then explain why I have never seen it set up ONCE, never had any solid proof that it was set up and swept someone who doesn't use things like Shock Wave Mewtwo ONCE, and never even had to worry about it ONCE?

yes, rhydon and it's not even that OU. if you do see a rhydon then yeah, switch, i'll take my chances though since it's not even that common. as i've stated i saw only one the entire time i was testing belly.

the 25% hp isn't wasted. as long as it activates salac after belly drum on the next turn. belly drum will just have to wait til next time.

not once? i got it set up more often than not when i was testing it out.. :S like i said, it still works(though i'm semi disappointed in its power as it had problems OHKO'ing suicine...).

and maybe i do challenge noobs.. i mean if husk and torkoal are noobs then yeah, i fight noobs. i challenge people on smogon server, and those who challenge me, so maybe it's just my dumb luck if it happens that everyone i've battled have been noobs.

 

[c_dog]

hey! Earth is a planet!

what you said is as obvious as that :/



well, you still haven't proved **** and are going on about a strategy that obviously doesn't work becuase it never is used anymore. people will use things that are good, and they ain't using Charizard.



blah blah blah dammit can't you come up with new ****? you've already posted this **** but with different wording.

BTW, I'm going to have to use a Belly Zard my ****ing self if it would get you to shut up.

P.S. what happened to the argument about it being = Salamence? now, you are arguing that it has ANY quality. I guess I won both the 'Sala>Zard'
and the 'Sala=/=Zard but Sala>Zard' arguments :)

P.P.S. IM IN UR BASE

P.P.P.S IM KILLIN UR DOODS!

i'd reply point for point, but all of it would be just a waste of time for this reason: u need to learn to read the post. everything i said have been a direct response to the quotes i quoted. it's not what i say but the context to which my posts apply to. if you never understand this then no matter how many times i post certains things you'll never get it. that's why replying to you is often just a waste of time because you just dont' understand the basis of applying things in context.

 

[Pax Deorum]

U need to stop talking like this, Torkoal_7 is waaaaay up your level, they would never get a Charzard het a Belly Drum without killing him first.

What Ham has been saying is you need to stop using the same arguements that have already been proved wrong. Charizard cannot beat Salamence in power, versatility and usabilty. Charizard can't kill anything without dieing the next turn, at least Salamence hits harder AND faster, reason why CB Mence dominates, I'd like to see Charizard doing that without getting a Belly Drum and Salac in before dieing the next turn

 

[Ham]

i'd reply point for point, but all of it would be just a waste of time for this reason: u need to learn to read the post.

I would, but then I realized that I could read a post of yours 2 pages ago and see the same points.

everything i said have been a direct response to the quotes i quoted. it's not what i say but the context to which my posts apply to.

so... you're trying to confuse me into submission by using fancy language instead of actually arguing? what a great man you are, C_dog.

BTW, my brother says you aren't actually saying anything in particular, and he's in AP English 3

if you never understand this then no matter how many times i post certains things you'll never get it.

n00bish sentaments are something I don't want to get.

that's why replying to you is often just a waste of time because you just dont' understand the basis of applying things in context.

so... you give up, huh?

 

[c_dog]

U need to stop talking like this, Torkoal_7 is waaaaay up your level, they would never get a Charzard het a Belly Drum without killing him first.

What Ham has been saying is you need to stop using the same arguements that have already been proved wrong. Charizard cannot beat Salamence in power, versatility and usabilty. Charizard can't kill anything without dieing the next turn, at least Salamence hits harder AND faster, reason why CB Mence dominates, I'd like to see Charizard doing that without getting a Belly Drum and Salac in before dieing the next turn

everything you said have been answered in earlier pages. and no, none of my arguments have been proved wrong. charizard is faster than salamence because most salamence spreads its ev's in sp.att and whatnot, and even the fastest of all salamence is only as fast as charizard, not faster. usually a salamence is slower. and versatility, i just said charizard has more movesets at its disposal, making it more unpredictable and versatile. and belly and salac work w/o charizard dieing, it's not that hard.

and for what it's worth, i've beaten torkoal before, and usually with my half NU and half OU team of pikachu, blastoise, venasaur, charizard, heracross, and snorlax. so much for being levels ahead of me. husk is actually the best battler in these boards and even he has lost to my ash team... twice in a row. :S

so... you're trying to confuse me into submission by using fancy language instead of actually arguing? what a great man you are, C_dog.

BTW, my brother says you aren't actually saying anything in particular, and he's in AP Englis

er, it's not fancy language. it's simple. all my replies have to direct response to the quotes i quoted. it's that simple. so if you just read the quote that i quoted, then read my response, then everything should make sense.

it's like how you'd say "salamence is better than zard @ DD" then "belly drum fails" then "typholsion>zard at special sweep" when i was listing charizard's different movesets, trying to make the point that he's versatile. yeah, his movesets may be outdone by one pokemon or another, but the point is he can do all sets with enough effectiveness, making him a versatile pokemon. unpredictability is a big plus in pokemon battle. it makes the opponent much tougher to make a move.

and the quote doesn't mean anything to your brother because your brother hasn't been following this thread. :/ like i said, i was not trying to be fancy.

 

[Synchronize]

rofl. Trying to make us seem inferior to try and prove something false. I gave up reading his posts as well, but only cuz i kept seeing some of the same pointless things, as well as his flip flopping issue on the Sala vs. Char thing. Don't deny it, you at first said that Charizard was better than sala. Then you said it's just as useful. Then you agreed with us that Sala > Char, but trying to make a point as to try and lead us back to your first opinion.


How the hell is all this off main topic pointlessness not deleted/closed yet?

 

[c_dog]

rofl. Trying to make us seem inferior to try and prove something false. I gave up reading his posts as well, but only cuz i kept seeing some of the same pointless things, as well as his flip flopping issue on the Sala vs. Char thing. Don't deny it, you at first said that Charizard was better than sala. Then you said it's just as useful. Then you agreed with us that Sala > Char, but trying to make a point as to try and lead us back to your first opinion.


How the hell is all this off main topic pointlessness not deleted/closed yet?

i dare you to find a quote where i said charizard >>>> salamence. find it. i did say charizard can beat salamence one on one, which is true in certain situations, but find me a quote where i said charizard is better than mence. find it.

i've already replied to you anyway. and yea, charizard is also a very useful pokemon, arguably just as useful as salamence, very underrated. the fact is i admitted i forgot that salamence does have the intimidate factor going for him, giving him an edge(i can find the quote for ya if you want, where i admitted it), so with that i do agree that salamence is the better pokemon, but that doesn't change the fact that charizard is still very very good with the versatility factor going for him.

 

[Pax Deorum]

Salamence vs pokemon
You send out Charizard
Salamence used Rock Slide
Charizard fainted

Salamence vs Charizard
Charizard used attack (X% damage)
Salamence used Rock Slide (100% damage)
Charizard fainted

Possible Salamence Movesets

Salamence@Choice Band
-Earthquake
-HP Flying
-Rock Slide
-Brick Break/Fire Blast

Salamence@Leftovers
-Dragon Dance
-Earthquake
-HP Flying
-Rock Slide

Salamence@Leftovers
-Hydro Pump
-Fire Blast
-Crunch
-HP Ice/Dragon Claw

All of these kill Charizard 1 on 1, the first two kill him in with Rock Slide, the last one with Hydro Pump.

Damage a Charizard can do to an no HP/no Sp. Defence EVs Salamence with Dragon Claw and an activated Petaya Berry

Minimum Damage 84%
Average Damage 92%
Maximum Damage 99%

Salamence uses Rock Slide and it's obviously a OHKO