Dragonite still rules (First Competitive Team)

[Sun Araw]

Forretress@Shed Shell Ability: Sturdy
Relaxed
252 HP / 112 Atk / 144 Def
Toxic Spikes
Gyro Ball
Rapid Spin
Explosion

Standard rapid spinner Forretress, used to get rid of Stealth Rock, which my Dragonite won't like, and lay down Toxic Spikes to annoy my opponent to heck and back.


Dragonite@Life Orb Ability: Inner Focus
Jolly
4 HP / 252 Atk / 252 Spe
Dragon Dance
Outrage
Firepunch
Earthquake

I know salamence is better, but Dragonite is a favorite of mine (and I'm sure he's a favorite of many others too!). I've seen this moveset work pretty well with other people. Firepunch is to take care of Skarmory, Bronzong etc after a DD or two.


Scizor@Life Orb Ability: Technician
Adamant
32 HP / 252 Atk / 224 Spe
Swords Dance
Bullet Punch
Superpower
U-Turn


Physical Sweeper...I'd use this to Bullet Punch any Tyranitars that stand in my way.



Dusknoir@leftovers Ability: Pressure
Impish
252 HP / 252 Def / 6 SpD
Will-O-Wisp
Fire Punch
ThunderPunch
Pain Split

Special Wall and WOW-er. Also a good way to prevent spike removal! Rest is too risky, so Pain Split will have to do as far as healing goes.


Porygon2@leftovers Ability: Trace
Bold
252 HP / 216 Def / 40 SpA
Discharge
Ice Beam
Recover
Magic Coat

As you may know, this little guy makes an awesome counter for the major offensive threats in the OU. Trace is an awesome ability and it will copy Salamence or Gyarados' Intimidate and using its decent defenses, it will be able to take some hits. Magic Coat is a bunch of fun to use, so I chose it over Twave.



Alakazam@leftovers Ability: Synchronize
Timid
152 HP / 176 SpD / 180 Spe
Substitute
Calm Mind
Focus Blast
Psychic

You know the deal. Sub and Calm Mind as much as possible, then BAM Psychic or Focus Blast combined with Ally's huge Special Attack will take out plenty of Pokemon.

I was thinking of using Dugtrio on this team, but I figured Porygon2 would help more with Salamence.

 

[Pokedra]

I know you like Dragonite better but the set your using Mence outclasses it in every way. I mean honestly, running Jolly loses alot of power and Mence still has more Speed even if he's running a neutral nature =/

Blissey makes a much better special wall then Dusknoir and Rapid Spin is only on stall now =/

I'll drop by for a proper rate later I'm short on time -.-

 

[J-Rad]

Actauly I don't believe mence outclasses Dnite at all. Offensivley yes, but dnite is bulkier and can add support to a team. Dnite also gets Super Power which OHKO's Blissey, TTar, and Heatran. Mence can't do that with Brick Break.

 

[Chaostorm]

Actauly I don't believe mence outclasses Dnite at all. Offensivley yes, but dnite is bulkier and can add support to a team. Dnite also gets Super Power which OHKO's Blissey, TTar, and Heatran. Mence can't do that with Brick Break.

Well Mence can OHKO Blissey with DD LO Outrage. it Can Own Heatran with Earthquake even if the LO and DD isnt with Mence. and Actually . Mence can still beat down TTar with Brick Break since TTar has an x4 Fighting Weakness. 75 x 4 = 280.

Although Dnite has a Good base 80 Def and a Nice Base 100 SpD , but since this Dnite is A Sweeper. I dont think it is as good as Mence.

 

[Sun Araw]

I knew fully well that mence outclassed my Dnite set, as stated in the original post. What should I change to optimize Dnite's potential then?

 

[Syaoran]

Try the agility version of Dragonite, it can work as a wallbreaker and still outspeed scarfers that try to revenge you.

Lonely Dragonite @ Life Orb - 84 Atk / 220 Sp.A / 204 Speed
Agility
Draco Meteor
Outrage
Thunderbolt / Fire Blast / Earthquake

I would probably go for Fire Blast so Skarmory doesn't walk all over you, and the ability to hurt Bronzong.

 

[Dark Azelf]

Comments in bold. ^_____^

But why would you want your Scizor to lose to cress and like slowbro ? ....lol. U-Turn also does the same thing as shed shell (aka magnezone) and allows you to scout your counters and then sweep later game with Bullet Punch, because Stealth Rock and U-Turn >>> most of its counters. That set he currently has is fine.


Anyways, please dont use DDNite ever. Use mence if you are going to because its outclasses Nite 100% of the time at DDing, its bulk doesnt mean much either because Mence has intimidate anyway thus can switch in alot easier. There is no reason to NOT use Mence over Nite. "Its a favourite" really isnt a valid option when its outclassed at doing something. Its like use Entei over Heatran...lol. Use a set that makes it not outclassed by Mence, aka Sya's set or Mix Nite : -

Dragonite@life Orb
112 Atk / 200 SpA / 196 Speed
Mild Nature
- Draco Meteor
- SuperPower
- Fire Blast
- Roost

OHKO's Blissey and Tran, something Mixmence cant do.

I also dont know why Light Screen nite is even on the smogon analysis because its literally Pursuit weak. =/


In addition i really dont see what T-Spikes is doing for this team. Stealth Rock would be better as it opens up Scizor sweeps much easier because it hits its common checks e.g Gyara, Zappy and allows you to OHKO Mence with a SD LO BP. Speaking of which forrys role is questionable, one SR weak poke really doesnt warrant a spinner and forry is also a terrible lead. Every single top ten lead beats it just about. So yeah id put something more useful over forry.

 

[Sun Araw]

Hmm well what would you suggest in place of Forretress? Also I suppose I'll use MixNite then, thanks for the suggestions.