DS vs PSP?

[Scyther5]

The DS is alright, I have both the PSP and DS and the PSP is deffentally alot better. Im not saying the DS is bad, there just arnt many great games for it, and to tell you the truth I haven't played mine in over a month. And from what I've seen alot of people stick up for the DS because they used all their money on it and can't get a PSP now. :P


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The oldest game that I know of for the N64 came out: September 26, 1996

Regarding that quote Arcanine the last n64 game that came out was in may 2001.

 

[Brittany]

i have not played either yet (my DS is upstairs waiting for my birthday to roll around) but from what ive read on both systems im leaning towards the DS. I just thought it was typical of sony to produce a gaming system that has other features such as music and movies just so it will sell more, unlike nintendo who's consoles home and portable are completly dedicated to games, don't sony have any confidence in there games?

The PSP boasts good graphics but the DS can match it with games like Metroid Prime: Hunters which looks to have the best graphics on the DS. Like i said before i can't make a real judgment untill i have played both but they are both still relativly new so lets wait for future releases on both systems.

Sorry to burst your bubble, but Metroid Prime: Hunters can't begin to match the graphics of average PSP games, muchless it's graphic-god, GT4: Mobile.

You don't need to wait for a future release to realize what each system is capable of- the fact stands that DS can't pump out as much graphic-wise as the PSP can. Infact, that's almost never used as a basis for an argument in this debate, it's always DS's innovation vs PSP's brute power. Choose whichever to stand by, but it's silly to list a point you can't prove after the systems are released o.O

 

[Yami_Zidane]

but even if the a game has the best graphics ever on a handheld that isnt automaticly going to make it the best game ever is it?

 

[Dark Penguin]

There are a few more movies then Spider Man 2.
"National Treasure", "Pirates Of Caribbean", "Kill Bill, Vol 1", "Are We There Yet?", "Hero", "Hitch", "Charlie's Angels", "Reign Of Fire", "Anacondas: The Hunt For The Blood Orchid", "Daddy Day Care", "You Got Served", "The Grudge", "Hollow Man", "XXX", "Hellboy", "Once Upon a Time in Mexico", "Resident Evil: Apocalypse"
And that's just for right now, more movies will come out when they come out on DVD/VHS.

and i have yet to find a store that has any of those. They may have them out, but its definately not at universal locations. And like i said, why would movie companies make more when that would just be throwing away money? The cost and effort required to make those is not worth what the profit will be.

 

[Arcanine]

Regarding that quote Arcanine the last n64 game that came out was in may 2001.

I said oldest N64 game. As in Super Mario 64, one of the starting games for the N64.

and i have yet to find a store that has any of those. They may have them out, but its definately not at universal locations. And like i said, why would movie companies make more when that would just be throwing away money? The cost and effort required to make those is not worth what the profit will be.

My stores got KH: CoM like 3 days after it came out, and that was for the GBA.
Them movies are out for the PSP. You said "but WHAT movies?" I gave you a list of movies. And now you say the movies are not out everywhere. A Wal-Mart close to me has N64 games (few but they still have them). Another Wal-Mart about 20 mins away doesn't have any N64 games. Not every store has the same stuff. You will most likely never find all them movies in one places. But never the less they are out.

How could they be throwing away their money? They had National Treasure, XXX, Kill Bill, Hero and a few others at my Wal-Mart. They had around 25-30 boxes of each movie. I came back a week or so later and they were all gone or only 2 or 3 left. You add it up, at 20 dollars a movie and see if they throwed their money away (and that's just one store).
No there isn't going to be more UMD disks of movies then DVDs. But there will be people that will buy a movie for their PSP.

 

[Casual Billy]

Yes, I have also seen almost all of those movies at my Wal Mart.

So it won't last you on road trips, and you can play the same games on a 32 inch screen, so why bother spending the extra $100? Thats just my opinion, anyway.

Well, on road trips, you?re probably going to be in a car. If you go on road trips often, then you?d want to invest in a $10 DC adapter for either system anyway. That solves the battery problem in the car. But for me, 5:30 hours is usually enough time.

Plus, i like the DS's two screens (it really does become one giant screen, people just won't admit it),

Yeah, with about a half inch in between it. That doesn?t qualify as one big screen. And even if it did, DS?s resolution still falls short of PSP?s. (PSP ? 130,560 pixels on one screen, DS ? 49,152 pixels on one screen.)

 

[Dark Penguin]

Them movies are out for the PSP. You said "but WHAT movies?" I gave you a list of movies. And now you say the movies are not out everywhere. A Wal-Mart close to me has N64 games (few but they still have them). Another Wal-Mart about 20 mins away doesn't have any N64 games. Not every store has the same stuff. You will most likely never find all them movies in one places. But never the less they are out.

How could they be throwing away their money? They had National Treasure, XXX, Kill Bill, Hero and a few others at my Wal-Mart. They had around 25-30 boxes of each movie. I came back a week or so later and they were all gone or only 2 or 3 left. You add it up, at 20 dollars a movie and see if they throwed their money away (and that's just one store).
No there isn't going to be more UMD disks of movies then DVDs. But there will be people that will buy a movie for their PSP.

To make PSP movies, they have to buy a totally different disk than DVDs, in which there is a lower supply. Not only that, but they also don't have deals made for those disks, since Sony is the only [official] producer. These movie companies have deals where they get DVDs dirt cheap. Therefore, it costs MUCH less to make a DVD than a PSP movie. So why go out of your way, pay more for a smaller disk, and reproduce your movies onto this disk which is more expensive, and end up targeting a MUCH smaller market. Hmmm.................something just doesn't add up. Thats why not many movie companies have committed. However, while looking this up i also found that Sony is developing something where you can download PSP movies over the internet. Now that seems much more profitable, and much cooler. Of course there are some minor problems, such as bandwith and download speed, but that is a really cool idea by Sony and I'm sure it will work out great with the PSP - after all, I'm not against it, i just find the features not as useful for the money you pay - but thats just me.


Andb billy, you said that the two DS screens don't count as one big screen - well, your wrong. During the Metroid Prime demo, it uses both screens to create one giant movie - and it works great. What your eyes do, is take the two images and send them to your brain, which puts them both together and makes one giant image - ask anyone who has seen that movie. And do you even have a DS - if not, then thats why. You have to see it to believe it (its how eyeglasses work - they have a space between, but you don't see it, though it is a little different, its the same concept.) And no duh the resolution isn't as good, thats a given. Its like saying that the DS has a touch screen and the PSP doesn't - its quite evident.

 

[Casual Billy]

And do you even have a DS - if not, then thats why. You have to see it to believe it

No, but I've seen and played the Metroid demo on my friend's DS. They might be using it as one screen, but the gap is still noticeable(sp?) in my opinion.

its how eyeglasses work - they have a space between, but you don't see it, though it is a little different, its the same concept.

Not the same. With eyeglasses the lens is right over your eye, right up on it. Maybe it'd be the same if you held your DS up to your face. But then how would you control the touch screen? Yeah, DS's two screens do not make an effective single screen. They just don't. And I brought up resolution because it seemed relevent at the time. It seemed like you were using the fact that DS's two screens can be USED as one screen (ineffectively IMO), to make the dual screen concept seem more credible while simultaneously givING DS screen capability comparable to PSP.

 

[Dark Penguin]

Then you should've played your friends demo a little longer, if you even did. Maybe it does take some getting used to, but once you do it DOES make an EFFECTIVE single screen. Trust me - i OWN one. The dual screen concept is very credible - thats why Nintendo has sold over 5 million units. And screen size has nothing to do with resolution, so no, it wasn't relevent.

 

[John Denver]

"National Treasure", "Pirates Of Caribbean", "Kill Bill, Vol 1", "Are We There Yet?", "Hero", "Hitch", "Charlie's Angels", "Reign Of Fire", "Anacondas: The Hunt For The Blood Orchid", "Daddy Day Care", "You Got Served", "The Grudge", "Hollow Man", "XXX", "Hellboy", "Once Upon a Time in Mexico", "Resident Evil: Apocalypse"
And that's just for right now, more movies will come out when they come out on DVD/VHS.

And I'm sure every PSP owner will be rushing to buy uuber cool movies like "You got served" and "Charlies Angels" >_>

The PSP movie library is small to say the least...and if I were to buy a PSP, it would definately be for the games...And seeing as both the portables games feign me no interest at all, I'm gonna stay indifferent for now...

But if a Zelda game ever came out on DS O_O

 

[Pogiforce-14]

They more than likely will. At any rate, I myself am anxiously awaiting Final Fantasy Crystal Chronicles DS, and Animal Crossing DS.

BEtween the DS and the PSP, I vote the DS. True, the PSP may have better screen resolution, i wouldn't know,and true, teh PSP may be able to play movies and music, but think about that for a minute.

At this point, Portable DVD players are easy enough to pick up, and as usual, can play music as well. what makes them better in those qualities is that they don't require new media. I don't know about you, but I'd rather take my POkemon DVD and just pop it into teh player instead of hunting and hoping PSP has made a mini version of it. As for music, MP3 players and Cd players would still be the prefered medium. For the exact same reason: They don't want to have to invest in a new medium. So in terms of gaming, PSP's added functions are purely superficial.

The DS added functions, however, add to teh gameplay. The touchscreen has proven itself to be quite an exhilerating function, plus when you have menus to scroll through, it tends to be easier to just push it than having to move a cursor over it first.

Which is why my vote would go to the DS. In terms of being a marketable game system, I believe DS wins.

 

[Casual Billy]

And screen size has nothing to do with resolution, so no, it wasn't relevent.

Yes it does. For example, a 32 inch television with 130,560 pixels would look like crap. On a 4.3 inch screen though, it's almost HD quality. More pixels per square inch. See?

 

[Arcanine]

To make PSP movies, they have to buy a totally different disk than DVDs, in which there is a lower supply. Not only that, but they also don't have deals made for those disks, since Sony is the only [official] producer. These movie companies have deals where they get DVDs dirt cheap. Therefore, it costs MUCH less to make a DVD than a PSP movie. So why go out of your way, pay more for a smaller disk, and reproduce your movies onto this disk which is more expensive, and end up targeting a MUCH smaller market. Hmmm.................something just doesn't add up. Thats why not many movie companies have committed. However, while looking this up i also found that Sony is developing something where you can download PSP movies over the internet. Now that seems much more profitable, and much cooler. Of course there are some minor problems, such as bandwith and download speed, but that is a really cool idea by Sony and I'm sure it will work out great with the PSP - after all, I'm not against it, i just find the features not as useful for the money you pay - but thats just me.

If they want to spend money to make the movies on a UMD disk then they can. They will have a good many people buy the movies on their PSP.

And I'm sure every PSP owner will be rushing to buy uuber cool movies like "You got served" and "Charlies Angels" >_>

I posted the movies, I didn't say they were all good. XD

 

[Pogiforce-14]

I seriously doubt people will buy these movies. As I said, people would rather buy a real movie than a diskett version, especially since the library is limited compared to all the cheap DVDs out for these same movies on actual DVD players. Plus, the portable DVD players have larger screens, so you can better enjoy the movie. no sense going out of your way for a movie that will have a resolution hardly any better than GBA Video.

 

[TRIFORCE89]

I seriously doubt people will buy these movies. As I said, people would rather buy a real movie than a diskett version, especially since the library is limited compared to all the cheap DVDs out for these same movies on actual DVD players. Plus, the portable DVD players have larger screens, so you can better enjoy the movie. no sense going out of your way for a movie that will have a resolution hardly any better than GBA Video.

I love Nintendo, very much (played the PSP again today. Still wasn't impressed and left it to play WarioWare: Touched!), but I'm going to have to correct you.

A UMD movie looks much much much better than GBA Video will ever look (are they even continuing it?) But I agree, with your other points. The PSP has superior resolution compared to the GBA.

 

[Pogiforce-14]

But still, it isn't superior to a portable DVD player. That was my point.

 

[Arcanine]

But still, it isn't superior to a portable DVD player. That was my point.

A portable DVD player can't download movies. A portable DVD player can't download songs. A portable DVD player can't play games. You can't take a portable DVD player with you and listen to music while riding a bike. A portable DVD player does have a larger screen, but that's about it.

 

[Brittany]

And I'm sure every PSP owner will be rushing to buy uuber cool movies like "You got served" and "Charlies Angels" >_>

The PSP movie library is small to say the least...and if I were to buy a PSP, it would definately be for the games...And seeing as both the portables games feign me no interest at all, I'm gonna stay indifferent for now...

But if a Zelda game ever came out on DS O_O

Oh come on Dakota =P
It's a start, and atleast it leaves the option out there...

At this point, Portable DVD players are easy enough to pick up, and as usual, can play music as well. what makes them better in those qualities is that they don't require new media. I don't know about you, but I'd rather take my POkemon DVD and just pop it into teh player instead of hunting and hoping PSP has made a mini version of it. As for music, MP3 players and Cd players would still be the prefered medium. For the exact same reason: They don't want to have to invest in a new medium. So in terms of gaming, PSP's added functions are purely superficial.

The DS added functions, however, add to teh gameplay. The touchscreen has proven itself to be quite an exhilerating function, plus when you have menus to scroll through, it tends to be easier to just push it than having to move a cursor over it first.

Which is why my vote would go to the DS. In terms of being a marketable game system, I believe DS wins.

The functions aren't 'purely superficial'. They serve the function just as any other device would, just optomized for the PSP's screen size and resolution. A mini DVD player is larger than a PSP, and means another device to bring around. Bring around that DS -and- a mini DVD player? Most mini DVD players don't have a harddrive or memory cards to put music on either, which means you would be stuck carrying an mp3 or CD player too!
Add a PDA for internet access and a word processor... I don't think I have that many pockets O.o

I seriously doubt people will buy these movies. As I said, people would rather buy a real movie than a diskett version, especially since the library is limited compared to all the cheap DVDs out for these same movies on actual DVD players. Plus, the portable DVD players have larger screens, so you can better enjoy the movie. no sense going out of your way for a movie that will have a resolution hardly any better than GBA Video.

Regardless, it still leaves the option out there. 1.8GB is far more than GBA's media too, meaning you could put multiple episodes of a show on a disc too, with much better resolution, a larger screen size, and better sound quality. I guess with DS you could run two different episodes of a show on each screen at once though =P

And for everyone here- DVDs aren't optomized for portable DVD players! It will never look as good on a mini DVD screen as it was first meant to be watched on.

 

[Dark Penguin]

If you have enough time to watch a movie on your PSP, your most likely gonna be traveling long distances, so you mayaswell bring ur portable DVD player, mp3 player, and DS. That way you can watch your entire DVD section, not the 2 UMD disks you have. Plus, i always use my mp3 player and my DS - mp3 players are very small (esp. mine). Not that big a deal. And no it won't look as good on a portable DVD player as opposed to a big screen, but it'll sure look a lot better than on the PSP.

And finally, billy, we were talking about screen SIZE, which has nothing to do with resolution, even though you can relate it. It's like me pointing out in our screen SIZE debate that the DS bottom screen is a touch screen. It may realte, but it isn't RELEVANT.

 

[Casual Billy]

And finally, billy, we were talking about screen SIZE, which has nothing to do with resolution, even though you can relate it.

Actually, screen SIZE is an integral aspect of its resolution. Just as my example before illustrated. The number of pixels on a screen (its resolution) means nothing without the screen size. I know it wasn't your original intention to focus on this aspect of screen size but I brought it up anyway. They are very closely related.

If you have enough time to watch a movie on your PSP, your most likely gonna be traveling long distances, so you mayaswell bring ur portable DVD player, mp3 player, and DS. That way you can watch your entire DVD section, not the 2 UMD disks you have. Plus, i always use my mp3 player and my DS - mp3 players are very small (esp. mine). Not that big a deal. And no it won't look as good on a portable DVD player as opposed to a big screen, but it'll sure look a lot better than on the PSP.

So are you saying that PSP is a bad movie player because its library is small compared to a DVD player's? And why would I want to carry three things (the DVD player alone is much bigger than PSP), when I could carry one with some of the same functionality? And I'm assuming that you've never seen a movie on PSP. It's very high-quality. You should check it out some time. Especially before you assert that portable DVD players look "a lot better than on the PSP."

Here's a question that's been bugging me though. Maybe you can answer it. I've just been noticing that every DS fan will try to discredit PSP's multimedia functions by saying that it's not as good as a dedicated machine or that "GAMING SYSTEMS!!" should not be judged on how much multimedia functionality they have. There's validity to the latter but the former argument is what got me thinking. Why is it that PSP offers music, movies, pictures, and games and does them all well (games- extremely well IMO) but DS does games, ... And falls short in that one category? If Nintendo is gonna keep making these game-focused machines that don't do anything else, why can't they make one that fulfills this one function better than anything else. I mean, look at the technical specs of each system. PSP blows DS out of the water. It's a better gaming platform and has media functions as well. DS just plays games and not very many or many that are very good. So, I guess my only gripe with the DS is that, as a dedicated machine, it fails to be the best in the only field that it occupies.