Fake or real cards fullarts? LF experts

[theantso]

Hey,

So I hope its okay i posts this here. I´ve been looking for hours on help on this but nowhere can i find a solution. So i hoped there´d be some veterans of the tcg game here.

Thing is, I bought some full art cards from this person, who sold me them in good trust they were real, but i guessed that he had bought them from another deal who sold fake cards. But i am unsure if they were fake or real. I do believe they´re all fake but im not sure.

If needed i can show a picture of them. But this is the things i noticed.

1) They´re very dark, like the full arts are just ..dark. I noticed this even before i got them.

2) They feel like plastic. The back, the front, all of it, its like these cards if they got dirty i could rinse them in water and they´d be fine. they´re perfectly clean, theres absolutely no papery feel about them.

3) The backside of them is extremly dark compared to all my other real pokemon cards.
Only ONE card has the same colour as real pokemon cards on the back, these are all very very dark blue and again the backside also feels like plastic. I could put water on them and wipe them off and they´d be fine.

4) They dont have that scratchy feeling or sound like my full art gardevoir has.

Are these not 100% fake? I bought them as real cards, but the guy i bought them from apparently bought like 15 full art cards and ex´s for like 20 euro...and i said that gotta be fake. But the guy refuse to believe me that he sold me fakes as this guy has no idea what real or fake is. But before i blame him i want to be 100% sure.

Are these fake cards? I have never had any fullarts despite one or two, i just dont get why these cards feels like plastic. And they´re so Im not sure they´re plastic, but they´re just so smooth and weird.

Hope someone can help me out. I´d greatly appreciate it. Im sorry if this is not allowed, i just really want some help from someone.

 

[Electricbluewolf]

Pictures would really help to see if they're fake or not.
By the sounds of it they do sound fake. Bear in mind that the first full arts from BW didn't have the ridge effect that are on the newer full arts and were considerably shiny because of the finish.

 

[theantso]

I´ll try upload some

 

[theantso]

https://www.dropbox.com/s/sftwgds4xtdzm8v/2016-01-24%2019.05.00.jpg?dl=0&preview=2016-01-24+19.05.00.jpg

The left card is of the mega rayquaza, its the one who actually does look like a real pokemon card regarding the colour - all the other ones are very dark.

https://www.dropbox.com/s/iwxaeghrrjmxhk7/2016-01-24 19.04.32.jpg?dl=0

again the mega rayquaza actually is not shiny but its not a full art either. However the mega rayquaza, on the backside - the left side is missing look here.

https://www.dropbox.com/s/v0183bc26zzgtqb/2016-01-24 18.00.57.jpg?dl=0

No left side. No edge.

This is my real pokemon gardevoir full art that looks perfect on the back

https://www.dropbox.com/s/ihji2iy428xcqg2/2016-01-24 18.02.19.jpg?dl=0

But this compared to the mega rayquaza? the mega rayquaza seems like a fake despie having the look of a real card does it not?

Also the rest of the cards of the full arts - they dont have the feeling as you mentioned, i dont know when full arts got that, but as said they´re ALL plastic feeling, theres no papery feeling, i even could bend my venusaur full art like this

https://www.dropbox.com/s/7q7biardqij501z/2016-01-24 17.58.11.jpg?dl=0

And after that it was in perfect shape again. They all feel like they´re cut out of some plastic, and part oftheir pictures just doesnt seem right. Dark, and the edges are wrong. But the main thing isthe very very dark blue backside, asswell as the no paery feel, they all feel like 100% plastic, front and back. I can bend them back and forth no problem, and i could pour water on them without damage.

Are they fake you think? I have a very hard time believing this is real. They do not sem real in any way whatsoever and no card i have even reminds me of such cards.

 

[donavannj]

https://www.dropbox.com/s/sftwgds4xtdzm8v/2016-01-24%2019.05.00.jpg?dl=0&preview=2016-01-24+19.05.00.jpg

The left card is of the mega rayquaza, its the one who actually does look like a real pokemon card regarding the colour - all the other ones are very dark.

https://www.dropbox.com/s/iwxaeghrrjmxhk7/2016-01-24 19.04.32.jpg?dl=0

again the mega rayquaza actually is not shiny but its not a full art either. However the mega rayquaza, on the backside - the left side is missing look here.

https://www.dropbox.com/s/v0183bc26zzgtqb/2016-01-24 18.00.57.jpg?dl=0

No left side. No edge.

This is my real pokemon gardevoir full art that looks perfect on the back

https://www.dropbox.com/s/ihji2iy428xcqg2/2016-01-24 18.02.19.jpg?dl=0

But this compared to the mega rayquaza? the mega rayquaza seems like a fake despie having the look of a real card does it not?

Also the rest of the cards of the full arts - they dont have the feeling as you mentioned, i dont know when full arts got that, but as said they´re ALL plastic feeling, theres no papery feeling, i even could bend my venusaur full art like this

https://www.dropbox.com/s/7q7biardqij501z/2016-01-24 17.58.11.jpg?dl=0

And after that it was in perfect shape again. They all feel like they´re cut out of some plastic, and part oftheir pictures just doesnt seem right. Dark, and the edges are wrong. But the main thing isthe very very dark blue backside, asswell as the no paery feel, they all feel like 100% plastic, front and back. I can bend them back and forth no problem, and i could pour water on them without damage.

Are they fake you think? I have a very hard time believing this is real. They do not sem real in any way whatsoever and no card i have even reminds me of such cards.

As soon as I saw the energy symbols and fonts used, that confirmed for me that at least 5 of them are definitely fake. The only one that has a shot at being real is M Rayquaza EX, but that's hard to tell because the picture is blurry. Miscuts aren't uncommon, though I'm not sure they ever happen on the backsides of the cards because, if I had to make an educated guess, the cards get cut with the backs of the cards facing upward since the game's rules are very strict about how the card backs look.

Could you get better quality pictures of the front and back of the M Rayquaza EX? I do think I see some possible tells of being a fake on those, but it's hard to tell with the image quality posted. I'm thinking I'm seeing some undetailed splotches to the top right and bottom left of the Poke Ball on the back compared to standard cards.

 

[theantso]

Thank you so so so much for that response. How can you see they are fake from the energy symbols? I´d like to learn how to spot it. What is it the difference is? The fonts is the writing on them , thats in a wrong font? Is it the name especially?

Yes the mega rayquaza is very very blurry, yet it is the only one that feels papery and like a proper copy. The other ones are 100% plastic too.

ive tried taking a few pictures for you to show it. Hopefully you can see better on these pictures. Again thank yuo so incredibly much for helping me out. You´re my hero for this, thank you so so much. I really mean it. Thank You!

https://www.dropbox.com/s/q2zfnm1fe439bjr/2016-01-24 20.35.49.jpg?dl=0

https://www.dropbox.com/s/8s3joly0g9zlglz/2016-01-24 20.36.12.jpg?dl=0

https://www.dropbox.com/s/lsnripoiwjvcj35/2016-01-24 20.36.22.jpg?dl=0

https://www.dropbox.com/s/hci3a5gfdg243hm/2016-01-24 20.36.30.jpg?dl=0

 

[donavannj]

Thank you so so so much for that response. How can you see they are fake from the energy symbols? I´d like to learn how to spot it. What is it the difference is? The fonts is the writing on them , thats in a wrong font? Is it the name especially?

Yes the mega rayquaza is very very blurry, yet it is the only one that feels papery and like a proper copy. The other ones are 100% plastic too.

ive tried taking a few pictures for you to show it. Hopefully you can see better on these pictures. Again thank yuo so incredibly much for helping me out. You´re my hero for this, thank you so so much. I really mean it. Thank You!

https://www.dropbox.com/s/q2zfnm1fe439bjr/2016-01-24 20.35.49.jpg?dl=0

https://www.dropbox.com/s/8s3joly0g9zlglz/2016-01-24 20.36.12.jpg?dl=0

https://www.dropbox.com/s/lsnripoiwjvcj35/2016-01-24 20.36.22.jpg?dl=0

https://www.dropbox.com/s/hci3a5gfdg243hm/2016-01-24 20.36.30.jpg?dl=0

So, wait, it's blurry in person, too?

 

[theantso]

Its hard to say if its blurry, but its like got scratches everywhere, i dont know if thats part of the card design, but its like the paint has scratches everywhere, and yeah it does look blurry because of all the scratches, its like not clear at all and overall just looks like a bad paint job because your eyes when looking at it has a hard time to focus.

And the cutting of the backside is just really weird, it got to be the worst cutting ive ever seen. The whole left side has been cut so much it looks like whitening. And the bottom of the blue edge is three times as big as the top blue edge. While the right edge looks normal.

Im nlot sure if its a fake, the other ones are as you said 100%. Im not sure if this comes from the same fake seller, i did get some cards that was real. But alot looks weird on this one. But yeah its definitely a bit blurry.

 

[theantso]

It does seem to be perhaps legit. It isn´t shiny on the edges, but i heard some are shiny and others are not? Thinking i´ll have to buy a real one to compare.

 

[Electricbluewolf]

I would say they're all fake (obviously except from your Gardevoir)

"Blown" Energy symbols are the result it poor printing/copying techniques, it makes the symbol inside the energy circle look very big or much smaller than or real cards
Kangkasan does not have that type of holo pattern behind him
Pokemon cards have always used a certain font when typing-they choose this font to make it clear and easy for people to read. The font on those cards are much thinner and "longer" than most.
You telling us they're smooth on the Full Arts as well is an indicator that they are printed on probably high gloss paper. If you look at them sideways, can you see a black line running through the card? Or if you hold it up to the light is it transparent?

Personally I think that M-Ray is fake. The card edges are very low in quality, and it just doesn't look right. Also if you got it with the other fake cards you'd be able to see the quality different between them.

I have a legit Kang FA I can post there so you can see what it should look like, if you want as a reference

 

[theantso]

Thank you.

I´d very much like a picture of your FA kangaskhan so i can compare.
To answer your questions. No I cannot see a black line running through when looking sideways, I´ve looked very carefully. I cannot see through them, even with strong light.

The text is very hard to read, like as you said, its very thin. What did you mean about the text being "long"?

It does not even feel like paper. I got some paper used for pictures thats very glossy, but the cards feels like they are made of 100% thin plastic. They´re near indestructable, water, bending them, throwing them around - no scratches, and compelty perfect on the back and the corner edges, And they´re EXTREMLY stiff. Like i cannot bend the corner edges. Usually the corners bend by just the slightest touch. So I do believe they´re made from some sort of plastic.

The MG-rayquaza as you said has horrible edge cutting, its in a very bad quality and blurry.

Thank you very much fr the things you sasid, i´ll try look at hte energy symbols and compare to real cards if i can see a difference.

The main difference aswell i noticed on all cards except the rayquaza is the very very dark blue colour on the back of the cards.

 

[Maserati777]

Here are some pictures I took of my versions of the 6 cards you posted, I bought the Blastoise and the Venusaur online a few years ago and pulled the other 4.


The only weird thing I noticed about the Mega Rayquaza was that while the top portion was extremely miscut, the bottom portion wasn't very miscut. Usually when the cut goes to the edge of the picture on a card the opposite edge is vastly larger. The bottom of that one appears to be the right width. Just wondering but is the card the same size as a real Pokémon card? It kind of looks like some cut the cards top off with scissors.

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