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The U.S. Constitution are dead, that doesn't mean that what they've said, or rather, written, can be changed. Mitchman made rules for DLTMSA and it seems unfair that they can just be changed at random. :<
 
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Umm...we have 3 actually.

The 2 are here and are called "The count to Infinity" and "Don't Let the Mod say Zero."

The third chat thread is in the Other Chat Forum.
 
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Umm...we have 3 actually.

The 2 are here and are called "The count to Infinity" and "Don't Let the Mod say Zero."

The third chat thread is in the Other Chat Forum.
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You forgot Watch Out For Zombies. And, to a certain extent, The Nightclub.
 
I'm not fine with that rule. I think the "3 counting thread" rule is absolutely pointless!

It breaks the function of OT as a whole, and denies people the right to establish their own thread when they simply don't want to join the other counting threads for whatever reasons they might have. :/

I honestly think OT never did need as much moderation as it's now getting, and I feel like OT thrives better on less order. It's one thing to enforce forum-wide rules here, that's perfectly reasonable, but I still do not like the rules of OT as they stand today, and I will continue to intermittently object to them until they change.
 
Because regardless of people's efforts to make threads like TCTI and DLTMS0 more friendly, sometimes they're not. Maybe you don't like to be ninja'd, or maybe you just don't click with the regular group. I can understand pruning such threads that DIE, or closing count based threads which are too similar to existing ones, but by outright banning new counter type threads, you're stifling any creativity on that front. Maybe someone will come up with something original that will appeal to more members, and that will bring more people to OT, because each new successful chat type thread will bring a new crowd to OT.


What I'm basically saying is that you can't change the fact that some people won't be compatible with others, and its driving people away by essentially overmoderating a section which really is intended to be a relaxation zone. A section where only the base rules apply, and there are no extra regulations to worry about. :/

People relax best when they're among people they're comfortable with. Not when they're forced into the same room.
 
TCTI and DLTMSA are just like DCC, but with counting. New people come in and out of DCC all the time, and the same can happen with the other two threads. Mind giving me example of these threads that we have out-right banned? As far as I know, I've really only closed duplicates, WOFZ, and threads that do not belong in OT for the past few months.

I can't speak for Netto, but I'm moderating this place the way I moderate Pokemon Trivia. I'm not sure that you have the same opinions over there as well, but as far as I know, I'm quite lenient and open to suggestions.

We're not forcing anyone. Unless you're speaking about WOFZ, but I don't see you having a place there (you never posted) and the regulars understood why we closed WOFZ. Not just because it was another chatting thread, but because it was too similar to DLTMS0. I don't see them complaining about how this place is modded.

And for a side note: with WOFZ closed, there is technically a place for a new counting thread, just as so long as it doesn't become another DCC, and it's original.
 
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I can't speak for Netto, but I'm moderating this place the way I moderate Pokemon Trivia. I'm not sure that you have the same opinions over there as well, but as far as I know, I'm quite lenient and open to suggestions.
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Well to be frank, I actually thought I've been quite lenient in my moderating. O.O
Most of the warnings and infractions handed down in OT are on SPAM and flaming (None of those lately)

Heck I don't even warn those who make duplicate threads! xD I'm actually scared of being warned for being too relaxed at times to be frank. xP

I mean we rarely do radical things here as you are correct Pachy, OT thrives on a relaxed environment.

To be frank the only major changes we did here are on the Counting threads and opening this comment box. You can still make threads as long as it's not a duplicate of another one. (We're even more lenient in that way since we can have up to 3 counting threads! @~@)
 
What upsets me is that WOFZ was ignored for so long. I don't like the idea of limiting the number of counting threads at all on the grounds that this IS OT and it DOES indeed thrive on a relaxed environment.

I'm not just talking about WOFZ in particular though. Your new rules pretty much ruined The Nightclub too, and that led to it's closure. :/

As I was a regular of The Nightclub until Peaches decided to rewrite the interpretation of the rules, it was doing fine.

So yeah, I'm unhappy with the rules of OT as they are now, because the thread that I did enjoy was pretty much closed up because you two simply want more people in DLTMS0 or TCTI :/

I mentioned WOFZ because regardless of how understanding the residents of that thread appeared to be, they still feel the same way most likely, but are too afraid to really say it. I object to WOFZ's closure because it was well established already and thriving fairly well despite activity dips that happen in any forum. I feel like it was just closed because some people think TCTI or DLMS0 is better somehow when that doesn't really matter.

I object also to limiting threads in OT because if a new thread is created, it should be allowed to live and die on it's own, not closed because the mods suddenly decided it's now too 'off-topic' and has become a 'chat thread' :/

After all, we're not "Taking a break from our rigorous post day" if we're suddenly expected to stay on topic with laser precision now are we?

I'm not saying duplicate threads shouldn't be closed, just that similar threads should be reviewed. WOFZ was created simply because the thread creator thought that DLTMS0 was unfair, aside from becoming a mod you could never know the fun of being evil enough to reset the count or letting it live. WOFZ wasn't too similar, it was creative enough when it was founded to satisfy the moderators of OT at that time, and I feel that should have been respected.

OT doesn't beg for that type of moderation and never needed it. It's gonna go offtopic no matter what thread it is, and I don't believe the moderators here should fight that since that really smacks of being too strict. This makes people less comfortable and less likely to post here in general.

For the record, I've always been the first to question and object to "reactionary" rules that are created because a moderator is annoyed by some quirk of the section they rule, unless it's document-ably detrimental to the section. I've seen sections like Roleplay and Fanfiction type sections killed by moderators who simply won't tolerate inferior work. Remember the average user age of the forum is still low...so expect lots of silly n00bs.
 
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I'm not a Mod, but hoo boy do I want to say something about this stuff. Expect my wording to suck because I can't word things properly and Kevin will probably come along and mock me again.

What upsets me is that WOFZ was ignored for so long. I don't like the idea of limiting the number of counting threads at all on the grounds that this IS OT and it DOES indeed thrive on a relaxed environment.
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Other decent threads were ignored too, as Don had pointed out in the Boy/Girl Counting thread (I think it was there?). They may not have been counting threads, but threads here are still threads.

Regarding the number of counting threads limit, I'll get to that later.

I'm not just talking about WOFZ in particular though. Your new rules pretty much ruined The Nightclub too, and that led to it's closure. :/

As I was a regular of The Nightclub until Peaches decided to rewrite the interpretation of the rules, it was doing fine.
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That's your opinion. I personally thought the rules did a great thing to the Nightclub, because at some point someone moved it to the RPing section and it got temporarily locked. If it weren't for those new rules people would mistake it for an RP thread, which does NOT belong in OT. And I noticed even after Tara wrote the rules it was still doing well up until a certain point. I don't know what the hell happened then, I assume the regulars got too busy and no non-regulars felt like checking it out anymore. It died along with the rest of those other threads.

So yeah, I'm unhappy with the rules of OT as they are now, because the thread that I did enjoy was pretty much closed up because you two simply want more people in DLTMS0 or TCTI :/
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Even more opinionated. I'd rage at you for your last statement because there's no way in hell Tara or Netto were thinking that, AND that it's all in your head, AND you're just complaining because your favorite thread got locked and so you want to take it out on the other main threads, but I won't.

I mentioned WOFZ because regardless of how understanding the residents of that thread appeared to be, they still feel the same way most likely, but are too afraid to really say it. I object to WOFZ's closure because it was well established already and thriving fairly well despite activity dips that happen in any forum. I feel like it was just closed because some people think TCTI or DLMS0 is better somehow when that doesn't really matter.
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OPINIONATED. And whaddaya know, I was the thread creator for the second version and I didn't mind that it was closed. It was losing its activity as much as the Nightclub was, so I was glad to see it go just to give another counting thread a chance. I didn't find DLTMS0 or TCTI any better than WOFZ. Heck, I liked WOFZ over DLTMS0 because it gave regular members the chance to zero regular members, and I liked it over TCTI because the members weren't as intimidating. I still like most other threads over TCTI because it's too intimidating to me still.

I object also to limiting threads in OT because if a new thread is created, it should be allowed to live and die on it's own, not closed because the mods suddenly decided it's now too 'off-topic' and has become a 'chat thread' :/

After all, we're not "Taking a break from our rigorous post day" if we're suddenly expected to stay on topic with laser precision now are we?
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[jq]There is already the Daily Chit-Chat thread in Other Chat for random discussions.[/jq]

And whaddaya know, there you actually GAIN postcount! What a bonus!

On the second part, people ARE allowed to talk off-topic so long as they still stay on topic "with laser precision" as you stated. Look at The One Above and the Sig. Rating threads, for example. After saying "The One Above is yadda yadda" or "You get 5/10 because yadda yadda", some people will add comments, such as "I find it weird that yadda yadda" or "Why do I feel like my sig. is yadda yadda".

I'm not saying duplicate threads shouldn't be closed, just that similar threads should be reviewed. WOFZ was created simply because the thread creator thought that DLTMS0 was unfair, aside from becoming a mod you could never know the fun of being evil enough to reset the count or letting it live. WOFZ wasn't too similar, it was creative enough when it was founded to satisfy the moderators of OT at that time, and I feel that should have been respected.
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I don't think that was Podifo's intention. I believe Podifo's true intention was to give members a chance, since DLTMS0 is popular in other forums, not just this one. But Podifo should be the one to testify, not me.

And it WAS respected; it was closed because of its inactivity. I'm sure if the Boy/Girl counting suddenly died for a week or so, it may end up being closed. TCTI and DLTMS0, on the other hand, would probably have to wait a month seeing as they're so well established. DLTMS0 would probably have to wait even less because TCTI's far up there and has regulars and non-regulars come along.

OT doesn't beg for that type of moderation and never needed it. It's gonna go offtopic no matter what thread it is, and I don't believe the moderators here should fight that since that really smacks of being too strict. This makes people less comfortable and less likely to post here in general.
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IT'S THE MOD'S JOB. IF THEY DO NOT FOLLOW GUIDELINES THEN THEY WOULD NOT BE DOING THEIR JOB. I know I've critiqued Tara on being a bad Mod before (never Netto), but really, if they don't follow the general guidelines then they aren't doing their job and may get kicked off the staff list. And as far as I'm concerned, Tara and Netto are doing fine.

For the record, I've always been the first to question and object to "reactionary" rules that are created because a moderator is annoyed by some quirk of the section they rule, unless it's document-ably detrimental to the section. I've seen sections like Roleplay and Fanfiction type sections killed by moderators who simply won't tolerate inferior work. Remember the average user age of the forum is still low...so expect lots of silly n00bs.
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Look at previous capslocked statement.

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Overall, you're more subjective than you are objective, and you didn't seem to do any actual research (i.e. finding out how the regulars of WOFZ and even the Nightclub felt plus why Podifo created WOFZ in the first place). Sure this is supposed to be a place where you have fun, but in a serious thread like this, objectiveness is better than subjectiveness anyday. I know it's a Feedback thread, but there should still be actual facts in there, not just opinions.

Anyways, this is my two cents. You may not agree with me because you believe you're right no matter what, but I know I'm not completely wrong. Hell, I tried to stay away from being subjective myself, but who knows if I fully was or not.

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Now, for my own kind of feedback (you don't have to read any of this Pachy). Let's look at this quote: "It's time to save yourself from the everyday trials and tribulations of your vigorous post day. Welcome to the Other Trivia, where the only posts are ones frantic fun and hilarious hijinks."

Being subjective here for a moment, I think this thread is really out of place. I know it was meant to help OT and whatnot, but its seriousness does not fit in with OT's main purpose. My own pathetic idea is that there should be a mention in the rules (which need to get updated anyway; WOFZ is still listed under there) that for suggestions and feedback just PM the Mods. Tara and Netto are both very nice people even after becoming Mods, so I'm sure they'd take the time to read your PMs. Of course, I'm not Tara or Netto so I could be far from the truth.

And the rules themselves are serious, I know. But even places like these need their own kinds of rules in order to keep everything in order. If the rules here suddenly vanished, there'd be many spam threads ending up here, and OT is in no way like sections in other forums dedicated to spamming.

Eh, I'm done ranting now. Feel free to yell at me or mock me or w/e.
 
Since Rossu-Pie pretty much took everything that I was feeling up there, I'm just going to add one thing, since you seem to be so against Nightclub's closing: Netto and I weren't the only ones who felt like the Nightclub was slipping away from it's original purpose. In fact, Anna has said that it wasn't the original creator wanted, and a few other mods (I'm not speaking their names. That's up to them to say who they are) who also felt like it was deriving from it's original purpose.

I know I've critiqued Tara on being a bad Mod before
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If you're talking about what happened in WOFZ, I wasn't being a bad mod per se, but generally a bad person in general, because I would have done that even if I didn't have the mod sticker slammed onto me. But hey, we all make stupid mistakes like that. As for the PMs, well we were just poking fun at the facts, not necessarily the person. That was a long time ago, and so /shrugs. Oh well~ Just continue to march forward into... whatever the future holds. :)

Also... I don't think Netto's intention (nor mine) when we first created this thread was to have such serious conversations such as this. Just feedback and small suggestions. But you would have to ask Netto that. :x
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This place sure is on fire today.

I never posted much in the Nightclub, so I don't think I'm allowed to say much on that matter. But different ways of viewing the rules have lead to many things. Just recently, for instance, we had the whole thing about Shanghai Alice's question thread (which was also developing into something different and larger).
Though myself I think moderating is necessary in order for OT to stay alive and healthy. Rules must be followed in spite of the creative little pointless games we play and conversations we have here. But we also need more precise interpretations of the rules, we must make sure different people view them the same, to prevent further difficulties and unnecessary thread closures.
For that reason I could see some rules being redefined.
 
I thought OT was about chatting, and fun. And it was the mod's job to stick to their job, and that's what Netto and Tara do. They both do a lot for the section. It's a lot of the members here in OT who think the section is theirs to make their own and to mold into what they want it to be. Well it's not. It's for everyone and I'm disappointed by what I see in this thread. None of it is beneficial.

And it's a joke, and an insult, to say this section doesn't need moderation. A lot of you guys need to take a step back and look at what you're arguing about. Like Tara said, this thread was not intended to cause argument. Make suggestions, ask questions, provide feedback, stop whining. The negativity is laughable here, a lot of you guys really need to lighten up and stop treating this thread and OT like something it is not. You're not helping anything by causing uproar. It's not doing favours for the moderators who do a lot of work to keep this section fun either. So start posting like you should in OT, or you guys will effectively become poison in the veins of a place you spend so much time in.
 
So start posting like you should in OT, or you guys will effectively become poison in the veins of a place you spend so much time in.
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Just want to stress this as [former] poison. If you are not enjoying it, then you should take a look at why you're still here.

As for some feedback, OT is fine as far as I can tell. Everyone seems to be having fun and enjoying themselves. Even though I might not be enjoying it myself, personally, the people who actually post regularly in OT do, so why change it to suit the needs of one? What I'm trying to say is that current state OT is fine the way it is. So, uh, yeah. Keep up the good work guys. You got a nice place here.
 
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