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Garchomp is broken ?

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I'm just saying that it isn't invincible if it is made to switch out, cancelling the sub and Cosmic Powers. (If the opponent is stupid enough to let you set up...)

But yes, that is a very apt example of why the tier system is in place. It also helps to get away from the 'Giants' like Tyranitar and Garchomp, and head to a more 'subtle' tier in UU.

~T_S
 
sims796 said:
Rebember, Double Team has most likely been used, and whenever you're (puny) hits connect, it won't do much, and he can Recover off the damages. And you know more than I that it's never one on one. This is the ultimate haxed staller, only beaten by Taunt, and if it already have Substitute up, it's over.

This set is for anyone bawing over tier list, and not realizing what Chomp is made of.
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Right... it's never one on one, in that case why wouldn't you just roar it out or something if it subs up. Still few trainers will be able to handle it ;). I know it's too broken so I won't argue that's it ain't. Same thing with chomp it hardly has a proper counter.
 
Tortured_Soul said:
I'm just saying that it isn't invincible if it is made to switch out, cancelling the sub and Cosmic Powers. (If the opponent is stupid enough to let you set up...)

But yes, that is a very apt example of why the tier system is in place. It also helps to get away from the 'Giants' like Tyranitar and Garchomp, and head to a more 'subtle' tier in UU.

~T_S
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Thank you Prince, and while I am here, it isn't hard at all to charge up at least twice for a Substitute, or a Sub then Reflect. Plus, not all teams use hazers, so this is over centralization as well. But I've made my point.
 
The only pokes with reliable recovery that can phaze Garchomp are Hippowdon and Skarmory. Unfortunately Skarmory takes a big chuck of damage from Fire Fang / Fire Blast, while Hippowdon actually helps Garchomp by activating his Sand Veil, making Roar 80%.
 
Syaoran said:
The only pokes with reliable recovery that can phaze Garchomp are Hippowdon and Skarmory. Unfortunately Skarmory takes a big chuck of damage from Fire Fang / Fire Blast, while Hippowdon actually helps Garchomp by activating his Sand Veil, making Roar 80%.
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This is the funniest post I've seen, and it's so true.
 
Syaoran said:
The only pokes with reliable recovery that can phaze Garchomp are Hippowdon and Skarmory. Unfortunately Skarmory takes a big chuck of damage from Fire Fang / Fire Blast, while Hippowdon actually helps Garchomp by activating his Sand Veil, making Roar 80%.
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True...Hippowdon also gets a huge dent from a SD outrage. While skarm is attacked with those fangs or a blast.:cool:
 
I think the most horrible thing to come out of the past few weeks is that what does have a shot at Garchomp can now be held by Wobbuffet. Counter/Mirror Coat to the death and then sweep with Garchomp. Wobby must go up, and Garchomp has good reason to also head that way.

~T_S
 
But it'll be a shame for Chomp to move up. We shouldn't rush to boost it right away.
 
I simply mean that by the current argument, there is for more support 'for' than 'against'. I am still in the wings though. I don't want to go messing too much with this sort of stuff. I'll check Smogon shortly to see where they've gotten on the matter.

~T_S
 
I'm not saying anything against Garchomp going for uber. But the fact is, we have all beat it time and time again. Unfortunately, the game is evolving, and Garchomp's stregnth's are starting to surface.
 
About Dragonite:

He might be good and DD Outrage is a beast (on any dragon, really), but there's a few reasons Garchomp is feared more:

Sand Veil
Electric Immunity
SR resist
No Rock weakness

These 3 things are HUGE deals. Sand Veil and 20% evasion? What evasion does Dragonite have? Electric immunity? Bye T-wave, and Thunder/T-bolt hit for neutral on Dragonite, which can take a large chunk of HP, while Chomp takes nothing. SR resist? This I don't even need to explain. No rock weakness? This eliminates completely a weakness from Garchomp that Dragonite has. Big advantage.
 
Oh so they move Wobbufet down... now they try to move Garchomp up a rank? I think they have enough reputation to completely move Mewtwo into OU..

Anyways, if Garchomp gets enough speed and attack with a stat-boosting move, it will be unstoppable considering it's bulk. Remember the time I mentioned Garchomp will not fall down to an Ice Shard? Well, Ice Shard is the only thing to touch it after getting past it's speed boosts. Now, I'm not saying that people will be an idiot and letting the opponent simply Baton Pass, but things could turn up pretty bad if your opponent has a neat strategy going. If they take down your Pokemon one by one, you never know when they have just taken down the Pokemon to stop the opposing Baton Pass!

Garchomp is a very SCARY Pokemon, almost nothing could wall it if you fall under it's SD. Saying this because not every team carries an "Ice Shard", but Garchomp can completely wreck havoc on Stall teams if used properly. I'm not very sure with some of the damage percentages mentioned up there, but I do disagree with some of the contents and agree with some as well. Haven't come up with a conclusion yet.
 
I think the Limbo tier is better placement than putting it into Uber. But what exactly would the limitations be on Garchomp in the Limbo tier?
 
Dark_Azelf said:
Read the whole post before posting/or saying stupid things like "Liek zomg, Garchump is easy i beat it with a mudkip !111", In fact read the whole post before posting. Period.
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Can people maybe try paying attention to this little tidbit? Half of the posts here have been...just not good. Everybody keeps ignoring the arguments presented, so I would...recommend that. In other words, make sure your post is accurate and worth reading. Opininsn are cool, but back them up with something other than "I've never had trouble with Garchomp before, I can beat it..."

Anyways, this discussion needs revived. I pretty much support its move to the uber tier, as there obviously aren't any good counterarguments and...it just makes sense.

Still, I needed to "revive" this since this is probably the most important topic on the board right now.
 
What will happen if Garchomp actually is banned? I don't frequent the WiFi battle forums here, but I'd imagine that most people there wouldn't agree with the ban. Would PC go along with the decision?
 
I think we need more opinions on the matter before we close it. This affects the whole battling forum as a whole. Maybe a duplicate thread should be placed in Battle Thread, so more people can put in their word.
 
I meant close the case, not the thread. Like, settle on this as a reality, or something like that.

Regardless, I really think this thread needs to be seen by all battlers on the forum, as this will take them by surprise.
 
Alright, so I just spent 10 minutes of my life going over the first post, and I have to say, this guy is totally right. He says that the only Pokemon that can survive 2 hits from a CBChomp is Hippowdon, but I don't think I saw him mention anywhere that Hippo also brings along a 20% boost in evasiveness to the already massive beast. And with Ice Fang being Hippo's only means of countering it, and it not even having 100 base accuracy in the first place makes him pretty much out of the question. Actually, the best (least likely) way to kill him would be to get out a set of Toxic Spikes before you see him, the have yourself a CBWeavile with Ice Shard on hand. So yeah, I completely agree with the fact that he should be uber, as he is obviously too broken in the OU tier.
 
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