Has Another Forum Ever Been WAY too strict

[Serebii]

That is an abnormality and should not have happened. We don't infract for sources such as wikipedia. heck we don't even infract just for providing links as long as it's not blatant advertising.

I need more material in order to investigate this, such as what mod gave the aforementioned infraction and the post in which it occured, but it shouldn't have happened AT ALL.

 

[Ascaris]

That is an abnormality and should not have happened. We don't infract for sources such as wikipedia. heck we don't even infract just for providing links as long as it's not blatant advertising.

I need more material in order to investigate this, such as what mod gave the aforementioned infraction and the post in which it occured, but it shouldn't have happened AT ALL.

Joe, have you ever been to your own debate section? Using wikipedia is against the rules.

And Babylon is a total ass. He infracts for every slightest thing there.

EDIT: Ignore my post. It seems that Babylon has removed that particular rule. But he is still an ass.

 

[Serebii]

Oh, it was in the debate section, then we have an explanation. Context is everything.

Maybe if people said the facts rather than just vauge statements like that then we could actually get something done.

Oh, and since that date, Babylon has been told to ease up and he has so just chill out.

Also, for you cowards who decided to ***** at me anonymously in Reputation Comments (bravo on your cahones by the way), you need to factor in one fact. I'm not omnipotent, I'm not omniscient. I don't know everything that goes on in my forums and I was well within my rights to defend myself on this even though in this case, I was wrong. The absurdity of it made me well within my rights to, especially seeing as no evidence was given. To me it just seemed like a baseless insult, which is actually quite common here.

 

[Ascaris]

It doesn't do anything to refute the fact that your forum is very unpopular among many Pokemon fans.

 

[Serebii]

It doesn't do anything to refute the fact that your forum is very unpopular among many Pokemon fans.

Well for one, I didn't say anything that could be interpretted as me saying anything like that.

Also, if that was true, then why is the forum domain itself more popular than most of the "big" Pokemon sites and its the most visited pokemon forum.

You lot may be vocal, but that does not make you a majority I'm afraid

 

[Ascaris]

Well for one, I didn't say anything that could be interpretted as me saying anything like that.

You were implying that you didn't know what goes on in your forum and that you are not to blame for the idiotic rules. To me it just seems like a way to justify that your forum is not as bad as a majority of PC forumites say it is.

Also, if that was true, then why is the forum domain itself more popular than most of the "big" Pokemon sites and its the most visited pokemon forum.

You know exactly why. It's because you own the largest pokemon site in the internet today. Just because your site gets more hits or has more members than other forums doesn't mean that it's any better.

Quality > Quantity.

You lot may be vocal, but that does not make you a majority I'm afraid

I didn't even get the last part.

 

[Serebii]

I'm not responsible for most of the rules on the forums. Its a big forum and as such I leave it up to the heads of each department

You used the term unpopular, therefore stating quantity as opposed to quality and that is why my statements came from.

The last part was aimed at the arrogance on the part of you saying it's disliked by many fans. It's vocally disliked yes, but in my research, its always by the same people. A Vocal Minority is not a Majority.

 

[Deleted member 12729]

I like how you're all just using this thread to criticize Serebii.

Very original attitude coming from PC, I must say.

 

[Ascaris]

I'm not responsible for most of the rules on the forums. Its a big forum and as such I leave it up to the heads of each department

Being the owner shouldn't you at least run a routine check. I understand that you are a busy person and that you devote most of your leisure time to your site but that's not really an excuse not to know what's going on in your own forum.

You used the term unpopular, therefore stating quantity as opposed to quality and that is why my statements came from.

Unpopular as in hated. Perhaps I should have just used the latter term.

The last part was aimed at the arrogance on the part of you saying it's disliked by many fans. It's vocally disliked yes, but in my research, its always by the same people. A Vocal Minority is not a Majority.

This again shows ignorance of your own forum. Enter misc. 3/4 of the members who post there are trolls, flamers or retards who can't be bothered to read the rules. In every section a newbie who makes a new thread is often flamed by veterans. Many mods let their positions go to their heads and infract for the slightest thing. People have reasons to dislike your forum.

I joined Serebii in 2006 and it was the only forum I frequented untiltwo years later when I joined PC. I know what I'm talking about.

 

[ShinjisLover]

Can't we all just stop fighting? =( Serebii, you don't know everything that goes on on your site. But, Ascaris, neither do you. Serebii may be trying to get his mods to ease up (which he should be).

But, I do have to say, that the moderator at Serebii called my descriptions 'utter fail', which was rather rude of them. Note that they said it when they altered my post, and not in the actual review. (Ala - Zephyr Flare).

Also note that I, thankfully, have gotten much better. XD

But we all have opinions, and, Serebii and Ascaris, you two should respect each others. So, let's all be cool, okay?

 

[Morkula]

Kay, seriously guys, cut out the little Serebii war. Everyone knows that PC and SPPf have different ways of enforcing the rules, and while it's okay for us to disagree with the way SPPf handles things, the fact is it's Joe's forum and he can run it anyway he wants. So let's cut out the bickering back and forth.

 

[Ascaris]

I have nothing against Serebii personally. I just happen to have a few unpleasant experiences with certain members on his forums.

 

[Serebii]

Being the owner shouldn't you at least run a routine check. I understand that you are a busy person and that you devote most of your leisure time to your site but that's not really an excuse not to know what's going on in your own forum.

If you knew how busy life actually was, and how much work goes into the site, then you wouldn't state this

This again shows ignorance of your own forum. Enter misc. 3/4 of the members who post there are trolls, flamers or retards who can't be bothered to read the rules. In every section a newbie who makes a new thread is often flamed by veterans. Many mods let their positions go to their heads and infract for the slightest thing. People have reasons to dislike your forum.

Ah human nature, how I keep forgetting thee. You're exaggerating A LOT. Almost all mods don't do that, and the ones that do get dealt with. The amount of members who do that is also significantly less than you portray it.

 

[JoshYEAH]

I recentley joined this forum after a few people here had been attacking my section on Sppf as well as its sister section, the debate forums. I haven't read the entire thread but felt it was necessary to bring to the attention of some users here that your feedback, whilst in the wrong place, has been heard.

I didn't join Serebii simply because strict seems to define that forum. o_o Heck, you can get a 3 point infraction for linking to Wikipedia.

This is something I wasn't aware of, and neither was Joe until you proved him wrong in this very thread. First of all I'd like to say well done on proving him wrong, it's always funny when he's wrong. Second of all I'd like to make an apology on behalf of the mod that sent out the infraction and inform you that the rules are currentley being rewritten by myself to be a bit more in the style of how I choose to moderate - fairly and lenient.

The wikipedia rule is, I do agree, absolutely ridiculous, and it is the single rule that spurred myself and Serebii into action on this. Originally I was just going to re-write the rules myself and have them posted today, however we've decided a better course of action would be for me to write my new rules and then have a quick discussion with Babylon, who currentley mods debates, and see his own input - only fair really. Ultimately he does know the section more than I do (though I hate to admit it) and his input will be valued. You can expect the new rules to be up in the debate forum within the next week, however as I said, I do apologise for any trouble caused by me just letting Babylon do what he wants in there. Obviously it's caused a bit of "what the hell is going on."

Being the owner shouldn't you at least run a routine check. I understand that you are a busy person and that you devote most of your leisure time to your site but that's not really an excuse not to know what's going on in your own forum.

As Serebii said, he leaves his ruling up to the head of each section - in the case of misc and debates that would be myself. It is entirely my fault for not ensuring the rules in debate were of adequate nature. Joe trusts me to be able to do this for his website, hence me being in charge of what goes on in Misc and its subforums. Obviously I ain't superman and some things do go under my radar. All I can say is that when I do get informed of things, I act as quickly as I have done today.

This again shows ignorance of your own forum. Enter misc. 3/4 of the members who post there are trolls, flamers or retards who can't be bothered to read the rules. In every section a newbie who makes a new thread is often flamed by veterans. Many mods let their positions go to their heads and infract for the slightest thing. People have reasons to dislike your forum.

I'm sorry to say this but that just isn't as true as you're making it out to be. You're being a touch over dramatic when it comes down to things. Misc was originally like that, yes. Much of 2008 was a horrible time in misc which is why I did what I did, and had members give their own input on what needed to be changed in a topic I made at the beginning of December 2008 - the new rules were to be posted on New Years Day meaning members had an entire month to give their suggestions. Even if you don't go to the forum anymore, if you felt this strongly about the state of the forum you should've posted your suggestions - the thread was open to absolutely anyone and I took into consideration absolutely every post that was made there, even ones by people I had never seen post in Misc before.

I will admit that there are a lot of people that don't read the rules. I've had a bit of an influx of that myself lately, but ultimately Serebiiforums are a huge place with many, many members. You're going to get a variety of characters from such a large forum and unfortunately it's not always the easiest thing in the world to weed out the people that are making it hell for everyone that's decent.

I will also partially agree that some moderators do let their positions go to their head. I refuse to name names in this however rest assured that when such moderators are brought to the attention of the head of the forum sections, the Super moderators and the Administrators, something is definitely done about it. I do it myself on numerous occasions even when it regards moderators that don't moderate in my section - it's part of the job as being a moderator there.

Sadly however not all these cases are reported or brought to attention in the right place. It is fortunate that Serebii checks these forums often because a lot of the time out downfalls in the staff are brought to light here and elsewhere, and we are still able to act upon the complaint. If you do have a complaint about anything on Serebiiforums though then don't hesitate to send a private message to a Mod+, Smod or an Admin - your voice will most definitely be heard. Serebii tends to take complaints against his pride and joy pretty importantly.

I joined Serebii in 2006 and it was the only forum I frequented untiltwo years later when I joined PC. I know what I'm talking about.

I don't think you know half as much as you claim to from reading your posts, however I won't dwell on it.

The final thing I'd like to say in regards to the infraction given for the wikipedia link is that it was actually outlined in the rules that linking to Wikipedia was forbidden - there was ample warning that it was against the rules of the specific debate (which was a one on one debate as opposed to a group thread debate, they have different rules). The infraction has since expired and the original rules thread has been changed so unfortunately I am unable to link to it, however there was a quote in response to the infracted post that indicated that at the point of posting, the rule was very much in effect. I'd love to link to the post, however I am unable to do so until I have made at least 15 posts. If you'd like to see the post I'd be happy to share it just to clarify - send me a VM/PM on here or Serebiiforums.

As I said though, I do agree that some of the ruling in the debate forum specifically is a bit silly, and am most certainly looking into it. I apologise for not looking into this sooner but sadly this is the first time it's been brought to my attention.

Edit; Just saw that two moderators had asked for the discussion to be brought to a close while I was posting, so I do apologise for going against what you've said. I figure that what I've said needed to be said though. So yeah.

 

[Ascaris]

Ah human nature, how I keep forgetting thee. You're exaggerating A LOT. Almost all mods don't do that, and the ones that do get dealt with. The amount of members who do that is also significantly less than you portray it.

When you've just admitted that you don't know much of what goes on in your forum this statement doesn't hold much ground.

But enough. I'm done arguing as it's not likely to change anything and it's a waste of both of our times.

EDIT: You're right, Josh, I think I am overdramatising things a bit. I apologise.

 

[Serebii]

I may not know everything that goes on, but I know enough. I do generally browse the forums from time to time and see the stuff happening in it for the most part.

You think PPN knows everything going on here?

 

[ShinjisLover]

Serebii, can you please, please stop going on about this? D= It's not getting any of us anywhere if you two keep arguing back and forth. Besides, Ascaris already said he'd stop. Can you please do the same? =(

I, personally, like your site, but not your forums. The only Pokémon forums I actually like are PC and. . Err. . That's it. XD

 

[Cherrim]

Right so... looks like things seem to be coming to a close on this argument but if there's one more direct complaint about SPPf, I'm locking this. Seriously guys, just drop it. Let this thread be more general than specific.

I'd be locking this now but it DOES seem like the major offenders are backing off so... one more try?

 

[BeachBoy]

This is something I wasn't aware of, and neither was Joe until you proved him wrong in this very thread. First of all I'd like to say well done on proving him wrong, it's always funny when he's wrong. Second of all I'd like to make an apology on behalf of the mod that sent out the infraction and inform you that the rules are currentley being rewritten by myself to be a bit more in the style of how I choose to moderate - fairly and lenient.

The wikipedia rule is, I do agree, absolutely ridiculous, and it is the single rule that spurred myself and Serebii into action on this. Originally I was just going to re-write the rules myself and have them posted today, however we've decided a better course of action would be for me to write my new rules and then have a quick discussion with Babylon, who currentley mods debates, and see his own input - only fair really. Ultimately he does know the section more than I do (though I hate to admit it) and his input will be valued. You can expect the new rules to be up in the debate forum within the next week, however as I said, I do apologise for any trouble caused by me just letting Babylon do what he wants in there. Obviously it's caused a bit of "what the hell is going on."

Thank you, and that's great to hear, it's always a pleasure to see changes in the right direction. Good luck, JoshYEAH~

Now, jumping off the back-and-forth baloney and back to the cake at hand...

Strict forums, in general, aren't my cup of tea, so I steer clear. Have I joined a strict forum? No. (And no, I do not consider PC strict whatsoever) I prefer to scope things out before eagerly rushing to the register button. (Although I can't lie, I have joined one or two just to see how insane some measures are pushed XD) I just don't see a point with me killing my time on strict forums when it'd hamper the purpose of forums for me, a fun escape.

There are plenty of Nazi-rule-like forums out there, but I just avoid them. If I recall correctly, I did see a forum a lonnngggg time ago that infracted people for talking to staff without permission. (Perhaps a false "don't harass staff rule"?) But hey, I found it funny. XD

 

[Ascaris]

I once joined a forum which was a total copy of PC. The admin didn't take any suggestions and banned anyone who criticised his forum -_-;