HeraT-TarVapoLax Combo

[Moist Bander]

HeraT-TarGenSorDos Combo

Changes in BOLD.

The Team:
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The lead:

Heracross@Choice Scarf
252 atk/252 spe/6 hp
Adamant Nature
Guts
- Megahorn
- Stone Edge
- Close Combat
- Toxic

Heracross is probably one of the deadliest leads out there, except for banded tyranitar and other non-anti leads. This thing packs 383 attacking power and 403 speed, outrunning most non-scarfed leads. Toxic looks laughable on this set, but actually can stall gliscor/etc and have a chance for T-Tar to step in and D-Dance once or twice for a possible sweep. Megahorn is for obvious STAB, killing Cressilia, Azelf, etc. Stone Edge is for Gyarados and salamence. Close Combat is also another STAB move that makes blissey scared of heracross.

Tyranitar@Life Orb
252 atk/252 spe/6 SpD
Jolly Nature
Sand Stream
- Dragon Dance
- Earthquake
- Crunch
- Ice Beam

Tyranitar DDancer. Life orb is too get in extra damage, while Sand Stream boosts it's Special Defence, which is why the 6 SpD are present. Dragon Dance for boosting and sweeping, Earthquake too take out most Steel/Electric/Fire/etc types, crunch for annoying psychics, and Ice Beam is too kill Gliscor unexpectedly because Gliscor walls my heracross completely. Also, It can resist Fire and Psychic attacks trying to be thrown at Heracross, walls fire types from forretress, and also blocks Gengar from being psychic'd aswell.

Vaporeon@Leftovers
252 hp/252 def/6 SpD
Bold Nature
Water Absorb
- Surf
- Ice Beam
- Wish
- Protect

Wish Vapo wish a twist, no Special Attack evs. I thought I would just go all defensive and ice beam is for killing mostly garchomp and protecting on outrages for confusion. Protect is for wish recovery and the strat. above, while surf is STAB wearing down most defense walls. I thought my team would come in really well with some wish support, so here it is. Oh, and this isn't a gyara-counter version, because I thought my team could take care of gyarados effeciently already.

Zapdos@leftovers
252 hp/252 SpD/4Def
Calm Nature
- HP Ice
- Thunder Bolt
- Roost
- Substitute

This zapdos replaced my snorlax, as it's typing, and defences are more superior too snorlax's. HP ice for more coverage on dragons, T-Bolt for STAB, Roost for recovery, and a free substitute on the switch can help quite a bit in the walling process. No status, and it can make any attack aware and not KO'ing Zapdos.

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Snorlax@Leftovers
244 hp/28 def/236 SpD
Sassy Nature
Thick Fat
- Rest
- Sleep Talk
- Body Slam
- Fire Blast

Snorlax is my special wall, as you can see. Rest + Sleep Talk is for status absorbing, which my team might have trouble with if Heracross is down. Body Slam is too send out some para too my opponents of my own, and Fire Blast is purely for Skarmory doing max of 58%. Nothing too say more about this guy, but I usually hate Blissey or Bronzong, so I wanted to be different.

Gliscor@Leftovers
252 hp/176 def/76 spe
Impish Nature
Sand Veil
- Ice Fang
- Roost
- Earthquake
- Stealth Rock

This replaced my old forretress. As it is superior in defences, still sets up rocks, and it still damn annoying in a sandstorm. Ice Fang for Garchomp, Roost for recovery, EQ for STAB, and SR for setting up rocks to still get some damage on my oppenents.

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Forretress@Shed Shell
252 hp/128 def/130 SpD
Relaxed Nature
Sturdy
- Spikes
- Stealth Rock
- Rapid Spin
- Gyro Ball

Forrestress is mainly filler and a rapid spinner. The shed shell is for magnezone that would otherwise kill my forretress, and I don't need leftovers because the sandstorm doesn't kill me. Spikes/Stealth Rock for switch in damage, rapid spin for rapid spinning, and gyro ball for fast opponents.. *yawn*.

Gengar@Choice Scarf
252 Sp. Atk/252 spe/6 hp
Timid Nature
Levitate
- HP ice
- Focus Blast
- Shadow Ball
- Thunder Bolt

This gengar supports more of dragon coverage, and outruns DDance Gyarados, which can lead my team into trouble. This is also my special sweeper, basically outspeeding almost everything except Deoxys-E.

That's my team, please rate it!

 

[dark_seeker]

i dont think you should use ttar
it will wip up a sandstorm which may lead to your fall
only one other pokemon is immune to the storm on your team
or
change another poke who is immune to sandstorm so its a half sand storm team

 

[Angelic Diablo]

Sleep Talk on Heracross seems odd to me, your choiced for one, so if you opt for Sleep Talk on a Bronzong chances are he knows your gonna sleep talk even before he hypnotises you, since 403 beats out 91

Also the reason Vaporeon carries Sp Atk EVs is to kill Garchomp. So your strategy is flawed there as well.

 

[BeachBoy]

i dont think you should use ttar
it will wip up a sandstorm which may lead to your fall
only one other pokemon is immune to the storm on your team
or
change another poke who is immune to sandstorm so its a half sand storm team

I don't see how losing T-Tar improves the team. Well, he has a Restalker, wish support, so 6% from sandstorm isn't really going to slap "fail" on it, in my opinion. T-tar absorbs some attacks directed at Gengar / Heracross as he mentioned, helps Heracross with more of an opportunity for absorbing Will-o-Wisp, and two leftovers on two Pocket Monsters makes Sand Storm fail to touch them, and maybe hurt the opposing team in the process, and Tyranitar provides support in disabling other weather. Also lures out Gliscor and destroys it rather effectively, so Heracross can have some fun. (even if choiced) So, yeah, correct me if I'm wrong, but I think Tyranitar isn't that detrimental to the team.

Also, give solutions in more detail when rating a team. How said changes can improve the team and so forth.

As for your team, Moist. Mmm, I'm not sure how effective that Gengar is in today's fast paced, slaughter everything game. ScarfGar is pretty effective these days and is crawling on teams anyway, maybe even try Deoxys-Speed if you want help in destroying offensive teams. Anyway, ScarfGar helps in taking care of Gyarados even more and hidden power [ice] helps with revenge killing dragons and such as Salamence and Garchomp. All in all, I just feel ScarfGar provides more for the team. I know Heracross also helps with revenge killing and also has a scarf, but two effective revenge killers doesn't really hurt in today's game, I rather find it helpful. But, eh, just my two cents, try it out and see how things go. My apologies for not giving a full rate.

 

[Aquilae]

Hmm, quite a massive Gyarados weakness, basically your whole team is outsped and KOed after a Dragon Dance except Heracross which isn't a reliable switchin anyway. I would place Hidden Power [Electric] on Vaporeon in place of Ice Beam, because Vaporeon cannot counter Dragons even with Wish and Protect, but it makes a great Gyarados counter.

To me Forretress and Snorlax seem redundant - they don't really help against the threats you are most weak to - Gengar for one. So I would recommend in place of Snorlax a specially defensive Zapdos -

Zapdos @ Leftovers
Calm, 252 HP / 252 SpD / 4 Def

Thunderbolt
Hidden Power [Ice]
Roost
Toxic / Substitute / U-turn

Next, Forrtress serves as your Weavile and Tyranitar counter, but I don't really see the need for it over another sweeper as Vaporeon handles Weavile well and you don't need Spikes as your goal is to set up a sweep for DDtar / Hera. I would recommend a Gliscor over it -

Gliscor @ Leftovers
Impish, 252 HP / 176 Def / 76 Spe

Roost
Earthquake
Ice Fang
Stealth Rock / Swords Dance

I don't find SubPetaya Gengar viable, in general the Life Orb set hits everything harder, faster. Go with Hypnosis over Substitute, and use a Life Orb in place of Petaya Berry.

 

[Moist Bander]

I don't see how losing T-Tar improves the team. Well, he has a Restalker, wish support, so 6% from sandstorm isn't really going to slap "fail" on it, in my opinion. T-tar absorbs some attacks directed at Gengar / Heracross as he mentioned, helps Heracross with more of an opportunity for absorbing Will-o-Wisp, and two leftovers on two Pocket Monsters makes Sand Storm fail to touch them, and maybe hurt the opposing team in the process, and Tyranitar provides support in disabling other weather. Also lures out Gliscor and destroys it rather effectively, so Heracross can have some fun. (even if choiced) So, yeah, correct me if I'm wrong, but I think Tyranitar isn't that detrimental to the team.

Also, give solutions in more detail when rating a team. How said changes can improve the team and so forth.

As for your team, Moist. Mmm, I'm not sure how effective that Gengar is in today's fast paced, slaughter everything game. ScarfGar is pretty effective these days and is crawling on teams anyway, maybe even try Deoxys-Speed if you want help in destroying offensive teams. Anyway, ScarfGar helps in taking care of Gyarados even more and hidden power [ice] helps with revenge killing dragons and such as Salamence and Garchomp. All in all, I just feel ScarfGar provides more for the team. I know Heracross also helps with revenge killing and also has a scarf, but two effective revenge killers doesn't really hurt in today's game, I rather find it helpful. But, eh, just my two cents, try it out and see how things go. My apologies for not giving a full rate.

It's definatly ok. I can tell you have contributed your best to my own team, so I give you kudos. (sorry if that makes me sound like a cocky douche bag, hahaha).

And I might actually just use choice scarf gengar, as it covers gyarados. hmmm

Hmm, quite a massive Gyarados weakness, basically your whole team is outsped and KOed after a Dragon Dance except Heracross which isn't a reliable switchin anyway. I would place Hidden Power [Electric] on Vaporeon in place of Ice Beam, because Vaporeon cannot counter Dragons even with Wish and Protect, but it makes a great Gyarados counter.

To me Forretress and Snorlax seem redundant - they don't really help against the threats you are most weak to - Gengar for one. So I would recommend in place of Snorlax a specially defensive Zapdos -

Zapdos @ Leftovers
Calm, 252 HP / 252 SpD / 4 Def

Thunderbolt
Hidden Power [Ice]
Roost
Toxic / Substitute / U-turn

Next, Forrtress serves as your Weavile and Tyranitar counter, but I don't really see the need for it over another sweeper as Vaporeon handles Weavile well and you don't need Spikes as your goal is to set up a sweep for DDtar / Hera. I would recommend a Gliscor over it -

Gliscor @ Leftovers
Impish, 252 HP / 176 Def / 76 Spe

Roost
Earthquake
Ice Fang
Stealth Rock / Swords Dance

I don't find SubPetaya Gengar viable, in general the Life Orb set hits everything harder, faster. Go with Hypnosis over Substitute, and use a Life Orb in place of Petaya Berry.

Hmm, I really never thought of a SpD Zapdos, that can probably get KO'd by an earthquake if it uses roost the same turn.. plus ice weaknesses isn't very great in my opinion at all. Tyranitar wasn't mentioned with the "counters" of gliscor, so I don't see much too add into gliscor. It can basically add my weaknesses too tyrani-boah, which is basically what I have aswell.

 

[Dark Azelf]

Agreeing on what Aquilae said.


I actually dont think you have a Boah weakness, boah usually run ice Beam OR Thunderbolt.

- If it uses Ice Beam vappy lol's at it.

- If it uses T-Bolt Gliscor does great against it and zapdos stalls it out.


I honestly think Toxic >> Sleep Talk on Hera would do the world of good here , as it deals with most common switch ins and will help break down walls aka You Toxic a Hippowdon or Gliscor or what not, Tyranitar can then take advantage of that by making it an easy sweep and coping with Toxic damage and said attacks each time it comes in, means it wont be walling for long, something to consider ^__^.


Saying Zapdos has an Ice Weakness is a very poor reason for not using it, as is saying Roost on a predicted eq =/ <--- Cant you just switch to vappy or predict it respectively ?


If you are that scared, use Rest Talk Zappy (who can fit in nicely anyways if you remove sleep talk from Hera).


Zapdos@leftovers
252 HP / 252 SP.DEF / 6 Def
Calm Nature
- Rest
- Sleep Talk
- Hidden power Ice
- Thunderbolt / Discharge

 

[Moist Bander]

Agreeing on what Aquilae said.


I actually dont think you have a Boah weakness, boah usually run ice Beam OR Thunderbolt.

- If it uses Ice Beam vappy lol's at it.

- If it uses T-Bolt Gliscor does great against it and zapdos stalls it out.


I honestly think Toxic >> Sleep Talk on Hera would do the world of good here , as it deals with most common switch ins and will help break down walls aka You Toxic a Hippowdon or Gliscor or what not, Tyranitar can then take advantage of that by making it an easy sweep and coping with Toxic damage and said attacks each time it comes in, means it wont be walling for long, something to consider ^__^.


Saying Zapdos has an Ice Weakness is a very poor reason for not using it, as it saying Roost on a predicted eq =/ <--- Cant you just switch to vappy or predict it respectively ?


If you are that scared, use Rest Talk Zappy (who can fit in nicely anyways if you remove sleep talk from Hera).


Zapdos@leftovers
252 HP / 252 SP.DEF / 6 Def
Calm Nature
- Rest
- Sleep Talk
- Hidden power Ice
- Thunderbolt / Discharge

Huh, I honestly can't believe I never though of that. I guess that IS what I should put in. Anyway, you have respective logic on toxic over sleep talk, because 1. sleep talk is almost never used anyway, and 2. I love a chance to sweep with T-Tar. Thanks a lot, D_A.

 

[ABYAY]

D_A, as Anti said, you make Choice Pokemon look Taunt-weak. lol

But in seriousness, Toxic actually makes enough sense with the info given. Your team can really rampage if their Gliscor is taken out slowly and effectively.

Everyone has suggested what can be said (more than I can give), but this looks as a promising team with the changes suggested.

 

[Moist Bander]

Yup, all changes have been adjusted. Thanks a lot guys, this is really what I wanted.

 

[ABYAY]

You planning to use HP Electric on Vaporeon to help counter Gyarados better? It seems to cause you problems should you let it get 2 DDs...however, I do admit the rarity of such a situation.

One question going through my mind; is this a Shoddybattle team or a Diamond/Pearl team?

 

[Moist Bander]

Well, It's now a shoddy team but its going to become a D/P team on my pearl. I've been trying to create a good team for it for ages.