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How Much Are We Going To Do In Alola?

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    First, before I begin, may I just point out how big Alola is compared to your character? I mean, from what we're playing as, the region looks huge. May I also mention the Alola map?

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    I don't know if it's just me or not, but I feel that this might be our longest journey yet. I mean we start off on Melemele island and it's been confirmed that we have to defeat more than 4 captains, quests set by the captains, totem Pokemon, and the Kahunas. We also have legendaries, an evil team( if we have one) and other questions that need answers(like Zygarde).

    It's also speculated that because we don't have a traditional gym system here that we might be going back to Kalos. So that got me wondering... how long is this game and how much are we possibly going to do in this region? How will that affect us in the initial gameplay? Do you think it'll be longer or shorter?
     
    For the 20th anniversary games, we better get endless content that will last us until the games after these.
     
    I wish people wouldn't perpetuate the whole "we're going back to Kalos!!" rumour. None of that is proven yet, or even so much as hinted. I feel this rumour is more or less perpetuated by disillusioned X/Y players that want some sort of an actual good ending to the series instead of what they actually got which was a hot mess.

    What we going to do in Kalos, anyway? What's the point in going back? What does AZ or anything X/Y has have to do with the character of Alola? Just because it's been hinted about in X/Y (a VERY vague hint, at that), doesn't mean the regions will be connected in the slightest, or that you'll even travel there.

    And even if Game Freak somehow manages to squeeze in Kalos, I'll bet that they'll only be able to fit in a small part of it, making it redundant to do it anyway, because what's the point of tying up loose ends in Kalos if you can only expore a small part of it in the first place?

    I think there's enough evidence by just the culture and general feel of Sun & Moon that it's going to be its own region and not tied to any other region in particular.

    Aside from that, I hope we have a long journey. Makes the exploration worth it.
    Well, Alola and Kalos already have straightforward ties with Zygarde.

    And I'm sure Kalos could fit in the game, as the biggest 3DS cartridges have 8 GB, which is more than enough. Whether or not GF is actually willing to remake Kalos to put in Sun and Moon is the biggest hindrance.
     
    I wish people wouldn't perpetuate the whole "we're going back to Kalos!!" rumour. None of that is proven yet, or even so much as hinted. I feel this rumour is more or less perpetuated by disillusioned X/Y players that want some sort of an actual good ending to the series instead of what they actually got which was a hot mess.

    What we going to do in Kalos, anyway? What's the point in going back? What does AZ or anything X/Y has have to do with the character of Alola? Just because it's been hinted about in X/Y (a VERY vague hint, at that), doesn't mean the regions will be connected in the slightest, or that you'll even travel there.

    And even if Game Freak somehow manages to squeeze in Kalos, I'll bet that they'll only be able to fit in a small part of it, making it redundant to do it anyway, because what's the point of tying up loose ends in Kalos if you can only explore a small part of it in the first place?

    I personally agree with this as well. Why should we go back? Kalos is not a bad region, but it feels lackluster. I honestly think the only reason people want to go back to Kalos is because they aren't getting their shiny gym badge XD. I feel that people are still salty about not having the usual gyms so their making excuses to go back to face a league.

    I admit X and Y had things that needed to be answered such as Zygarde and some parts involving AZ and Lysandre( seriously, what happened to them after all that crap?) But I agree, I would absolutely HATE it if they shoved another region's problems down our throat. I mean, leave Alola alone. Can't we just have one region with focus on only their lore? We did that with Black and White and that turned out great.

    I feel you. Gamefreak might only include Kalos as small post-game material(like Rayquaza in ORAS) I don't expect it to be huge, but not very little. However, I hope they incorporate it well so it doesn't feel like, "Yeah, Kalos happened so......here?"
     
    Longer isn't always better. The captains described thus far seem to give the player tasks such as a fetch quest and a simple "point out the differences" puzzle. So depending on how these Island Trials are handled, it could feel like a long, drawn-out slog rather than a fun, expansive adventure. I mean, people normally don't like fetch quests, right?

    So I'm sure the game will feel long simply due to the size of the region. But whether it's a fun kind of long or a repetitive kind of long (think of RSE's Hoenn being half water, but with Gym challenges instead) has yet to be seen.

    There's also a matter of difficulty. If all the challenges we face are easy, even the longest of games can be completed quickly. Likewise, the post-game content being more than just online battles could still prove to be an important factor of the longevity of the games regardless of the size of the region.

    I wish people wouldn't perpetuate the whole "we're going back to Kalos!!" rumour. None of that is proven yet, or even so much as hinted. I feel this rumour is more or less perpetuated by disillusioned X/Y players that want some sort of an actual good ending to the series instead of what they actually got which was a hot mess.
    If we won't go to Kalos, I think Kalos is going to come to us. Zygarde is very much a Kalosian Pokémon and it is very much shaped like a Z. Why wait until now to implement its forms, why bother having a very Yggdrasil-like tree in the middle of Hawaii, and why name these Jojo Stand Attacks "Z-Moves" when we haven't seen a single one that starts with the letter Z? There's a connection here somewhere, and even if it doesn't manifest as a visit back to Kalos, it's gonna manifest somehow.

    What we going to do in Kalos, anyway? What's the point in going back? What does AZ or anything X/Y has have to do with the character of Alola?
    We can go shopping. Don't people normally visit other countries for the sole purpose of shopping? (I meant this as a joke but the more I think about it the more serious it actually seems... I don't know if that's a good thing or not...)

    And if SM take place after XY, visiting Kalos would be more like having a whole new game, with very few of the older characters actually returning. Just because XY was bad doesn't mean Kalos is completely impossible to revamp. Anything can be revamped.

    And I don't know what AZ has to do with Alola but I know Zygarde has something to do with it and I want to know what.

    And even if Game Freak somehow manages to squeeze in Kalos, I'll bet that they'll only be able to fit in a small part of it, making it redundant to do it anyway, because what's the point of tying up loose ends in Kalos if you can only expore a small part of it in the first place?
    Not inherently. It's definitely possible, even moreso if they finally utilize the larger-sized 3DS cartridges. Pokémon games have never been very data-heavy.

    I think there's enough evidence by just the culture and general feel of Sun & Moon that it's going to be its own region and not tied to any other region in particular.
    As of now there seems to be a lot of Kanto pandering going on. With that, and the suspicious nomenclature of "Z-Moves," I can't help but feel Alola isn't going to just exist in a bubble, despite the unique "culture" they're trying to give it.

    I admit X and Y had things that needed to be answered such as Zygarde and some parts involving AZ and Lysandre( seriously, what happened to them after all that crap?) But I agree, I would absolutely HATE it if they shoved another region's problems down our throat. I mean, leave Alola alone. Can't we just have one region with focus on only their lore? We did that with Black and White and that turned out great.
    I'm gonna be honest with you. I've never met another person who genuinely felt that way about BW's handling of "cutting itself off" from other gens. I really, truly appreciate this.

    But at the same time, I will say this: there's already a lot of gen 1 pandering going on here, and these Alolians or whatever they call themselves dared to use the Mighty Letter Z to name their Final Smash Attacks. They're the ones getting into other peoples' business!
     
    That's not what I meant, though. I'm sure they can fit another region in the game technically, but would it make sense to do it? If your only evidence is Zygarde, then, to me, that's not really reason enough or even evidence period that we may travel to Kalos. A bunch of Sinnoh and Unova legendaries were catchable in OR/AS, did that mean that we got to travel from Hoenn to Sinnoh, or to Unova? Of course not. It could mean the very same thing in this scenario, and until there's a trailer otherwise or otherwise that explicitly says we can, I'm still very skeptical leaning on heavily doubtful that it's ever going to happen.



    I understand why people are disappointed in Kalos, but that doesn't mean that we should explore Kalos again for the sake of going through the same (if not similar) story again, for the satisfaction of some people who might not have liked their journey the first time around. I doubt Sun & Moon is going to be a makeshift Pokemon Z or some sequel to Kalos; it's going to be its own region, its own identity, with its own people, Pokemon, and culture, and tossing Kalos into that is going to throw the whole thing off-kilter.
    The difference between the legends catchable in ORAS is that they're not gonna have a plot role like Zygarde is in Sun and Moon.

    Also, it was said that they're gonna finish Kalos' story in a unique way, so on top of Zygarde I highly doubt Alola has no ties to Kalos, return or no return.
     
    Longer isn't always better. The captains described thus far seem to give the player tasks such as a fetch quest and a simple "point out the differences" puzzle. So depending on how these Island Trials are handled, it could feel like a long, drawn-out slog rather than a fun, expansive adventure. I mean, people normally don't like fetch quests, right?

    So I'm sure the game will feel long simply due to the size of the region. But whether it's a fun kind of long or a repetitive kind of long (think of RSE's Hoenn being half water, but with Gym challenges instead) has yet to be seen.

    There's also a matter of difficulty. If all the challenges we face are easy, even the longest of games can be completed quickly. Likewise, the post-game content being more than just online battles could still prove to be an important factor of the longevity of the games regardless of the size of the region.


    I'm gonna be honest with you. I've never met another person who genuinely felt that way about BW's handling of "cutting itself off" from other gens. I really, truly appreciate this.

    But at the same time, I will say this: there's already a lot of gen 1 pandering going on here, and these Alolians or whatever they call themselves dared to use the Mighty Letter Z to name their Final Smash Attacks. They're the ones getting into other peoples' business!

    That's one of my main concerns as well. It's clear that Length=/= Quality. If Pokemon is changing the formula a bit I hope they implement it in a way that feels natural. I would hate it if SUMO turned into "Here is the first quest, battle, Here the second quest, battle and repeat" over and over. I suspect there might be mini games to do based on the quests which could be very fun, but I'm not absolutely certain on it. Unlike most people, I really don't mind fetch quests as long as it has some sort of fun factor to it or purpose, but I see why people dislike them.

    I agree, compared to the character, the region is going to probably be huge. I hope it isn't very annoying though. I expect some iota of challenge after X and Y's Champion thoroughly disappointed me. To be honest, I don't know how post game stuff will fly, but hopefully it's more than what we got in the original Black and White.

    As a side note, I'm glad that we're both on the same page about Black and White cutting itself off. Personally, I'm in love with that idea. I have a whole new region to myself to frolic about in with new Pokemon. It's just my cup of tea. After the game was released so many people complained about the game not having other region Pokemon and that there was only focus on Black and White Pokemon and my response is "Yeah...that's kind of the point." You are in a new region with over 100's of new pokemon, Legendaries whose roles varies in each game, and you complain about your precious prev-gen pokemon not being in the game? Yeah...I didn't buy that. Black and White had a lot more to offer than most Pokemon games in my honest opinion.
     
    Zygarde itself is not enough proof to determine whether or not we're going to travel to Kalos. Consider the fact that we haven't travelled to another region since Gen II, and only because Johto was locked with Kanto geographically. You can make the argument that nowadays, there's a number of ways we could travel to past regions (plane, boat, using a Pokemon to flipping teleport there, etc), but if it was that easy, why didn't Game Freak implement something like this in every generation?

    And Z-moves are really cherry-picking, if I'm going to be honest. They probably have some loose connection to Zygarde, but not much other than that, and even that's a stretch.



    There's really nothing to do in Kalos, I'm goint be honest. Of course, we're going to disagree, there.



    "A whole new game" with what new components? You argue that anything can be revamped, but revamped with what? What can you revamp Kalos with that makes it feel like a whole new region? This is why I feel skeptical that we're going to travel back there, because there's no real evidence that we're going to. Very loose connections exist if you want to cherry-pick hard enough, yeah, but nothing definitive, because past legendaries existing in new generations is not a new thing in the slightest.



    Well, we'll see, depending on whether or not any other trailers would feature any of Zygarde's purpose in the plot, or whether or not they gave it two forms for ****s and giggles that have no bearing on the plot.




    Wasn't referring to technicality. I was referring to logical feasability. Do you think they'd really arbitrarily shove a whole region in another game just because? Which is why I said even if we could travel back to Kalos, I'd expect us to travel to a few cities/areas and that would be the extent of it. Don't hold your breath for S&M to be X2 and Y2, because chances are it won't.




    Eh. I'd hesitate about saying anything about whether the region itself is particularly biased towards any specific regional Pokemon without knowing the actual Pokedex and whether or not most of it derives from a specific region. Just because so far we've seen a lot of Kanto Pokemon doesn't really mean that other Pokemon from other generations won't get similar treatment.

    And even if Alola didn't exist in some bubble contray to what the culture of the game is attempting to imply (going by trailers, this seems to be very culture-heavy), I don't see what connection that has with Kalos.

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    Like, seriously. I don't mean any rudeness, but I'm going to be honest: I truly feel like some people who are pushing Kalos hard enough and are trying to connect dots where there are barely any dots to connect are fans that are (understandably) pissed with the direction X/Y went, and feel that Sun & Moon are the supposedly X2 and Y2 in different clothing or something, which is a really radical conclusion to make simply based on apparent coincidences.

    I can very well be wrong about all this, and that's fine, I'm not saying it's utterly impossible, just highly, highly unlikely.



    What plot role is Zygarde going to have in Sun & Moon? Where was it said that it was going to have a plot role at all? The trailer promotion its forms said nothing of the sort, and there was nothing implied afterwards. I was under the impression that Zygarde was an Island Guardian of some sort, but with the reveal of Tapu Koko as the first one, I'm starting to think it'll probably be shoved to the wayside.
    If I recall, during E3 the guys said Zygarde's story would be finished in a "special way". (And they also said the exact thing about how they'd tie off XY's story in a unique way.)

    And just saying, we practically had no reason to return to Kanto in GSC/HGSS, at least here there's something.
     
    That's fine, but finishing Zygarde's story separately is totally different from traveling to a past region. Do we absolutely need to travel to Kalos to tie up loose ends regarding Zygarde? Why can't Zygarde's story be finished in Alola?

    And as I said before, Johto and Kanto are locked geographically and didn't have massive differences culturally, so that made sense.
    We could finish it in Alola, but it doesn't really make sense to do so for a Pokémon that's from Kalos.

    And I don't really think that being nearby is an any better justification than story purposes.
     
    And Z-moves are really cherry-picking, if I'm going to be honest. They probably have some loose connection to Zygarde, but not much other than that, and even that's a stretch.
    I dunno. The Z-Stone or whatever appears in the Japanese logos as did the Mega Evolution helix in XY's; in XY, they tried to make Mega Evolution a major plot point. If Z-Moves turn out to be major in a similar way (I think it's a safe assumption to make, since the Items are on the logos), I wouldn't call it "cherry-picking."

    "A whole new game" with what new components? You argue that anything can be revamped, but revamped with what? What can you revamp Kalos with that makes it feel like a whole new region? This is why I feel skeptical that we're going to travel back there, because there's no real evidence that we're going to. Very loose connections exist if you want to cherry-pick hard enough, yeah, but nothing definitive, because past legendaries existing in new generations is not a new thing in the slightest.
    I only say "revamp" because I know you in particular feel Kalos has no redeemable features. I, on the other hand, don't feel it needs a hard revamp, but you could rework routes, cities, add appropriate facilities (such as a derivative of PokéStar Studios)... and reworked characters should honestly be the easiest part. Although, if turning Gyms into fetch quests as opposed to straightforward Gyms is what people think "pulling out all the stops" entails, maybe this will seem too ambitious.

    Wasn't referring to technicality. I was referring to logical feasability. Do you think they'd really arbitrarily shove a whole region in another game just because? Which is why I said even if we could travel back to Kalos, I'd expect us to travel to a few cities/areas and that would be the extent of it. Don't hold your breath for S&M to be X2 and Y2, because chances are it won't.
    Well to me, adding content for the sake of having a game with content, as long as it's good, is a good enough reason--some people may see it as "just because," but it's something I appreciate.

    Eh. I'd hesitate about saying anything about whether the region itself is particularly biased towards any specific regional Pokemon without knowing the actual Pokedex and whether or not most of it derives from a specific region. Just because so far we've seen a lot of Kanto Pokemon doesn't really mean that other Pokemon from other generations won't get similar treatment.
    It's too soon to tell, but it's definitely something people have been noticing. Alola is its "own region" with its "own Pokémon" when not only is Yungoos lore-wise not from Alola, but its introduced the concept of recolored and retyped old Pokémon, and it's got another Pokémon that's pretending to be a gen 1 Pokémon because said Pokémon's merchandise was popular... Yeah, Alola has its own culture. It's a culture that takes from other regions, too. It definitely does not exist in a bubble.




    As a side note, I'm glad that we're both on the same page about Black and White cutting itself off. Personally, I'm in love with that idea. I have a whole new region to myself to frolic about in with new Pokemon. It's just my cup of tea. After the game was released so many people complained about the game not having other region Pokemon and that there was only focus on Black and White Pokemon and my response is "Yeah...that's kind of the point." You are in a new region with over 100's of new pokemon, Legendaries whose roles varies in each game, and you complain about your precious prev-gen pokemon not being in the game? Yeah...I didn't buy that. Black and White had a lot more to offer than most Pokemon games in my honest opinion.
    I really did love that about BW... being able to focus on actual new Pokémon and the story (mmmm the story!) was fantastic! But considering Alola has already proven to draw from past generations (namely gen 1) that cannot apply here. So if Zygarde is meant to play a role in SM (I really think there's more than just coincidences backing this up) there's definitely going to be a connection to Kalos here. Whether that's a more spiritual connection or a physical "go to Kalos" connection is up for debate, but I'm convinced there's going to be something.
     
    Or maybe it's possible that Zygarde has stronger ties to Alola than it does to Kalos, despite being a Pokemon that, regionally, is from Kalos. :o

    Well, I've provided my possible reasons, but I'd like to hear your justification for the first two regions being able to interact with each other. I mean, it makes sense to do because again, they're not massively different culturally and they're right next to each other, which isn't really applicable in Alola, and distance won't stop Game Freak from implementing a plane or a boat that can travel to other regions in past generations, so what gives?
    If it has greater ties to Alola then why would it have been introduced in Kalos...?

    And I'm not really sure what you're asking in the second part.
     
    First of all, there are tons of pokemon that can be found in regions other then their own.

    Second, we were just at kalos, and we won't be going there again anytime soon.

    Also I agree with colours, there's really nothing much to do there. Shopping? We know customization is coming back so there will likely be shops like that in alola. Sure there's one or two shops that probably won't return, such as the poke ball store, but they could easily shove that inside a department store.

    Although I could be biased as kalos is my least favorite region ATM.
     
    I said it has possibly stronger ties with Alola than it does with Kalos, not that it DOESNT have any ties with Kalos. Is it impossible that a Pokemon can't have more than one role to play?



    If you think my reasoning is incorrect as to why Johto and Kanto are travellable, why don't you offer a better explanation? That was what I was getting at, but don't worry about it, but that's far past the topic at hand.
    I never said it doesn't have any ties to Kalos, it just doesn't make much sense for a Pokémon to have stronger ties to a region that's not even its place of origin.

    As for the Kanto and Johto thing, might as well answer it: I think it was just for the sake of going back.
     
    (First Post, Hey!) To comment on the Gen 1/2 connections, the plot was also very heavily intertwined between the two regions. Professor Oak appears very early on, as well as Team Rocket of course. Gen 1 & 2 were naturally destined to melt into each other. The same connections can't be Seen with Gen 6 & 7, generally speaking. Especially Geographically.
     
    Just a quick question... am I like the only person who was okay with the endings of X&Y? I like open endedness, and I felt like the story was good enough.

    But I thought it was fanon (or maybe canon) that Lysandre's dead as dead can be in Y, but in X he has a fate worse than death by being immortal under a pile of rocks? And the rest of the heros were also immortal due to being exposed to the weapon?
     
    (First Post, Hey!) To comment on the Gen 1/2 connections, the plot was also very heavily intertwined between the two regions. Professor Oak appears very early on, as well as Team Rocket of course. Gen 1 & 2 were naturally destined to melt into each other. The same connections can't be Seen with Gen 6 & 7, generally speaking. Especially Geographically.
    Well, we don't know everything about Alola yet. For all we know there could be further connections to Alola and Kalos...

    Just a quick question... am I like the only person who was okay with the endings of X&Y? I like open endedness, and I felt like the story was good enough.

    But I thought it was fanon (or maybe canon) that Lysandre's dead as dead can be in Y, but in X he has a fate worse than death by being immortal under a pile of rocks? And the rest of the heros were also immortal due to being exposed to the weapon?
    Not the only one, I liked XY as well. The main reason I wanna go back to it is so we can finish off Zygarde's story properly.
     
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    Well, we don't know everything about Alola yet. For all we know there could be further connections to Alola and Kalos...
    It all goes back to how I said Kalos will have colonies as I have said prior, since France owned Vietnam. What's inherent in Vietnam? Sinocentric influence mixed with French influence. There aren't Chinese-like dragons with no wings in French folklore, although Zygarde is probably based on Nordic influences, I'm seeing the possibility of it happening. We're not merely getting a Kanto-esque rehash where we go to Kalos. We're likely going to have the option of flying or boating to the Pokemon world equivalent of Vietnam in the post-game.

    Unless I'm proven wrong and we literally can fly to Kalos.
     
    It all goes back to how I said Kalos will have colonies as I have said prior, since France owned Vietnam. What's inherent in Vietnam? Sinocentric influence mixed with French influence. There aren't Chinese-like dragons with no wings in French folklore, although Zygarde is probably based on Nordic influences, I'm seeing the possibility of it happening. We're not merely getting a Kanto-esque rehash where we go to Kalos. We're likely going to have the option of flying or boating to the Pokemon world equivalent of Vietnam in the post-game.

    Unless I'm proven wrong and we literally can fly to Kalos.
    Wouldn't it be kind of weird to have two new regions in one game, though?
     
    I mean, it's possible that zygardes origin region is actually alola, and that it just appeared in kalos? That could be an interesting plot twist.

    Also, regarding the OP, the map may be big, but don't forget there weren't even enough cities for a proper gym system, and people were saying how short the routes were.
     
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