How we came into being??

Dark Magician

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    Hello, I haven't been here in a so I decided to start out again with something controversial (at least in my point of view.) Well, the question is....

    How did we came into being?
    God?? Big Bang?? Are we clones created by Mewtwo??? You decide.

    Note: Please respect other people's ideas, we may not all believe the same. I would like this thread to remain open as soon as possible so we can all be exposed to different points of view and probably even different cultures. Please do not disrespect others and their believes.
     
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    I have a feeling this thread will get out of hand & locked.
    But I'll add my two cents real quick: creation.
     
    Hmm...how humans came to be...I honestly don't consider it an act of God, per se, but rather an act of some form of a higher being.
    I honestly don't believe there is a God. Just some higher being. And I don't feel that I need a book to tell me to worship said being, either. It's just a being...I don't believe it has a gender, or anything of the sort.
    However, I'm slightly contradictory because I kind of believe that there is a heaven however, I don't believe in a hell. I also believe in purgatory, but I won't go into my reasoning on that (you'd all call me crazy, haha).
    The heaven thing...it's not for sure a heaven by the standard definition (golden streets, angels, etc.) but rather a place we go when we die.
    The reason I don't believe in hell is because the idea of there being a devil is pretty rediculous. I mean, seriously...think about that for a moment. Satan? Lucifer, possibly, but still, I don't think that there would be a hell. This is deducted from how I believe that sending someone there would be more like a reward to Lucifer, ne? As in...he gets to torture people. He likes to torture them, right? Well, if God wanted to punish him (as he did in The Bible), he wouldn't send him to a place where he could gain enjoyment.

    And that's pretty much all of what I think. :/
     
    Please lets not get too much into religion and more on the causes of why you believe that we came into being.
     
    I think with the topic at hand, it is pretty much inevitable that this would lead to religion somehow. Given the circumstances that some people would say "it was God," and other's would say "no, it was something else."
     
    Yes But I was thinking of a conversation more like this:

    EXAMPLE:

    I belive we were created by Flying Dogs from another planet because we all know that flying dogs rule.

    Or

    I believe that we were creatd by God because sientifically blah blah blah



    You see, we do not need to talk about heaven or hell or anything like that. Simply state what you believe and why.
     
    Haha, I suppose you're right.
    Sorry, sir. I just sort of went off on a rant. It's pretty common. XD
     
    I think we came into being by two massive clouds coming together one valentines day, and creating God. Then, he decided they weren't good enough parents, so he made them angry. When he makes them angry they turn grey and tears come out of them, otherwise known as rain. After that, he thought, my parents don't have anything to cry on, so he created earth. Then finally, earth needed junk food. That of course was the humans, which are us. We were created to be the junk food for the earth. And the process of creating us was simple, experimented with one, and then cloned to become the rest of the humans. That's why we're all alike. It's as simple as that. XDD Though, that is the totally fake version of what I believe. XD
     
    I think with the topic at hand, it is pretty much inevitable that this would lead to religion somehow
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    Yea this is going to have something to do with religion but anyways, I have no idea


    :t354:tatsujin gosuto
     
    Evolution, that's almost evident. But we needed something to evolve from, something that had to be created. I believe it was by the "Big Bang" which then raises the question, what/who made the big bang? That's where I believe a higher being could be responsible.
     
    The O Rly Owl said:
    Hmm...how humans came to be...I honestly don't consider it an act of God, per se, but rather an act of some form of a higher being.
    I honestly don't believe there is a God. Just some higher being. And I don't feel that I need a book to tell me to worship said being, either. It's just a being...I don't believe it has a gender, or anything of the sort.
    However, I'm slightly contradictory because I kind of believe that there is a heaven however, I don't believe in a hell. I also believe in purgatory, but I won't go into my reasoning on that (you'd all call me crazy, haha).
    The heaven thing...it's not for sure a heaven by the standard definition (golden streets, angels, etc.) but rather a place we go when we die.
    The reason I don't believe in hell is because the idea of there being a devil is pretty rediculous. I mean, seriously...think about that for a moment. Satan? Lucifer, possibly, but still, I don't think that there would be a hell. This is deducted from how I believe that sending someone there would be more like a reward to Lucifer, ne? As in...he gets to torture people. He likes to torture them, right? Well, if God wanted to punish him (as he did in The Bible), he wouldn't send him to a place where he could gain enjoyment.

    And that's pretty much all of what I think. :/
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    you're a touch off-base on what the Biblical concept of hell is, but this is not the place to discuss that. I'd be happy to discuss it with you via pm or a new thread

    as for my views, I believe in Biblical Creation. whether in a literal 6 day time period, or a figure of speach, it doesn't make much difference as i see it.
    I do not believe in a mix of creationism/evolution as some do (aka God created one-celled organisms that then evolved)

    but me, personally, I was cloned by mewtwo. definitely
     
    It is beyond our comprehension. I would not even dare attempt an explanation.
     
    We're just here, and that's all I need to know. Though as a Shintoist I go with the Shinto creation story, somewhat.
     
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    Okay, well if you're wondering about humans, it IS from evolution. Believe it or not, like it or not; thats what happened and has already been proved scientifically. If you don't believe in this stuff known as science, then you're a little out of date, as science is being proven more right then religion is now-a-days. Also, the big-bang theory has alreayd been proven correct. But there is a slight fault in it when it comes down to pure science; there is the chance that the big bang we know of isn't necessarily the first that has happened, but it could have been fuled by a past one and it has continued to be like that over and over. But with the laws of physics, energy can not be created nor destroyed, so where has the energy originally come from? That NO ONE knows, in which how the universe came into existence.

    However, for all we know *steals the idea from Dark Magician*, that flying dogs crated this universe and made it all seem it was part of science and planted fake evidence or made these things happen to make us believe what I have just explained. You never know. o.O;
     
    Killer-Swift said:
    Okay, well if you're wondering about humans, it IS from evolution. Believe it or not, like it or not; thats what happened and has already been proved scientifically. If you don't believe in this stuff known as science, then you're a little out of date, as science is being proven more right then religion is now-a-days. Also, the big-bang theory has alreayd been proven correct. But there is a slight fault in it when it comes down to pure science; there is the chance that the big bang we know of isn't necessarily the first that has happened, but it could have been fuled by a past one and it has continued to be like that over and over. But with the laws of physics, energy can not be created nor destroyed, so where has the energy originally come from? That NO ONE knows, in which how the universe came into existence.
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    Logically, evolution must happen. We see it happen every day - the deer that is fast enough to escape the wolf survives. But, are you sure about the big bang being proven? No theory that attempts to explain how the universe was created can be proven. It can be a logical theory (even though the big bang isn't, as you studiously mentioned), but there is no way to know how it went down.
     
    Actually it has been explained. My teacher told us about how the planets, debris in space and everything else that exists is moving away from eachother. For ex:

    <----Earth_______________________Some other planet on the other side of the Universe ----->


    The arrows show the direction they are both moving; away from each other. Which means that there was a force that has pushed them away; they gained the momentum/energy to go that way FROM the Big Bang. This means the effect of it happening so many billions/trillions of years ago are still affecting us. There was something else my teacher said, that eventually when everything hits the edge of the universe (or something to that effect @___@) they will all start to head back to the centre again and everything will come together and again create another massive implosion; being another Big Bang; resseting everything that happened. Yes, that means in the long future when everything is repeated, there will be another PC (That is if any of us surive the Big Bang ;D).
    Yah. <.<;
     
    Killer-Swift said:
    Actually it has been explained. My teacher told us about how the planets, debris in space and everything else that exists is moving away from eachother. For ex:

    <----Earth_______________________Some other planet on the other side of the Universe ----->


    The arrows show the direction they are both moving; away from each other. Which means that there was a force that has pushed them away; they gained the momentum/energy to go that way FROM the Big Bang. This means the effect of it happening so many billions/trillions of years ago are still affecting us. There was something else my teacher said, that eventually when everything hits the edge of the universe (or something to that effect @___@) they will all start to head back to the centre again and everything will come together and again create another massive implosion; being another Big Bang; resseting everything that happened. Yes, that means in the long future when everything is repeated, there will be another PC (That is if any of us surive the Big Bang ;D).
    Yah. <.<;
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    This Is just a theory no one will never know How Earth really came to be

    I For one don't really care XD
     
    Though the big-bang appeals to me the most, I don't believe in any scientific theory yet... And I'm skeptical enough to discard Biblical creation by default. In fact, the Bible makes me laugh.

    Mock me and call me mediocre, but I just don't find it productive wasting my time thinking in stuff like this. Of course I am curious... Just not curious enough.

    Life suddenly seems a lot shorter when it comes to these kind of inquiries...
     
    While certain forms of 'evolution' do in fact take place, I do not belive in the changing of one species to another. it is obvious that things adapt, but the theory used to explain how a single cell organism became a human over millions of years has not been proven by any means.
    nor has big bang. if intelligent design or creationism was the cause of the universe, then why would a 'big bang' be necessary? surely a Being with enough power to create all that we know can make things move in a certain direction at will
     
    Killer-Swift said:
    Actually it has been explained. My teacher told us about how the planets, debris in space and everything else that exists is moving away from eachother. For ex:

    <----Earth_______________________Some other planet on the other side of the Universe ----->


    The arrows show the direction they are both moving; away from each other. Which means that there was a force that has pushed them away; they gained the momentum/energy to go that way FROM the Big Bang. This means the effect of it happening so many billions/trillions of years ago are still affecting us. There was something else my teacher said, that eventually when everything hits the edge of the universe (or something to that effect @___@) they will all start to head back to the centre again and everything will come together and again create another massive implosion; being another Big Bang; resseting everything that happened. Yes, that means in the long future when everything is repeated, there will be another PC (That is if any of us surive the Big Bang ;D).
    Yah. <.<;
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    The hypothezation that the universe is expanding is just that: a hypothezation. Although I personally believe the Universe is forever expanding, I cannot declare it to be truth. The thing about it hitting the edge of the universe is interesting, because then he must believe in the parallel universe thing, which means he must essentially not believe in determinalism -- and determinalism (in other words: fate) is something that many people say, is supported by the big bang - in other words, everything since the big bang has been inevitable. If a being who knew all the "laws" of the universe and every past and present event, they would be able to predict the future.

    However, opponents of determinalism believe the Universe is probabilistic - like quantum mechanics - a theory that explains the idea of a "mind" - obviously thoughts are chemical reactions, but what causes the things that cause
    that chemical reaction at that time? Only chance could explain this idea of a "mind".

    To tie it into the parallel universes - this theory says that, every probability of every event is happening, but each one in another universe that are physically closed off to eachother. That your teacher thought the universe would hit and edge, leads me to believe he buys into the "parallel universes"

    What do I believe? I am on the probablistic, quantum mechanic side of things - but I do not believe in the oppiste parallel universes. I do believe the universe is expanding, but because of this probability, which I feel explains the totally random chemical reactions that take place in the mind ( which I really do not know enough about, to be honest), I do not feel that each event to happen is inevitable.

    One of my favorite movies, Star Wars, I feel supports my view. Chancellor Palpatine, a master of the force, with immense knowledge, foresees Luke going to the dark side. Does this happen? No, Luke's mental conviction that he is to stay a Jedi overrides the other chemical reaction that was also likely to happen in his mind - that he would go over to the dark side.
     
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