DonRoyale
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Keep in mind Kyogre has Calm Mind to boost his already monstrous Sp.Atk, in tangency with Mystic Water, Water Spout, and Drizzle, while Groudon has Bulk Up, which supports his already monstrous Attack stat, but lacks the tangency of Charcoal, Eruption, and Drought. (It has Earthquake, which DOES have STAB, but Water Spout has STAB, and is supported by Mystic Water and Drizzle while Charcoal and Drought don't support Earthquake.)
Also keep in mind that Groudon's Sp.Atk stat to support his Eruption/Charcoal/Drought combo is only 100, while Kyogre's is 150, is boosted by Calm Mind, and has STAB, which Groudon lacks.
The only thng I can think of that Groudon has over Kyogre is Solarbeam, and that's IF you have sunlight up. Kyogre doesn't need rain to use Ice Beam...or any of its STAB Water moves, regardless of sun...It makes their weather-boosted moves neutral:
-Eruption x2 by Sun, /2 by hitting a Water-Type = 1x
-Water Spout x1.5 by STAB, /2 by Sun, x2 by hitting a Ground-Type = 1.5x
So, even in sun, Kyogre still wins.
Let's take the idea of Rain for Groudon:
-Groudon has STAB for Earthquake, the best move it can really use in the situation. Thunder's PUSHING it, but even then, it's 2x.
-Kyogre has STAB for Water Spout, 2x for hitting a Ground-Type, and 2x for Rain. That's 6x damage.
So...anyone want to tell me how Groudon is POSSIBLY better than Kyogre? :S
Also keep in mind that Groudon's Sp.Atk stat to support his Eruption/Charcoal/Drought combo is only 100, while Kyogre's is 150, is boosted by Calm Mind, and has STAB, which Groudon lacks.
The only thng I can think of that Groudon has over Kyogre is Solarbeam, and that's IF you have sunlight up. Kyogre doesn't need rain to use Ice Beam...or any of its STAB Water moves, regardless of sun...It makes their weather-boosted moves neutral:
-Eruption x2 by Sun, /2 by hitting a Water-Type = 1x
-Water Spout x1.5 by STAB, /2 by Sun, x2 by hitting a Ground-Type = 1.5x
So, even in sun, Kyogre still wins.
Let's take the idea of Rain for Groudon:
-Groudon has STAB for Earthquake, the best move it can really use in the situation. Thunder's PUSHING it, but even then, it's 2x.
-Kyogre has STAB for Water Spout, 2x for hitting a Ground-Type, and 2x for Rain. That's 6x damage.
So...anyone want to tell me how Groudon is POSSIBLY better than Kyogre? :S