Kuro-Aikuchi. A novel by Skaraflame

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    Welcome to the Official Thread for Kuro-Aikuchi. The graphic, picture-less novel by yours truly.

    Kuro-Aikuchi roughly translates as Blood-Sword.

    Instead of boring you with meaningless details, I'll post the prologues.


    Prologue 1: Echo of Blood
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    Prologue 2: Katana of Victory
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    Prologue 3: Escape of a bounty hunter.​

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    I'm thinking this is an actual fic, so that goes into the main forum. Writer's Lounge is for previews.

    Also, let me just say that it's rather difficult to read that much centered text. We're so used to reading left to right that centered text, especially that much, is difficult to read, and having centered text will deter readers.
     
    I'm thinking this is an actual fic, so that goes into the main forum. Writer's Lounge is for previews.

    Also, let me just say that it's rather difficult to read that much centered text. We're so used to reading left to right that centered text, especially that much, is difficult to read, and having centered text will deter readers.

    Did you not read the bit before the story? this IS a preview. What you do mean you think it's a fic?
     
    Did you not read the bit before the story? this IS a preview. What you do mean you think it's a fic?

    Probably this:

    Welcome to the Official Thread for Kuro-Aikuchi. The graphic, picture-less novel by yours truly.

    Also, the fact that prologue =/= preview. Prologues are first chapters of a story that take place before the action of the "present day" of the timeline. Or, in simpler terms, it's chapter zero, the chapter before chapter one. A preview would be a summary or short excerpt, but considering you've started off with three full prologues (as far as we can tell) and the title "official thread," we're inclined to think you actually want to have a story thread, not a preview or discussion thread. The fact that you didn't actually say it was a preview or what you were looking for by posting a preview (i.e., if you wanted us to tell you if the concept was okay or something along those lines) probably didn't help her judgment.

    Other than that, I have to agree with Astinus about the formatting. Not only that, but your chapters are a bit difficult to read as they are because you don't properly space out paragraphs. As in, there's no clear indication that you've ended one paragraph and are going into another one. (See this post as an example. Notice how there's a blank line of space between one paragraph and another? Because forums strip indentations, this is the only real way to indicate a paragraph break clearly and cleanly.) Without paragraph breaks, your text becomes even more difficult to read because the reader has difficulties keeping track of their place. I know that I have a tendency to miss or reread lines accidentally if confronted with a block of text because my eyes need that paragraph break to focus on the correct line. Centering the text screws me up completely because I now have to find the beginning of the line as well, causing me to be unable to focus on the line I should be on immediately. (This goes especially for your third prologue, where most lines aren't even near your left margin.)

    I know it sounds anal to tell you about how to format your work, but you really do want to make your fic as easy-to-read for your audience as possible. The less comfortable we are picking up your story (just because of formatting issues), the less likely we are to finish a chapter.
     
    I stated that these were "the firs three prologues" though; which means it's not the whole story. A.K.A a preview.

    I break paragraphs when I need to, and when I'm on a laptop I'll fix the center thing.
     
    I stated that these were "the firs three prologues" though; which means it's not the whole story. A.K.A a preview.

    If you read other people's story threads, you'll notice that no one actually posts the full work if they're writing a chapter story. Rather, they post only one chapter at a time, with that chapter being whatever they finish. In fact, most fanfic or original fic authors online don't even have the entire story written before they create their threads. Instead, they finish chapters as they go and post the newest finished one.

    So, no, posting three prologues doesn't necessarily mean you're posting a preview. It just means you've started your story thread unless you actually tell us it's a preview (and what kind of feedback you'd like about your preview).

    I break paragraphs when I need to,

    Which should be whenever you start a new paragraph. As I've said, you'll want to insert a line between each new paragraph because it makes your work easier to read. Otherwise, it's a block of text, and some readers physically have difficulties reading work formatted in that manner.
     
    If you read other people's story threads, you'll notice that no one actually posts the full work if they're writing a chapter story. Rather, they post only one chapter at a time, with that chapter being whatever they finish. In fact, most fanfic or original fic authors online don't even have the entire story written before they create their threads. Instead, they finish chapters as they go and post the newest finished one.

    So, no, posting three prologues doesn't necessarily mean you're posting a preview. It just means you've started your story thread unless you actually tell us it's a preview (and what kind of feedback you'd like about your preview).



    Which should be whenever you start a new paragraph. As I've said, you'll want to insert a line between each new paragraph because it makes your work easier to read. Otherwise, it's a block of text, and some readers physically have difficulties reading work formatted in that manner.
    It isn't my entire work though.

    Oh, and I DO add a line gap when I start a new paragraph.
     
    It isn't my entire work though.

    Oh, and I DO add a line gap when I start a new paragraph.
    Not really - you do it occassionally but not when you always should; for instance:
    "You're here at last, M." It was a woman's voice.
    "Nanami; you always were the impatient sort."
    "Well it's hard to change when you're tied up in chains against a wall in white overalls."
    This should be rather like this:
    "You're here at last, M." It was a woman's voice.

    "Nanami; you always were the impatient sort."

    "Well it's hard to change when you're tied up in chains against a wall in white overalls."
    I.e. a blank line in-between each new speaker, etc. Prologue 2 for instance only has one instance of it and the rest of the paragrahs don't have the line spacing either.

    Also agreeing that the centreing of the text makes it a devil to read, especially as computer screens aren't the best for the eyes to begin with.

    I took a quick glance over - the beginning parts here seem all right. There's some things that could use addressing:
    The inside was dark and damp, some rainwater in the corner was even dripping and only 5 candles were lighting the room. It had 4 rooms upstairs, 1 big room downstairs and a storage basement where all the emergency items were in case of a break-in.
    Generally numbers less than 100 are written out as a word, so five, four and one would be preferable over 5, 4 and 1. I also questin whether the fact the house had so-and-so rooms upstairs and downstairs to be a relevant fact as it appears to play no part in the story and seems to come out of left field in the story as well - you'ree setting up the atmosphere, then suddenly mention the house's rooms, and then move back to the story.

    He fell instantly to the floor. Akemi's mother then came out to the landing and saw her husband's body half-way out the door. She screamed for her life as his blood poured out of his head in gallons. The neighbours gathered round the house in their dozens, and heard all the screaming. Police vans arrived after hearing reports of mass murder. The neighbours were looking less terrified, and more reassured that a mass killer was about to be caught and locked up. The police cautiously entered the house and were shocked by the sight. The bodies had been brought down into the big downstairs room, and the killer was sitting in the corner laughing. The police took out their guns and shot at the killer over and over again. The killer didn't move out of his place, but he was bleeding heavily. All of a sudden, the blood turned a golden colour and it re-entered his body. The policemen stared at the scene in disbelief, as if they were watching some 3D horror movie.
    Sometimes the writing feels a touch flat as well - there seems to be a lack of emotion or feeling here - for instance 'The police....and were shocked by the sight' or 'The neighbours gathered around the house in their dozens, and heard all the screaming/were looking less terrified'. In such instances, you'r only telling us these facts, but we don't really see thse facts - we just know that they are terrified, shocked, etc. Adding more such has how they react - say a policeman may gag at the smell of the blood - would show us that he is terrified without you actually telling us, while you also help us imagine the scene better by bringing things in like smell or more visual descriptions into the scene.

    Also note that in that section a lot of sentences started with 'The' which gave the scene a repetitive sound to it - try mixing up the sentence structure some more by using other words to start sentences - here seven times starting with 'The' in nine consecutive sentences is a bit too much however.

    I'll also add that upon glancing there's the minor problem with punctuation in dialogue:
    "Thank you, Sensei. I'm most grateful." Replied Masaru, as he walked off into his cabin.
    As here 'Replied Masaru, as he walked off into his cabin' flows on from the dialogue and cannot stand by itself as its own sentence, treat it and the dialogue as one sentencee (essentially ignoring the quotation marks) and hence refrain from capitalising 'Replied' and use a comma as opposed to a full stop in the dialogue:
    "Thank you, Sensei. I'm most grateful," replied Masaru, as he walked off into his cabin.
    Bit hard to say anything else though due to the centreing of the text and all making it hard to really read through, as mentioned.
     
    It isn't my entire work though.

    I'd hate to be overly blunt, but please reread what I just said. Not everyone has their entire work finished when they post story threads here. In fact, most writers don't. (For example, you can take a look at my own story. I'm only on chapter thirteen, and I'm still working on finishing.) Instead, they post the chapters they finish, but the entire thread houses a work in progress. That being said, prologue =/= preview on a writing forum exactly because of this. Instead, prologue = story thread unless you specifically state that it's a preview.

    Look, I know it's weird, but that's how writing forums work, period and no matter what you have to say about what you believe posting three prologues mean. So, you really shouldn't be surprised that Astinus thought you weren't actually posting a preview. When you go on a writing forum, you've really got to look around and see how things are usually done because otherwise, you'll get into messy situations where people will assume you're doing one thing when you actually mean to do another. Know what I'm saying?

    Oh, and I DO add a line gap when I start a new paragraph.

    Um... No, you really don't. Most of your work is all in one block of text, as bnb just showed you. For a clearer view, this is not an entire paragraph:

    Deep in the Underground prison, a mysterious man was walking through the holding cells. As he walked over to a giant metal door, he took a card out of his coat and swiped it in the slot. The giant metal door opened to reveal a dark room; the man stared into the room and smiled as he walked in. A voice then whispered,
    "You're here at last, M." It was a woman's voice.
    "Nanami; you always were the impatient sort."
    "Well it's hard to change when you're tied up in chains against a wall in white overalls."
    "True, but you need to become better at your job. Bounty hunters signed up to the DuskBane industry are normally a lot more high-levelled than this."
    "Sorry M, but this time it was out of my hands…"
    M listened intently. See, it was unusual for Nanami to get caught, or for any DuskBane bounty hunter to get into trouble of any kind.
    Nanami is 18 years old, wears a black crop top and white jacket with red buttons, black skinny jeans and red converse; but not today, today she was in overalls chained up to a wall…

    Rather, it's multiple paragraphs. You have multiple speakers (keeping in mind that you start new paragraphs whenever a speaker changes) and multiple topics (the conversation, who Nanami is, what the mysterious man is walking through, et cetera). The only time you have a blank line between paragraphs is... well, actually, I'm not sure why you have blank lines between some paragraphs and not others. In any case, yeah. Remember that you have to start a new paragraph when the speaker changes, whenever you're starting a new topic, that kind of thing. In fact, to make it a simpler rule to follow, every time you're tempted to hit the enter key, hit it twice, not once.

    Again, a lot of these seem like anal rules, but they're still just very basics for writing and for participating in a writing forum. You've really got to follow them without protesting so much because it's easier for your audience to want to get into your story if you do.
     
    Whether you like it or not JX, I use a gap to seperate paragraphs. Read my prologues properly before you post here again please.
     
    Whether you like it or not JX, I use a gap to seperate paragraphs. Read my prologues properly before you post here again please.
    I'm sorry, but...what? Like it or not, but you did not.... here, let's screenshot it all.
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    First prologue had one instance, as did the 2nd. The 3rd had a few more (9?) but still far less that what should be used for forums/stories on the internet. It was recommended that there is a line gap between every paragraph which includes instances when a different person speaks and whatnot

    with a gap like so, yet I see very limited instances of that in your prologues. What point are you trying to argue here? =/ I mean, the first screenshot shows one instance of enter being hit once between 'paragraphs', and there's not even an noticable gap there - the other times no spacing is used whatsoever.
     
    I'm sorry, but...what? Like it or not, but you did not.... here, let's screenshot it all.
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    First prologue had one instance, as did the 2nd. The 3rd had a few more (9?) but still far less that what should be used for forums/stories on the internet. It was recommended that there is a line gap between every paragraph which includes instances when a different person speaks and whatnot

    with a gap like so, yet I see very limited instances of that in your prologues. What point are you trying to argue here? =/ I mean, the first screenshot shows one instance of enter being hit once between 'paragraphs', and there's not even an noticable gap there - the other times no spacing is used whatsoever.
    I use line gaps to seperate paragraphs. What part of that do none of you understand? I'll say it again.

    WHERE THERE IS A PARAGRAPH GAP, I USE A LINE BREAK. END OF.

    This conversation is over.


    On a lighter and less pointless note, I've removed the center text formatting so you can all read it easier.

    Now, let's discuss my story please. Anyone who fails to do so should stay away from this thread or they'll be reported for spamming.
     
    Skara, everyone who has talked to you thus far really is trying to help you. As for discussing your story, nobody is going to do that if it's difficult to read the story to begin with.

    Instead of simply reiterating what everyone has said, however, I'm going to repost your entire prologue with ideal formatting, because you seem to be misunderstanding people's comments. Pay special attention to how there is an empty line between paragraphs and when a new person begins to speak.

    My comments and corrections are in blue.

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    I just wanted to pop in to say that you have some of the best reviewers on this forum trying to help you, and you're not taking the constructive criticism the way it should be taken. They're not sitting here telling you, "oh well this story sucks," they're trying to help you out with the spacing in the story and the definition of prologue and why this thread went where it did. The advice they're giving is supposed to help you. In posting your story, you should have known that it wasn't going to be perfect and flawless; even published novels get flack from readers. But that's all I have to say; I'm more of a retired reviewer these days.

    And like the old saying goes, if you can't take the heat, get out of the kitchen.
     
    If I may...

    Now, let's discuss my story please.

    Because you seem to like responding to constructive criticism about the simplest, most given things with writing by telling us we're wrong, you're actually turning away potential reviewers. As txt said (and I've repeatedly brought up), no one will want to read your story if it's difficult to get through, and part of this has to do with whether or not your story is in a massive wall o' text. I've already gone over when you should create new paragraphs and when you don't, so I'll just motion to my earlier posts.

    In the meantime, attitude towards reviewers trying to help you gets you negative responses. People who see that will be less likely to want to say anything (save for those of us who are persistent) because it's clear that you don't actually want feedback. I mean, if you're so resistant about changing the little things, what does that say about your potential to change the larger things, right?

    Or, in shorter terms, you'll really want to change the way you're responding to reviewers if you want to get the kind of feedback you're looking for. I never would have expected someone to snap at bobandbill (who has really been one of our sweetest reviewers all over these forums), so that says a lot about how you're interacting with us to me.
     
    Size 7 font is really not necessary.

    Now, let's discuss my story please. Anyone who fails to do so should stay away from this thread or they'll be reported for spamming.
    Good luck with that. The reviews that you've had have been discussing your story. They've been talking about the format of the story, helping you achieve a good clean format. Without a good clean format, no one can actually read the story, and you won't receive reviews on the story itself if no one can read it.

    Also, when you respond with size 7 font and capslock (the Internet's form of yelling), you deter reviewers. Especially when that's your response to people telling you that you should remove centered font and paragraph properly for the forums. Both of those are simple things and standard for posting stories online.

    Jax's advice of perhaps lurking more will help you out. Each writing community is different, but there are standard practices for posting stories online and how to receive feedback. While not all advice is good or wanted, you should still be polite to those who have reviewed because they are only trying to help you out. Responding them in the way that you have hurts yourself because it makes you appear as though you don't appreciate reviewers.

    As I said, if you want people to comment on the story, they need to read it first. People have told you that they are unable to read what you have posted and have told you how to fix the problem. Following that advice will help attract readers to your story. Accepting those who have responded with polite gratitude (even if you don't honestly like the advice) will attract readers.

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    Also, as advice, the second paragraph of your first prologue is rather boring to read. Pretty much each sentence starts with "The [subject]" and nobody really seems to react. It's all pretty much telling the reader what's going on. Rework the scene so that you're showing the reader what's happening so that they don't get bored with the story. Include some dialogue from the characters, even if it seems pointless. Make the scene come alive for readers.

    And I agree with txty. Those paragraphs are long and could be difficult to read on a computer screen. Work on them to help the tone of the story (so that readers don't become bored with what they're reading) and to help the length of the paragraphs. Because there are some missing paragraph breaks where you could have them.
     
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