LGBT Debate

[Xairmo]

In my opinion, it's not wrong per se, it's just I absolutely hate it when people are so flamboyantly open about it. I mean, I don't go around flaunting my heterosexuality all over the place.

It's just pretty embarrassing seeing someone acting so flamboyantly. If you've got gender confusion, just dress like it but don't be all like "HAYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYY" about it.

I find that to be a double standard. I can't even begin to tell you how many times I've heard straight guys saying crap like "Damn she's hot, I'd like to _____" or how many times I see straight couples making or on the odd and rare occassion when they had sex on the bleachers right next to where I was eating lunch, yet I am not allowed to express my sexuality because it makes you uncomfortable. >.>

here comes Christian, conservative, intolerant, bigoted me to piss everyone off...

I believe that being gay or bisexual or whatever is a choice. It's not a natural thing. Because of that, I believe that it's the wrong choice. I would love to make my argument without bringing in my faith, but that's somewhat impossible, because that's my only argument. God created a man and a woman for each other, and that's how it's supposed to be. Bottom line.

You're wrong, that is the bottom line my friend. I never chose anything, God made me this way. The basic teaching of Jesus is love, so stop the hate. I know in my heart that God loves me and anyone else regardless of color, creed, or orientation. Only true follower of Christ love and accept everyone.

Also, on the note of religion, I've always kind of thought Jesus was homosexual.

 

[Akio123]

Thing is since I am bisexual, I support anyone who has the same choices. Honestly, I don't see what the point of hating others based on sexuality. We are all people, I don't see the difference.

 

[txteclipse]

Yes, and if nothing like that happens to the person?

I've had the most average life you could ever think of. Hell, until I figured out for myself that I am bi, I hadn't even seen anything even vaguely homosexual. And does that apply to transexualism as well?

Sexual stimulation is a strong source of reinforcement. It's not hard to imagine that people could turn to unnatural sources in order to achieve it, either due to sexual suppression, a lack of self-control, or a combination of the two. As I said before, it's similar to an addiction.

Also, the cause in my previous example doesn't have to be extreme at all. It just has to get the person thinking of an abnormal source of sexual gratification.

Also, on the note of religion, I've always kind of thought Jesus was homosexual.

Jesus was not sexual in general, seeing as he didn't get married.

 

[Akio123]

Of course you choose it! If I just broke down right this second and made out with a guy after I've lived a life with no signs whatsoever of homosexuality, would you still say that it was biological? People who say that it's not a choice are just the people who don't want to take responsibility for making that decision.

Well then it would be one of two things:
A. You want to experiment with your sexuality.
B. Latent Homosexuality.

Honestly, it's not a choice. If you can be born heterosexual, why can't you be born homosexual? Also if God exists, he makes all humans. That would mean he made someone gay for a reason.

 

[Xairmo]

Sexual stimulation is a strong source of reinforcement. It's not hard to imagine that people could turn to unnatural sources in order to achieve it, either due to sexual suppression, a lack of self-control, or a combination of the two. As I said before, it's similar to an addiction.

Also, the cause in my previous example doesn't have to be extreme at all. It just has to get the person thinking of an abnormal source of sexual gratification.



Jesus was not sexual in general, seeing as he didn't get married.

My being gay is an addiction? Never heard that before [sarcasm/]
Your orientation is determined by chromosomes. It's just as natural as the color of your eyes or hair.

I still think he was. That's just what I've always thought. I don't really care to elaborate mroe on it seeing as how Jesus is a touchy subject for some.

 

[Azonic]

My god, the only reason straights look down at gays and bis is that everyone "else" looks down at them. (which isn't a good reason, of course).

You know its true. :/

 

[Yamikarasu]

D:

Yes there have been many threads on the issue. It boils down to two types of people: those who disagree with it based on their religion, and those who think people should be treated equally.

I understand why people disagree with homosexuality based on religion, although I don't respect that opinion at all. People have justified many discriminatory opinions with their belief in God throughout history. I know that some people may find that offensive, but that is a fact. And don't try to pull out passages from the Bible that endorse this discrimination, because I'll just throw some more back at you that tell you how to treat your slaves/stone your children/beat your wives.

Homosexuality does not hurt anyone. Leave them be, and let them marry in peace. Opinions will change, eventually, and the human race will move forward.

 

[Akio123]

I hate how people use the bible to mask their own prejudices. Honestly, if you don;t like gays or bis just say it. It makes things worse when you try to justify hate or disagreement using a book. Not to mention the fact that its one of the most, if not the most, misinterpreted books on the planet. Let the Cold war paranoia be put to rest people! *referencing the lavender scare*

 

[Haza]

I hate how people use the bible to mask their own prejudices. Honestly, if you don;t like gays or bis just say it. It makes things worse when you try to justify hate or disagreement using a book. Not to mention the fact that its one of the most, if not the most, misinterpreted books on the planet. Let the Cold war paranoia be put to rest people! *referencing the lavender scare*

Love what you just said hun. I just gave a speech today on gay marriage and I wish I would have used that.

 

[txteclipse]

Your orientation is determined by chromosomes. It's just as natural as the color of your eyes or hair.

There is no scientific evidence of a "gay gene," sorry. https://www.medterms.com/script/main/art.asp?articlekey=33160

 

[Repo Man]

Sexual stimulation is a strong source of reinforcement. It's not hard to imagine that people could turn to unnatural sources in order to achieve it, either due to sexual suppression, a lack of self-control, or a combination of the two. As I said before, it's similar to an addiction.

Also, the cause in my previous example doesn't have to be extreme at all. It just has to get the person thinking of an abnormal source of sexual gratification.

This does not answer my question. How does that stand when someone who is bi/gay/whatev has not been exposed to such a thing?

 

[Akio123]

I want to pose a question I have posed in other gay marriage threads:
If being gay is a choice that would mean everyone is born bisexual then right? Because that means if sexuality is a choice that means one day everyone here just decided "Hey, I think I want to be straight? =D" or "Hey I want to be gay?" No, if sexuality is something you are born with then you are born with it. >_>

 

[Tinhead Bruce]

There is no scientific evidence of a "gay gene," sorry. https://www.medterms.com/script/main/art.asp?articlekey=33160

Well, there's no proof for God either. I believe in God, but you could say there is no scientific evidence for so many things. Just because no one has seen it yet, does that mean it doesn't exist?

I believe homosexuality and sexual deviation in general to be an intense form of self-delusion. It involves a long and subtle cycle of brainwashing that causes a person's sexual perception to stray, typically started by an encounter with whatever form of abnormal sexuality they eventually practice. So basically it's like an addiction.

So what introduced you to being heterosexual? Years of being brainwashed by something like rape as you stated before? No, I highly doubt that. I know you said abnormal, but people who are gay could say that heterosexuality is abnormal, just using your opinion with nothing to back it up (and don't give me something other than just "the Bible told me so") isn't a valid argument.

Jesus was not sexual in general, seeing as he didn't get married.

Umm... who said that you had to be married to have a sexual orientation. I'm straight, and I'm not married. According to your logic, that isn't possible. Xairmo was just stating his opinion, that Jesus Christ was gay, not that Jesus Christ performed homosexual acts...

 

[Xairmo]

There is no scientific evidence of a "gay gene," sorry. https://www.medterms.com/script/main/art.asp?articlekey=33160

I didn't say "gay gene" per se, I said chromosomes.
They say that as a mother gives multiple births, she is less likely to pass on an enough amount testosterone and puts in more estrogen. I'm a youngest child, and I'm gay. My oldest sibling is my sister, who happens to be a lesbian. So inverse from my situation, she received more testosterone.

 

[txteclipse]

This does not answer my question. How does that stand when someone who is bi/gay/whatev has not been exposed to such a thing?

It does answer your question, actually. Let me try to go into more depth, though.

Many people obtain sexual stimulation from a wide array of sources besides sex. Fetishes, commonplace things, even violent crimes. None of these can really be considered "normal": they are substitutes for sexual activity.

Now let's go one step farther with that: ****- and bi-sexuality (etc.) can be considered substitutes for heterosexuality. You can reach the conclusion, without any outside influence, that people of your own gender can be sources of sexual stimulation. This, however, does not mean that these methods are normal: it means that your sex drive is misdirected.

In that vein, the more you seek and obtain sexual gratification from these sources, the more addicted you will become to them (that's where the whole sexual reinforcement thing comes in).

EDIT: lol at censors.

EDIT EDIT: I got superninja'd

So what introduced you to being heterosexual?

Who said I was strictly heterosexual?

Umm... who said that you had to be married to have a sexual orientation. I'm straight, and I'm not married. According to your logic, that isn't possible.

No one said you have to be married to have a sexual orientation. I said Jesus (specifically) was not sexual, period. He didn't think of anyone sexually (lust), let alone have sex, because doing so outside of marriage is sinful, and he didn't sin.

 

[Barker]

According to my religion, and local opinion, it's all gross and immoral and should be kept illegal, etc etc etc. It does make me very uncomfortable, but at the same time, I have a personal belief that it's just right, it's fair, if you will, that LGBT peoples should be allowed to marry and be in public without controversy, or whatever. (tl;dr: I don't like it, but I'm willing to accept it because I know it's right.)

It's somewhat contradictory, yeah. But it's my opinion.

 

[Xairmo]

According to my religion, and local opinion, it's all gross and immoral and should be kept illegal, etc etc etc. It does make me very uncomfortable, but at the same time, I have a personal belief that it's just right, it's fair, if you will, that LGBT peoples should be allowed to marry and be in public without controversy, or whatever. (tl;dr: I don't like it, but I'm willing to accept it because I know it's right.)

It's somewhat contradictory, yeah. But it's my opinion.

I think, as a gay male myself, I respect opinions such as yours the most. I know that my being gay may make other people uncomfortable, but it's always nice to here people say "I don't like it, but I'm willing to accept it because I know it's right." So thank you for that.

@txteclipse: Then please tell, how do I kick my gay addiction? >.>

 

[txteclipse]

txteclipse: Then please tell, how do I kick my gay addiction? >.>

You have to want to first of all. And if you find the answer to that question, tell me.

 

[Spinor]

Ok, I seriously don't think religion plays a role in how homosexuality should be considered.

In these cases, I'd rather stick to scientific proof.

Homosexuality, for now, is pretty much looking like a choice, except it's those kinds of choices that give a permanent psychological impact.

It can be a choice because of an "urge" to be different. And because of luck, support to choose your orientation increased, thus there was more support towards homosexuality.

I actually respect those who choose to be homosexual because they have the guts to differ society, an action not very easily achieved. At least as long as they stay the heck away from my shoulder room. At that point I roundhouse and run to Mexico.

 

[Aurafire]

I'm pretty sure a fairly small amount of the gay population actually choose to be gay. I agree that there some people that might do it for attention, but that doesn't explain why there are millions and millions of gay people around the world.

Saying that homosexuality is a choice is like saying heterosexuality is a choice. They're both sexual orientations, and I'm sure my attraction to the opposite sex feels no different than a gay person's attraction to the same sex... (someone can feel free to correct me if I'm wrong).

You have to want to first of all. And if you find the answer to that question, tell me.

Using that logic, could I actually try to be gay? Because I can tell you right now...No matter how hard I'd try, it would be impossible. It would feel unnatural. You can't tell a gay person to "will" themselves straight.

In other words, we can't treat homosexuality like it's not a sexuality....because it is.