Mafia Mafia

[Mana1]

Knew revealing early would put the pressure on to you, Gimme! I'm afraid I'm far too busy these days to strategise as well as you're insisting I am :P for once, inactivity is my strength. I'm happy to confirm GP as scum.

With the situation as it is, I'd rather go for him rather than Abby/NightKrow/Other Possibilities for the definite kill. That might change once we get the last bits of info.

>NightKrow

Can you confirm your claim, please? :) Found it on the previous page. So we have two Mellos and two Eddards, easy. Abby and GP seems like the way to go.

[vote] gimmepie

 

[Nakuzami]

Knew revealing early would put the pressure on to you, Gimme!

But how, if the pressure only came from him CCing? Lol

 

[Mana1]

But how, if the pressure only came from him CCing? Lol

Because I have one of the two roles the scum were gonna contest.

 

[Nakuzami]

Because I have one of the two roles the scum were gonna contest.

But wording it as "knowing" it would put the pressure on GP specifically is a bit of an oddity

Since it could have come from anyone who wasn't you

 

[Mana1]

But wording it as "knowing" it would put the pressure on GP specifically is a bit of an oddity

Since it could have come from anyone who wasn't you

I knew it would put pressure on <one of two scum people>, who I then found to be GP, I'm not professing I knew that person who was going to counterclaim was gimmepie before he did so. You're just reading too much into the phrase Naku.

 

[Nakuzami]

Perhaps, but word choice matters, so seeing something that sticks out like that caught my attention.

I was of the opinion that GP was The High Priest since before I made my first post today. So who knows why you chose to word that as you did. Could have multiple points of origin.

But it is also something to consider that Eddard was the only role you could safely claim by the time you posted for this phase.

 

[gimmepie]

Snip

Or, just here me out, maybe you slipped up. After all you're so very busy it makes sense that you'd make some errors after all.

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Can you honestly say that inno, fool and scum Abby play that differently? I can't :')

Yes, I had a (obviously wrong) hunch that Abby was the fool. Personally I don't go out of my way to lynch the person I think will win the game by being lynched nor do I act in a way that might encourage that situation. Now I'm of the opinion Abby is just an innocent playing kind of crappily.

From the perspective of seeing Abby as an innocent - the correct perspective I think - that means that NK has to be the other mafia with Pete. Speaking of which, notice how both of them claimed really early without any real prompting - that could almost be taken as two people sharing the same strategy. That strategy being two mafia members trying to get the drop on the people who actually have the roles they are claiming by getting in early. Everyone knows at this point I think that the CCer always looks scummier than the person who claims first, even if the first claimer is maf.

People, if you vote either me or Abby out, I'm pretty sure that's game over for the town. Either Johnny has been conned or he's intending to win with the mafia. Mana and NK are the mafia team.

 

[Mana1]

Choice of words might matter but please remember I'm a sleepy teacher and its friday evening for me :P. I apologise if my English isn't perfect, but just to clarify I merely meant "I knew someone would be pressured" not specifically pie.

But it is also something to consider that Eddard was the only role you could safely claim by the time you posted for this phase.

True, can't say much against that. Luckily I didn't have to put much thought in to revealing my actual role, I don't think I'd have managed much of a bluff at 7am.

I'd also like to point out that if I were mafia, that wouldn't necessarily mean me knowing GP's role anyway. I suppose I'd have limited options - depends if they figured you out and thats why they blocked you again.

What made you think GP was specifically the High Priest? Getting rid of the roleblocker isn't much good at this stage (either scum will do) but curious.

Speaking of which, notice how both of them claimed really early without any real prompting - that could almost be taken as two people sharing the same strategy.

I got up, saw the notification, saw that one vanilla was dead, saw the LYLO warning and so revealed myself before going to work. If I hadn't, you (or another scum, to clarify) would have had 10 hours to make the claim without me being able to protest it.

 

[Nakuzami]

Not simply for the irony of GP being the role of his game, but I thought he could be the High Priest based on the vibe of his posts, and also (more prominently) because I thought it likely that he would be someone to roleblock me twice in a row, despite not actually knowing if I was Athena. My second thought for that person was actually you, Pete.

Johnny I just didn't think would be as likely to do that, and now he's the unCCed Survivor (though that could always be an interesting maf play, but that's doubtful)

NightKrow I could also potentially see using that strategy. Abby wouldn't go for that, I don't think, unless directed by Lilith (which is always possible).

For now, here's the posts of all four suspect players in isolation. I'm going to review them all individually in a little while when I have the time.

Spoiler: All of gimmepie's Posts in Isolation

We could jump straight to RCing, but I think it's probably too soon on account of that creating a 50/50 chance to mislynch.

I also think random voting should be out of the question right now for similar reasons.

I'm kind of suspecting that Abby is the Fool to be honest. Sure, I've been wrong before, but I feel reasonably confident of that. That leaves Desi UnCCd and a decent chance that the cop found either a third party or a town last night since they haven't spoken up yet. Either way, we're closing in.

"I think Abby might be the Fool"
*Gunner immediately votes Abby

Okay.

I'm not sure if this is a claim, or if you're insulting Gunner.

Secret asshole role confirmed. <3

Honestly, I kind of agree with the Gunner vote at this point. Abby's early vote was weird, but not out of character and he's been reasonably active/given a passable explanation imo. Gunner's not exactly acting unusually either but I don't like her post-and-go method since it adds nothing to the game.

[Vote] Salzorrah

Slight problem with that, I'm Eddard and dear Pete is a liar.
Seriously wishing that I'd been online earlier so I could have claimed before the scum >.>

I would do something as ridiculously obvious as that exactly 0% if the time. Abby's logic was sound, AT LEAST UNTIL HE STARTED SCUMREADING ME FFS. I posted after Abby yes, but that's all. It wasn't coordination I just happened to agree with him - as did just about everyone else.

Has it occurred to you that the reason Pete didn't vote Gunner was because he already knew for certain she wasn't in the mafia, and was therefore likely to be the Riddler? That seems to make sense to me. Although, since apparently the mafia is you and Pete - it'd make sense for you to want to gloss over that possibility.

Lynch Pete (Mana for anyone who doesn't know) today, you'll see that I'm innocent and then we can get rid of NK and be done with this

[Vote] Mana

So... because Mana and NK have done a good job of keeping that they're working together and you have a vivid imagination I'm scum. Okay.

Ignoring that Abby seems to want me dead, since apparently you think we're working together anyway for some reason, I'm curious as to when I was supposedly coordinating with Abby. You've worked with me as a mafia before, you know I'm way too careful/paranoid to make a push like that directly after my teammate - which is the only time there was anything to even suggest coordination.

I'm not sure if you're trying to win with the mafia, or if they've just got you fooled. Then again, up until Pete claimed my role I wasn't sussing him at all so I'm hardly one to talk.

Or, just here me out, maybe you slipped up. After all you're so very busy it makes sense that you'd make some errors after all.



Can you honestly say that inno, fool and scum Abby play that differently? I can't :')

Yes, I had a (obviously wrong) hunch that Abby was the fool. Personally I don't go out of my way to lynch the person I think will win the game by being lynched nor do I act in a way that might encourage that situation. Now I'm of the opinion Abby is just an innocent playing kind of crappily.

From the perspective of seeing Abby as an innocent - the correct perspective I think - that means that NK has to be the other mafia with Pete. Speaking of which, notice how both of them claimed really early without any real prompting - that could almost be taken as two people sharing the same strategy. That strategy being two mafia members trying to get the drop on the people who actually have the roles they are claiming by getting in early. Everyone knows at this point I think that the CCer always looks scummier than the person who claims first, even if the first claimer is maf.

People, if you vote either me or Abby out, I'm pretty sure that's game over for the town. Either Johnny has been conned or he's intending to win with the mafia. Mana and NK are the mafia team.

Spoiler: All of Mana's Posts in Isolation

I'd hope the cop could hang tight another day, as long as we don't accidentally out them during our lynch today.

Having named Vanilla roles is super though, at least it stops general blue-claiming.

Abby's hasty voting and then saying its just to stop a no vote seems odd for now.

Abby seems more scummy to me. Her posts just seem to change angle each time, or is this just normal?

:c hm

asghjk I'm torn it seems too obvious.

I'd rather [vote] Abby. Not much to go on other than the few odd plays at the beginning of the day, and Gunner's was odd but I can kind of understand it.

o/ Eddard. Bard keeps abusing my name in the phase changes. :p

Knew revealing early would put the pressure on to you, Gimme! I'm afraid I'm far too busy these days to strategise as well as you're insisting I am :P for once, inactivity is my strength. I'm happy to confirm GP as scum.

With the situation as it is, I'd rather go for him rather than Abby/NightKrow/Other Possibilities for the definite kill. That might change once we get the last bits of info.

>NightKrow

Can you confirm your claim, please? :) Found it on the previous page. So we have two Mellos and two Eddards, easy. Abby and GP seems like the way to go.

[vote] gimmepie

Because I have one of the two roles the scum were gonna contest.

I knew it would put pressure on <one of two scum people>, who I then found to be GP, I'm not professing I knew that person who was going to counterclaim was gimmepie before he did so. You're just reading too much into the phrase Naku.

Choice of words might matter but please remember I'm a sleepy teacher and its friday evening for me :P. I apologise if my English isn't perfect, but just to clarify I merely meant "I knew someone would be pressured" not specifically pie.



True, can't say much against that. Luckily I didn't have to put much thought in to revealing my actual role, I don't think I'd have managed much of a bluff at 7am.

I'd also like to point out that if I were mafia, that wouldn't necessarily mean me knowing GP's role anyway. I suppose I'd have limited options - depends if they figured you out and thats why they blocked you again.

What made you think GP was specifically the High Priest? Getting rid of the roleblocker isn't much good at this stage (either scum will do) but curious.



I got up, saw the notification, saw that one vanilla was dead, saw the LYLO warning and so revealed myself before going to work. If I hadn't, you (or another scum, to clarify) would have had 10 hours to make the claim without me being able to protest it.

Spoiler: All of NightKrow's Posts in Isolation

Sorry I'm late, I've just finished that lab report I've been working on for aaages. yay, finally!

I'm thinking Gunner's more likely to be the fool than Abby at this point. At least Abby gave a reason for voting, even if it wasn't a very good one. Gunner just straight-up vote-and-ran.

Not too sure about Abby. He did say in his third post that he voted to create interaction, but the way he presented it in his first post sounded like he wanted everyone to random vote and then not have any interaction. Not sure if it's just bad wording or scummy flip-flopping.

hm

I'm going to go with [Vote] Salzorrah. While Abby's first vote was definitely odd, I think the reason for her doing so was misinterpreted as "Hey, let's all random lynch someone and not discuss anything" rather than "I'm going to random vote someone and see how they react." Also, I think I'm right in saying that Gunner is the only player so far who hasn't given her own thoughts on any of the other players. She did vote for Abby, but then she said that was only because she thought everyone else was scumreading him.

Mello here.

Wish I actually had a chocolate bar though :(

Because...I didn't go out and buy any?
[Vote] Abby

I think Abby and GP are the scum team here. Reading back, those first two votes for Gunner looked pretty coordinated (and then most of us fell for following them but eh, hindsight is 20:20 I guess), and then I can't see Mana being scum instead of GP because Mana's been suspicious of Abby the whole time.

Spoiler: All of Abby's Posts in Isolation

So, if anything, wouldn't random lynching be okay for now? We'd have a 50:50 chance before factoring in any scumreads.

[Lynch]Uzumaki Naruto

The only way for us to no lynch is for nobody to vote though. I'll stick to random voting here for now.

I never said it was a no-vote. It was a placeholder random vote to start interactions, so that each of us could gather reads. Of course it couldn't have been who I thought was scummy.

That's interesting about Bardothren actually, @GM Bard can you reveal what the cop would get if they targeted bard?

No I was placing a vote to encourage interaction as I stated. I never said that this random lynch would be permanant, just a basis to get a better reads and this a lynching target.


As for gunner, I think she could be a mafia member masquerading as a fool, though the vote & run is her usual style.

I'm reading this again, and unfortunately the best scumread I have is on Gunner, though they could be the Riddler.

Still, her wishy-washyness makes me want to [VOTE]Salzorrah

Yeah it's pretty obvious why you don't have any chocolate, isn't it?

[VOTE]NightKrow

Right back at you, forgot to do so originally. Personally, I see scum as NK and GP, NK for obvious reasons, plus i think she's trying to divert attemtion by saying tgat mine & GP's votes were suss, when hers seemed to be forcing a BW along with GP.

Some part of the problem I have with this is that you're survivor, so you win with whoever. Surely it would be easier for you to get an easy mislynch on me & let the mafia kill someone and win with you than to get rid of a mafia and possibly not win.

What if the mafia attacked you if one of them got lynched? There'd only be two unconfirmed people, so they could kill you. Wouldn't it make more sense for you to just lynch me today and win, as mafia would?

Oh so you can't just get straight up night killed? For some reason I don't believe that :/
Anyway, aren't we at 3:2:1 instead?

Me-Mello
Johnny-Bard
NK-Scum
Naku: Cop
GP/Mana:Eddard
Mana/GP:Scum

If you wanted to target Nightkrow, it'd make it 3:1:1, then it'd probably go to 2:1:1, where you win or lose depending on who out of Mana and GP is lynched.

If you targeted an inno like me, it'd be 2:2:1 where all you'd then have to do is survive a night phase.

It's easier for you to dispose & incriminate a town, not that you wouldn't win anyway, thus why I don't trust you.

@the edited post: I reckon actually the GP was attempting to be "friendly" with me there. He essentially said he innoread me for some reason that really wasn't true.

I may not be able to provide overwhelming townie evidence for me, except an attempt to get people reads, I can check NK's d1posts.



...She then proceeds to do so here.

I'm not sure what it looks like to you, but it seems to me like oppotunistic bandwagoning, and being wishy-washy incase things went wrong.

 

[NightKrow]

I voted Gunner on D1 because, at the time, I thought that Abby's scumminess was coming from a misinterpretation of what he said, so I ignored that and my only other scumread was for Gunner. Obviously now I know that that was a mistake and I should've voted for Abby instead but again, hindsight is 20:20. Also let's not forget that the other two townies who voted for Gunner also knew that she could be the fool and then voted for her anyway.

I also think it's pretty obvious how GP is trying to protect Abby by saying that inno!Abby is the "correct perspective" and all that.
gonna switch my vote as I'm pretty confident both Abby and GP are scum. Before, Mana and Abby as scum could've been possible and Mana was suspicious of Abby so that he was distanced from Abby, but now idk why town!GP would be defending Abby so much, especially when Mana and Abby is technically possible as a scum team.
[Unvote] Abby
[Lynch] gimmepie

also yes, there was prompting for claims, as Naku said it was lylo and we should start roleclaiming so...

 

[gimmepie]

It's not hard to work out you and Pete are the scum team, especially from the perspective of knowing 100% that I'm innocent. Similarly it's easy to work out Abby is innocent.

1. Pete claimed my role, I am innocent. Therefore Pete is mafia.
2. There is next to no way that Abby and Pete are working with each other.
3. You claimed Abby's role. Abby is almost certainly not working with Pete, who I know is mafia.

The only logical conclusion there is that you and Pete are working together as the mafia team.

 

[Mana1]

It's not hard to work out you and Pete are the scum team, especially from the perspective of knowing 100% that I'm innocent. Similarly it's easy to work out Abby is innocent.

1. Pete claimed my role, I am innocent. Therefore Pete is mafia.
2. There is next to no way that Abby and Pete are working with each other.
3. You claimed Abby's role. Abby is almost certainly not working with Pete, who I know is mafia.

The only logical conclusion there is that you and Pete are working together as the mafia team.

Come on now Pie, the jig is up. Johnny's analysis, as a third party, is far more balanced and unbiased account than yours (and mine). He wins either way, so why would he bother second guessing a mafia team to then side with them? They're not going to bother killing him after all, he has no reason to suck up.

You and Abby seem top of the list, although I don't want to rule out NightKrow over Abby entirely... as that would be a much better play :c.

I'd implore people to vote for Pie, which will at least confirm me as Eddard. Then we're in a good place for tomorrow.

 

[gimmepie]

Come on now Pie, the jig is up. Johnny's analysis, as a third party, is far more balanced and unbiased account than yours (and mine). He wins either way, so why would he bother second guessing a mafia team to then side with them? They're not going to bother killing him after all, he has no reason to suck up.

You and Abby seem top of the list, although I don't want to rule out NightKrow over Abby entirely... as that would be a much better play :c.

I'd implore people to vote for Pie, which will at least confirm me as Eddard. Then we're in a good place for tomorrow.

This post sounds very much like a mafia member who is trying very hard to appear confident and "innocent" when they aren't. You're playing a role and people should be able to see through that.

Johnny's analysis, was fine if you ignore that it was wrong. Also, don't try and make it seem like I've said things I haven't, I'm not saying Johnny is working with you. I'm saying that we shouldn't ignore that he might choose to win with the mafia. I don't know for sure if he's actively aiming for a mafia win or if he's just plain wrong. Either he presents the same problem.

You can implore people however you like. If they feel like losing the game they might even listen to you.

 

[gimmepie]

You can "no u" me all you want, but you've yet to present a better argument.

I'm hardly "no u-ing", personally I think it's more likely you're wrong than actively anti-town. There's no point in me stating the same argument, which is perfectly valid no matter how you try to gloss over it, again. At this point I'll leave it in the hands of anyone who has yet to vote and hope they see sense.

 

[Abby]

[UNVOTE]NightKrow
[VOTE]gimmepie

Get GP today & NK tomorrow and we're golden^^

 

[gimmepie]

I didn't "try to discredit you". I also explained multiple times how I am innocent. Are you even looking at the same thread as me?

Also lol, I guess that's the last time I do anything that keeps Abby alive :')

 

[Nakuzami]

Honestly, I'm really, really not liking how Mana's posts have started to sound, but there's three hours left and four votes against GP already. That's not going to change, I'm sure.

And, with how the votes are spread, the second mafia goon is either trying to bus GP, or both mafia found their scapegoat and are running with it.

I'm going to Vote Mana

As I said, he was initially my second choice after GP going into this day phase, and his recent posts just really don't sit well with me.

Not likely this vote will make a difference, so we'll see how this day ends. If the game continues, then, with luck, GP is the Priest, but I'll be dead following that reveal anyways, so it doesn't really matter tbh.

 

[Mana1]

Honestly, I'm really, really not liking how Mana's posts have started to sound, but there's three hours left and four votes against GP already. That's not going to change, I'm sure.

You're going to be disappointed in your reading skills by tomorrow, haha. I guess it's been a while since I've had a chance to play arrogant-vanilla. Don't worry, we won't be losing an inno at this lynch.

Seems pretty obvious Abby is the second scum, especially after changing his vote once majority was already on Pie, so she'll be going down tomorrow.

 

[Nakuzami]

You're going to be disappointed in your reading skills by tomorrow, haha.

I won't be disappointed with my reading skills

I'll be disappointed with your writing skills.

 

[Abby]

[UNVOTE]Gimmepie

[VOTE]Mana

Coin toss this shit