Mew or Arceus as Pokemon Ancestor

Mew or Arceus?

Exactly what I was thinking... If Arceus isn't a Pokemon, then what is it? It's obviously solid - it isn't a blob of energy or anything like that.
 
i dont know to be sure

some other being? another specie?

you understand where i am getting it, mew is the ancestor of all pokemon. if arceus is a pokemon then he must descend from mew. but if he is the creator of pokemon then how can he be a pokemon because then mew must of created him? i believe the firts egg was mew. then arceus got part of his dna somehow and then created other pokemon...

regardless of this i still in the new movie this will be made more clear in arceus...his history etc..

its strang ehow mewtwo could be the most powerfullest yet he was created after these legendary pokemon
 
amarj3 said:
i dont know to be sure

some other being? another specie?

you understand where i am getting it, mew is the ancestor of all pokemon. if arceus is a pokemon then he must descend from mew. but if he is the creator of pokemon then how can he be a pokemon because then mew must of created him? i believe the firts egg was mew. then arceus got part of his dna somehow and then created other pokemon...

regardless of this i still in the new movie this will be made more clear in arceus...his history etc..

its strang ehow mewtwo could be the most powerfullest yet he was created after these legendary pokemon
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Oh For the love of Gawd,
Mew is the damn Ancestor.
Arceus Is the damn Creator.

Its 2 different things. With different meanings.
Read the dictionary.
 
Guys, a lot of you need to figure out the difference between the words Ancestor and Creator. If Arceus is the Creator of all Pokémon, it is the Creator. There's no denying that. Arceus is God and the only people who are reasoning against that are the people who can't tell the difference between a creator and an ancestor. Also, the hardcore first generation fans also don't want Arceus to exist because Mew was the Original One, but that isn't the point.

Mew may have its DNA inside every Pokémon, Arceus still created them all.

And Arceus is a Pokémon. Number four hundred and ninety-three in the PokéDex. Must we talk about theories that can easily be disproved?
 
wild_eagle_1825 said:
Oh For the love of Gawd,
Mew is the damn Ancestor.
Arceus Is the damn Creator.

Its 2 different things. With different meanings.
Read the dictionary.
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let me ask you this

i know the difference....but they clash with each other. if arceus is a pokemon and mew is the ancestor of all pokemon (since ARCEUS IS A POKEMON) then does that mean arceus is a descent of mew?

or if we go buy the saying arceus is the creator, then he created mew. so does that mean mew is not the ancestor of all pokemon like they said he is?

cant be both...you decide
 
I would just like to point something out:

We are talking about a world where creationism and evolution are both proven to exist, and large animals can be carried around in a person's pocket or latched onto his/her belt. Regardless of their positions, every single Legendary Pokemon out there can be caught in tiny little balls, including those 'monsters' that created the world. Even Mew & Arceus, the ones that are labeled as creating all the other Pokemon, can be caught. Then, we have humongous, evil organizations with their armies of Pokemon that are easily defeated by one child and their six. Over. And. Over. Again.

So, I ask you all: why are you so worried about something as comparatively small as this making sense?!??



...Now, that being said, YOOM-TAH and DeanoDance are right on this: ancestor =/= creator, so there's no conflict here.

Aegis said:
If I had a dollar for every thread on this topic... XD;
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I know, right? XP
 
but the sinnoh legends due points to arcues being the creater the first an dhis powers splitting in 2 to form space and time etc....then created 3 more legends, sea,land and air from hoenn...then went to sleep.

that is what it says in games about arcues. if he went to sleep after creating those 5 then who created the rest?

this is where i got this from

"In the beginning, there was only a churning turmoil of chaos. At the heart of the chaos, where all things became one, appeared an Egg. Having tumbled from the vortex, the Egg gave rise to the Original One. From itself, two beings the Original One did make. Time started to spin. Space began to expand. From itself, three living things the Original One did make. The two beings wished, and from them, matter came to be. The three living things wished, and from them, spirit came to be. The world created, the Original One took to unyielding sleep..."

and this "Betray not your anger, lest ??? will come. Weep not with sorrow, or ??? will draw near. When joy and enjoyment come natural as the very air, that is happiness. Let such be blessed by the hand of Master ???. Those words were spoken often as customary."

WOuld also like to add the lake trio. it is also said they could be spirites and part of arcues?

Azelf-Willpower
Mesprit-Emotion
Uxie-Knowledge

arcues is based on a japan story of pangu where they got the idea....arcues is based it on on so many ways
 
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YOOM-TAH said:
Uh...no. It doesn't say that he is a Continent. It says he is the Continent Pokemon. That means he REPRESENTS the continents, not that he IS one...>_> Other examples: Jirachi, the Wish pokemon. Jirachi is not a wish, wish is just a one-word descriptor of Jirachi. Same with the lake pokemon. They're not Knowledge, Emotion, and Willpower, they REPRESENT knowledge, emotion, and willpower.

It wasn't a Mew egg because Arceus existed before the universe. If you don't think Arceus is being referred to in the Canalave Library, you're just being ignorant.
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but like before, arceus is just based on a myth.
all that "created the universe" crap means nothing if its based on a myth.
All the pokemon definitions are crazy, and its sounds very strange that someone believes that arceus is the god or creator just because its the alpha pokemon.
until Nintendo says who the real ancestor is, this crap will go on for a long time.
 
I think that Arceus created legendaries (excluding mewtwo) and then mew created all other pokemon.
 
transcender said:
If you assume Arceus predates time and space, and assume Arceus is a descendant of Mew, then Mew predates time and space because he predates Dialga and Palkia, who shaped time and space. Predates is an awkward word here for obvious reasons but the fact that an egg existed in void gives enough leeway – I mean, if we assume that there was some way of shape – then if we apply that and take Mew's lore literally, that he is believed to be the anscestor of all pokémon, this conflicts with Arceus's dex directly. Because, Arceus IS a pokémon, and therefore, maybe a descendant of Mew.

I guess all I'm saying is, I don't think everything is as clear as you think it is, and maybe if you spent half as much time considering other the alternatives as you do calling people who hold opposing opinions fanboys (and being kind of blunt with them, honestly) instead, this argument could be a lot more thought provoking for everyone involved.

Personally, I call to fault shoddy authorship on part of the gamemakers: it seems with the introduction of Arceus they wanted to retcon Mew as an anscestor, and make him into a more generic celestial figure. This is evidenced by Mew's down-played role as genetic anamoly in his most recent movie.
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The Canalave Library only says there is ONE pokemon in the beginning. Since Arceus is described as existing before the universe, he is that one pokemon. As such, there can be no other pokemon. Mew is only BELIEVED to be the ancestor of all pokemon because he can learn so many moves. Using this logic, can he be the ancestor of Arceus? He can't learn Judgement, that's for sure.

I did consider all the alternatives. And they fall apart when faced with logic. And people not thinking with logic bothers me, so that's why I get perturbed when I see the same crap over and over, and then when the voice of reason shines in on a topic, there's STILL someone who just says "Mew is cute and it came first so I'd say Mew created everyone!!" Give me a break, I know everyone LOVES Mew with a passion, and they probably are not too happy about Arceus presuming the role they THOUGHT Mew had (which it never did, since it never created any pokemon ever.) But it stands to reason that Arceus was the original one pokemon before anyone and anything else, and it stands to very LITTLE reason that Mew came before Arceus.
 
Almost no one seems to care about the fact that:
-Arceus is a creator in MYTH
-Mew is BELIEVED by scientists to be the ancestor of all Pokémon

These are obviously not clear things...

IMO they're just representing evolution theory and creationism and how either could be true/false.
 
I like Mew better than Arceus. Mew has some originality to it and is also the fist legendary pokemon followed by Mewtwo.
 
Personally... darn odd contradictions, but I believe that Arceus was the first. Primarily I base this off of the Pearl Poke'dex entry: It is told in mythology that this Pokémon was born before the universe even existed.
Akin to Re-Atum, of Egyptian mythology:

omgWikipedia?! said:
An ancient Egyptian origin myth holds that in the beginning, the universe was filled with the primeval waters of chaos, which was the god Nun. The god, Re-Atum appeared from the Water as the land of Egypt appears every year out of the flood waters of the Nile.
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Now, where does Mew fit into all of this... on the presumption that perhaps there is an accidental contradiction in the English Poke'dex entries somewhere, somehow, perhaps Mew was created by Arceus and made the "creator deity" of His/Her/Its universe, and thus is able to create all the Pokemon (with the exception of Arceus and possibly Dialga and Palkia (Giratina too-- whatever other Poke-Gods Arceus made without Mew's aid)). If Arceus is as powerful as his entries make him out to be [Diamond Entry: It is described in mythology as the Pokémon that shaped the universe with its 1,000 arms.] then perhaps He was able to bestow Mew the powers to create life and elemental energies (a.k.a, moves).

In short, I believe that Arceus created Mew (along with other dieties) and made it into the Creator Diety, so-to-speak; a helper in forming the life on the planet, a la Norse creation mythology:

omgWikipedia?! said:
They placed the four dwarves Nordri (North), Sudri (South), Austri (East), and Vestri (West) to hold up Ymir's skull and create the heavens. Then using sparks from Muspelheim, the gods created the sun, moon and stars. As Odin and two others (the Eddas say Hœnir and Lóðurr, these are thought to be kennings for Vili and Ve) walked along the beach, they found two pieces of driftwood. From these, they created the 'first' human beings (the previous two having drowned in the flood of Ymir's blood), Ask and Embla. Ymir's eyebrows were used to create a place where the human race could live in; a place called Midgard.
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That is, do you believe Wikipedia? My point there is, yes, you can have creation stories were more than one diety get together to do stuff. Teamwork!
 
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