Mods have sig editting powers?

[aRedMoon]

Please, do tell the reasoning.

If it's to help cut down on sig sizes, then why not simply making a sig report thread here in Q&F? That way members will be able to report the sigs, and we don't have to worry about certain mods abusing the powers.


PC has been the target of hackings in the past, as well as porn spammers. What would happen if a porn spammer got ahold of a mod's account? Imagine all the sigs that could be changed to that crap! It's a security flaw, really. Mods aren't instructed to have super secure passwords, at least to my knowledge, like the higher staff.


It seems to me that letting mods have this power could be more of a security flaw than it could be a fix.


And of course, we all know that there are some mods out there that would love to be able to play around with other's sigs - and that's something I don't want happening to mine.

 

[Geometric-sama]

Actually, dude, we are told to secure our passwords. And it is useful to be able to edit huge images out of people's sigs - and that's all we use it for. While we may joke about things, we're not gonna edit other things without consent. So relax!

 

[Flygon trainer]

the reasoning is, mod's shouldn't abuse thier powers, that's why they were modded in the first place.

second, as far as porn spammers go, that's what Andy and Kairi are for. they can track mod activity, if I'm correct.

Third, members tend to not care if a mod just sends a PM, so img removals proceed to be needed.

 

[Brittany]

JK has a point...
We can't really trust anyone here 100%. Not me, not JK, not Abby, not anyone. So I think we should leave abilities like that to the 'most trusted' members(meaning S-Mods and up)

That's just my opinion though. I have no say on what goes on around here.
*goes off to bug Steve XD*

 

[aRedMoon]

I was a big sig reporter, and a good 80% of the PMs I sent got sigs down, and 10% never showed back up on PC, so I doubt that as a valid reason.

And it is useful to be able to edit huge images out of people's sigs - and that's all we use it for. While we may joke about things, we're not gonna edit other things without consent. So relax!

How can we -as members- know that's gonna happen? Unless there was a server good, someone took a line out of my sig today, and I was quite annoyed by it.

second, as far as porn spammers go, that's what Andy and Kairi are for. they can track mod activity, if I'm correct.

Last time I checked, they weren't always on. And it would be a LOT harder to track down the porn if they attacked signatures, instead of posting it.

the reasoning is, mod's shouldn't abuse thier powers, that's why they were modded in the first place.

Yeah, and mods are also supposed to be spam free, which I know [and I helped do it] the lounge is far from. -_-

 

[Geometric-sama]

If someone took that out of your sig, it was most likely an S-mod or higher, who would have been able to anyway. >.>

 

[aRedMoon]

Only problem was... I don't think there were any on at the time. >>;

 

[Kairi]

If a porn spammer got a mod's account there's a lot of damage they could do anyways, really if a mod lets their password be broken we're going to have trouble anyways.
If mods are caught abusing their sig powers, we'll treat it as any misuse of them and de-mod them. Just as we would any power abuse. I'm pretty sure it's logged in the control panel log, so it could be proven. And same goes for if we know a certain mod was hacked, we could just review their panel activity to undo the damage.

A lot of the sigs –I- sent reports to got expanded upon again within a couple days or weeks, and was annoying. If we're going to really get sizes down, we need more than 2 or 3 active staff members who can do it. And I'm not about to play favorites with trustworthy mods. =\

 

[Geometric-sama]

*notes that they can be invisible and not be seen by members*

Greg, I wonder if you'd feel this strongly if you were still a mod and had this power?

 

[aRedMoon]

If a porn spammer got a mod?s account there?s a lot of damage they could do anyways, really if a mod lets their password be broken we?re going to have trouble anyways.

Like I said earlier, the most they could do without sigs is edit posts - which, are like always, easy to track. And there is the "report post" button if that happens.

However, there is no "Report User" for if sigs get attacked.

If mods are caught abusing their sig powers, we?ll treat it as any misuse of them and de-mod them. Just as we would any power abuse. I?m pretty sure it?s logged in the control panel log, so it could be proven. And same goes for if we know a certain mod was hacked, we could just review their panel activity to undo the damage.

"I'm pretty sure" - shouldn't you be sure of it before you go and give them the power?!

A lot of the sigs ?I- sent reports to got expanded upon again within a couple days or weeks, and was annoying. If we?re going to really get sizes down, we need more than 2 or 3 active staff members who can do it. And I?m not about to play favorites with trustworthy mods. =\

Then up some people, or play favorites. I'd rather 2 trustworthy, active, senior mods had it then newbie mods that haven't even gotten used to the ModCP.[/color]


EDIT:

Greg, I wonder if you'd feel this strongly if you were still a mod and had this power?

Like my MSN name says - there's a line between mod and smod, and this is on the smod side.

I'd be one of the few mods against it. I know the limits of a mod's power - they shouldn't have access to any of a user's settings. At all.

 

[Geometric-sama]

Speak for yourself, man. It took me four months to get used to the mod CP.

 

[aRedMoon]

-_-;

Okay then, "that haven't even gotten used to the vBulletin functions" - happy now?

 

[Kairi]

They could also rename threads, split them, and other forums of obscure damage. Yes the threads themselves could be reported upon, but to completely reverse the damage we'd most likely look at the log anyways. Which, sadly brings me to my next point…

I can't look at the CP log. Welcome to the world of being between smod and admin. It's one of the few things none of us can do. If there was an incident (And I'd hope it would be rare enough so we wouldn't need standard procedure… ) Steve would look at it. If this was happening on a regular basis to the point this would become a common scenario, yes I could see what you're saying. However this is pretty rare in actuality. As for mods that give out their passwords to complete strangers on MSN? I think you've seen what we do to them.

You know mods can't edit polls by default? I give them that power too, but I'm not going to bump them up to smod for one minor power, and give them a slew of ones that may not be equipped to handle. And there are way too many fights amongst the mods as is, I don't want any more division with favorites.

 

[Flygon trainer]

uh... it took me about an hour to master the mod CP...

playing favorites is kinda wrong.. especially since it lets the non-favorites know they arn't liked.

 

[Geometric-sama]

I didn't actually notice any favouritism with mods until a few weeks ago, actually, and there's only a couple of incidents that have occurred AFAIK.

 

[aRedMoon]

I can?t look at the CP log. Welcome to the world of being between smod and admin. It?s one of the few things none of us can do. If there was an incident (And I?d hope it would be rare enough so we wouldn?t need standard procedure? ) Steve would look at it. If this was happening on a regular basis to the point this would become a common scenario, yes I could see what you?re saying. However this is pretty rare in actuality. As for mods that give out their passwords to complete strangers on MSN? I think you?ve seen what we do to them.

And if the mods are tricked...? Or what if something like what happened with Adam happens? Had Keith not been thinking completely right, Adam would've gotten a mod's account.

And you can't look at the logs? I feel soooo much safer now that our oh-so-active admins are the only ones that can. -_-;;

You know mods can?t edit polls by default? I give them that power too, but I?m not going to bump them up to smod for one minor power, and give them a slew of ones that may not be equipped to handle. And there are way too many fights amongst the mods as is, I don?t want any more division with favorites.

Polls aren't that big of a deal, I can understand giving mdos that power.

But sigs aren't polls - sigs can appear in every single forum, no matter what.

And there are plenty of fights already, I know that perfectly. Why not try something like "Mods that have been here for over 3 (?) months will get this power." That'd make me feel a lot safer, knowing that they at least will have gotten part of the understanding and mindset down.

playing favorites is kinda wrong.. especially since it lets the non-favorites know they arn't liked.

There are already staff members that have no problem saying they don't like you.

I didn't actually notice any favouritism with mods until a few weeks ago, actually, and there's only a couple of incidents that have occurred AFAIK.

Mmm, there has always been favoritism.


And note I didn't mean "favorites" in such instances of Andy and Soph or Abby and Sarah, I meant it more as in how I finished the phrase:

Then up some people, or play favorites. I'd rather 2 trustworthy, active, senior mods had it then newbie mods that haven't even gotten used to the ModCP.

 

[Kairi]

I don't like the idea either. But remember we used to post in a forum where they were the only ones who had any powers at all. And…we got along. I'd like the power, doubt I'll get it though.

One point for your defense here might be if some mods starting doing subtle tweaks to user's sigs. And in that case I really hope someone would speak up, and we could prosecute the mod who did it. Cause really, if they're going to do that…I'm almost glad they did, shows they didn't really deserve their spot fooling around.

Seniority might be reasonable, as a safeguard. I still don't think we need to be so proactive about this though, as no problems have came up. Sure there's being prepared, but then there's taking it too far.

Ever since a year ago there's been "Abby" people and "Andy" people, and the divisions didn't stop there. Which is simply terrible, IMO. Kinda funny, your idea in the other thread I'm trying to tussle with you here almost sounds like it'd fit the situation—a senior mod with all the forums and sig editing powers. But given our low reserve of smods already…I think I'd rather just smod them, and feel a bit better about leaving PC for periods of time.

 

[aRedMoon]

I don?t like the idea either. But remember we used to post in a forum where they were the only ones who had any powers at all. And?we got along. I?d like the power, doubt I?ll get it though.

Yes, and as I recall, PC was of much spammer size at that point in time.

One point for your defense here might be if some mods starting doing subtle tweaks to user?s sigs. And in that case I really hope someone would speak up, and we could prosecute the mod who did it. Cause really, if they?re going to do that?I?m almost glad they did, shows they didn?t really deserve their spot fooling around.

Well, if I'm right, then I had a line in my sig removed tonight. Which is one reason I made this thread, because I can't narrow down the suspects anymore. >_>

Seniority might be reasonable, as a safeguard. I still don?t think we need to be so proactive about this though, as no problems have came up. Sure there?s being prepared, but then there?s taking it too far.

It's been there for what, 2 days? And you didn't even let members know about it, which is rather rude in itself. We have a right to know that our signatures are now able to be modified by mods.

Ever since a year ago there?s been ?Abby? people and ?Andy? people, and the divisions didn?t stop there. Which is simply terrible, IMO. Kinda funny, your idea in the other thread I?m trying to tussle with you here almost sounds like it?d fit the situation?a senior mod with all the forums and sig editing powers. But given our low reserve of smods already?I think I?d rather just smod them, and feel a bit better about leaving PC for periods of time.

Then why not SMod them? You have a handful of canidates, and as I recall, there was a somewhat general agreement on who would be next - that's what Dakota said.

And you shouldn't have to feel guilty about leaving - that's what the admins are supposed to be for. But we know how good *they* are.

 

[Geometric-sama]

"Abby" and "Andy" people? I didn't even know there was a rivalry between the two of you, and I'm glad I didn't know.

 

[aRedMoon]

"Abby" and "Andy" people? I didn't even know there was a rivalry between the two of you, and I'm glad I didn't know.

Yes, there are. Some people attach themselves to Abby, mainly newer members, while Andy hangs out with the older members.

Just how it's worked out.