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Wall it.
BellyZard is honestly major fail unless you have a really poorly-designed team. Bulky waters still wall it and Stealth Rocks and priority moves destroy it.
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Wall it.
BellyZard is honestly major fail unless you have a really poorly-designed team. Bulky waters still wall it and Stealth Rocks and priority moves destroy it.
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Except you can't switch out against Wobbuffet. Shadow Tag? Unless you Baton Pass, that is.
I don't like how this discussion is progressing, it looks like intimidation is defined as how hard it is to counter something, which is more like power or move set, so under our this pretenses a mixed uber will win out...
Inimidation should be defined as how scarry something is when it hits the field, or how fast you think, "What the heck is my counter!"
Inimidation should be defined as how scarry something is when it hits the field, or how fast you think, "What the heck is my counter!"
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Or use Shed Shell...
Anyway, for me, it's Bite Gyara; my old team was weak to it. Not sure of the counters to it, though, so I can't fix that. I can't fix it anyway since it was somehow deleted. o.O
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First of all, this is the most intimidating physical sweeper thread, not sweeper in general, so mixed are out of the picture. Being a mixed sweeper doesn't automatically mean you have less counters anyways. DD Gyarados has fewer counters than MixApe.
Honestly I don't get what you're saying though. It's basically "what physical sweeper do you fear the most." It's a pretty straightforward thing >_>
Adding Salamence to the conversation. Without SR everywhere Salamence would probably see even more usage. Its physical sets can be walled, but many of those pokemon won't want to switch in fearing a Specs or Life Orb Draco Meteor. This can but Salamence an ever-important extra turn of set-up. Salamence is easily one of the most diverse pokemon in the game (something that Garchomp and Gyarados cannot boast) and its defensive typing isn't exactly shabby.
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Since I thought of this sooner, might as well bring it up. I'm a sort of noob to all this (I hate competitive battling when it actually comes to doing it, but I love reading/discussing it), so someone can probably refute this easily.
Counter to Garchomp when it first comes out. Since it's going to use a turn to use SD, switch to Wobbuffet. Then immediately switch out to Milotic. Shadow Tag carries over to trap Garchomp, then survive whatever hit comes, and Ice Beam him to death. Pretty sure no one packs a Garchomp with Baton Pass...that is if it can even learn it in the first place.
Does that work?
Counter to Garchomp when it first comes out. Since it's going to use a turn to use SD, switch to Wobbuffet. Then immediately switch out to Milotic. Shadow Tag carries over to trap Garchomp, then survive whatever hit comes, and Ice Beam him to death. Pretty sure no one packs a Garchomp with Baton Pass...that is if it can even learn it in the first place.
Does that work?
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Um...SD Garchomp OHKO's or 2HKO's any Milotic.
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No.
It will switch out the proceeding turn you switch wobby out, as Shadow Tag is no longer in effect...
Also what has this got to do with the current topic ? Nothing. Simple Q+A thread next time please.
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There's also the possibility of it being CBChomp, or SubSD-Yache Chomp, which kinda screws over that strategy. Of course, the thing that screws it over the most is the whole 'Wobbuffet being Uber' thing.
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There's no specified tier so I'm going to take a wild stab in the dark and say you implied OU tier. That being said, you simply can't argue against Garchomp whatsoever, sure Gyarados and Lucario are potent threats, but don't even come close to the sheer game changing power Garchomp has right now.
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Agreed, Garchomp not only has the second most powerful EQ in the OU metagame (tied with Mamo and below Rhyperior) he also has an incredible stat distribution, coupled with a movepool that any dragon would envy. Sand Veil is just a slap to the face to his "counters" due to the possibility of their moves missing becomes more likely in the Sandstorm. Yache Berry lowers his most common weakness, anything that is not steel will not like taking SD or CB Outrage, making a 2HKO very likely on things like Vaporeon, Starmie, Deoxys-e, etc...
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It has plenty to do with the topic, because it's about a counter to Garchomp.
Also, according to Serebii, if Wobbuffet switches out, Shadow Tag is still in effect. That's the whole reason I brought it up.
Also, according to Serebii, if Wobbuffet switches out, Shadow Tag is still in effect. That's the whole reason I brought it up.
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Nope; the effect is removed after if it switches.
Anyway, since I didn't get to mention it before, the second most intimidating is probably Garchomp obviously. Sand Veil coupled with two powerful STAB moves and little counters = kthxbai. SD + LO = gg OU metagame.
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Um no. Cresselia can stand up to the ever-powerful SD LO Outrage and OHKO it with Ice Beam. There are walls that can stand up to its power in OUs for sure. The problematic Garchomp is the Yachechomp with Outrage. Every other set has counters.
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Right. I retract my previous statement, then. ;) Regardless, Garchomp is still something to fear if you're not prepared for it, especially the one you mentioned in particular; Yache Berry Garchomp.
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F U airconditioning. You stole my "Intimidate" line. I wanted to use that so badly. F U 2, Dark Azelf, you suggested Bulky Gya on my team. *sabatoge!* *sabatoge!*.
Still, BulkyGya isn't meant to be on offense, he's meant for defense.
I would have to give it up to Tyranitar as the most intimidating sweeper award, Garchomp comes in a close second. It shows up at the most inapropriate times, causes damage, starts up a damn sandstorm, ruins my merchandise that took me 5 HOURS to organize, then leaves. Garchomp is nearly the same. I have the resources to take it out, but it always comes at the worst possible moments.
Still, BulkyGya isn't meant to be on offense, he's meant for defense.
I would have to give it up to Tyranitar as the most intimidating sweeper award, Garchomp comes in a close second. It shows up at the most inapropriate times, causes damage, starts up a damn sandstorm, ruins my merchandise that took me 5 HOURS to organize, then leaves. Garchomp is nearly the same. I have the resources to take it out, but it always comes at the worst possible moments.
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You know what else is a counter to Garchomp? Lugia. But we're not talking about Lugia. I wonder why?
Also, Shadow Tag is only in effect for the turn that Wobbuffet switches (I think).
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One question; does Choice Scarf set outspeed? Only set that has Ice Beam. Not that you'll be using Ice Beam when you have Outrage for the Yache Berry set if it does outspeed. =P
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